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QUENTIN SAID

ames 5:13-16...
13 Is any among you afflicted? Let him pray.
Is any merry? Let him sing pslams.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for
the elders of the church; and let them pray
over him, anointing him with oil in the
name of the Lord;
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the
sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess YOUR faults one to another, and pray one
for another, that ye may be healed.
The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man
availeth much.

Since time out of mind Olive Oil has been used to anoint. Kings, afflicted ones, along with herbs medicinal as well...
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Vinegar tasts better in freedom
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How can you unterstand a thing unless you know it?
How can you know a thing unless you understand it?

CHARIKLO SAID

Yes, Quentin, thanks, you said it for me.

I should have said last night, olive oil is the oil to use, and any herbal oil is going to be based on that. But, thinking about it, in extremis just whatever you can get hold of with, especially, your own faith and prayers, and even if it feels to you like your own faith isn't enough, just remember that The Lord knows, and His Spirit will do the rest.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you too.

Chariklo

AGUEST SAID

I can just imaging the... well, let's just say "some others"... gasping in horror, eyes bugging out... over this thread - LOLOLOL! (Peace to you folksl!). No doubt, it's being discussed elsewhere (SA winks and waves at our... ummmmm... dear "friend" - Hola, folks!). Ah, well, faith is not the possession of all men. And some say that any PR is good PR. We'll take that!

Good morning and peace to all of you dear ones! I am very glad to see that there ARE others of faith, even in this regard. Contrary to the very false teaching of the WTBTS (goodness, what DO they have right??)... Paul never said the gifts would cease... but only that their PARTIALITY would cease. Because the gifts we have NOW... which began during his day with his disciples and then increased from the outpouring of Pentecost until THIS day... are partial. For instance, even if one who has the gift to do so heals another... even perhaps resurrect one (as Paul did Eutychus) , that other will still be sick (perhaps with the same malady later, or another now) and/or die. Because what WE can do IS only partial... not complete!

But as he also said, when that which is COMPLETE arrives, THEN that which is partial will be done away with! Why? Because that which is complete... Christ... can heal, speak, prophesy, interpret, resurrect, and what have you... COMPLETELY! For now, then, since we only have a TOKEN of his promise, holy spirit, WE can only possess gifts that allow a partial fulfillment. THEN, however... by means of him... he whose flesh... whose "LEAVES" are for the CURING of the nations... will restore COMPLETELY.

So... glad to know that faith IS still in the earth, right now. So "refreshing."

Of course, I don't believe anyone here is suggesting ANYONE forego seeing a trained physician when they are ill and need to (I certainly am not), but that perhaps this is the step they wish to take when "all else" seems to have failed... and hope is diminishing. Please, if you need medical care... see a doctor and get it. If, however, you've done that... faith in God and HIS gifts, which are received from and by means of His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... MIGHT be an option for you. Maybe... maybe not. If you have faith... I would offer that it is. Only YOU know... and can make that decision, though.

But thank YOU, dear ones, for helping out here!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

Oh my goodness, yes of course, see a doctor!

Everything I said assumes that as a given!

Thanks, Shelby, for that important caveat! But as to anyone looking in, this healing power of anointing with prayer is something fairly widespread and familiar to many, I think. It's just that the poor people ensnared by WT teachings have that way barred to them.

Prayer can move mountains! ( er....not meant to be taken literally!)

LOZ SAID

Well, wow, I've never heard of this being done literally in our day, yes the prayer but not with oil. But hey, it's there in scripture and sounds good to me! I can imagine it would be very soothing too.

Loz x
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Don't let anyone put you down, and don't do it to yourself.

CHARIKLO SAID

It's general, and frequent practice in the R.C. Church, Loz. I don't know for sure about other churches, but I think so in the Anglican Church and also in some others.

LOZ SAID

Well, I hope it helps Voices mother in law.

Loz x
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CHARIKLO SAID

To my direct knowledge and experience with myself as others, prayer for healing of this nature always, always brings about healing in one form or another.

One of my friends has a very intelligent and healthy daughter in her mid-twenties, who when thirteen months old had a tumour on her kidney, well advanced when discovered. She received this anointing with oil and prayer, in hospital, with the doctors saying it was a matter of hours. (Thus, I took it as obvious that all medical assistance would be sought as well.)

She started to get better straight afterwards.

In my own family I have seen recovery begin straight after the anointing.

I too have received it, once when very seriously I'll in hospital, some 22 years ago, and on other occasions, maybe two or three, when I was ill but not as ill as that. I can attest to the immense feeling of peace that swept over me on each occasion.

Healing comes in many forms, not always with the beginnings of obvious physical recovery, but with a lessenjng of pain, bringing of peace or end of worrying and distress.

There's no need for anyone looking in to have eyes "bugging out" or "gasping in horror"! Hospitals are very familiar with this practice, and I'm as certain as certain can be that this will be just as much so in the US as it is in the UK!

AGUEST SAID

I think hospitals and doctors ARE familiar, dear Char (peace to you!), but god-forbid anyone openly profess it. Can't have the "rational" world knowing one beliefs in anything beyond the physical. Maybe another dear one will share his experience with it (wink, wink). I believe he shared another but not the one I'm thinking of. His choice, though, of course, really.

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

That's interesting.

Maybe it's where I live or the circles I live in but I think a substantial section of the public here do have a belief in this. I won't say a majority, because I don't know that and wouldn't be able to back it up with stats, but a sizeable minority at least.

LOZ SAID

Interesting. I wouldn't be comfortable with it personally. I prefer to go direct to Jah through His son, but perhaps that's just me.

Loz x
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CHARIKLO SAID

That's good!

Such prayers are always, always to the Father through the Son. Without exception.

LOZ SAID

Ah, so is this just done when people aren't able to pray for themselves?

Loz x
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CHARIKLO SAID

No, though sometimes, yes.

I think most people here pray for others, just as others pray for them, don't they? It's customary.

Do you object to this anointing of the sick, Loz? It's not a pretence of an instant cure. Far from it. It's merely a grace afforded us, and always brings a blessing, and strengthening in one form or another, though as I say, one shouldn't expect an instant healing, even though that can happen.

It is a wonderful gift given us by God, but of course would never ever be suggested or imposed in any way where it was not wanted, and is just private, not a public display. In a hospital, you'd almost certainly merely see curtains round the bed.

Is there a problem? If so, I'll have to consider it in the morning, as it's past midnight here now! I can't think why there should be, though.

LOZ SAID

No, no problem at all. I was just asking. I had heard about this but didn't recognise this terminology, I vaguely recall what you're describing as being called "unction" or "holy unction" ? Is that the same thing? Although I somehow thought it was used as a comfort for the dying, so I could have gotten mixed up.

The privilege of prayer is indeed a wonderful gift I agree, and a way to show love for each other too.
As verse 16 of James 5 says:
The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

Loz x (who should be asleep at this silly o'clock!)
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