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AGUEST SAID

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:04 pm Post subject:
I love youse guys!!



Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

ZOE SAID

Chariklo, I understand how much your church celebrations must have enhanced your feelings of spirituality and closeness to Christ. I envy you that and see how having the visuals and rituals can help keep things alive and always in your mind. I get goose bumps when I see and hear church services and all the traditions and singing.

I still am floundering myself and trying to find what you all have found.
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*ZOE*

CHARIKLO SAID

Zoe, I am very fortunate. Just as you grew up in a JW family, I grew up in a church family.

One of the many big differences between the two is that, again as I understand it, largely from the JW's I know and from JWN, the JW's are very very restrictive.

Growing up in a churchgoing family...not a PASSIONATELY church-going family, just relaxed and ordinary, was happy. Everyone was free. No pressures. No restrictions, really.

I was lucky, too. We were a thinking, educated family. I was an early reader and could read anything, but I also had a lot of little books about Bible stories. I remember my favourite story was the healing of Jairus's daughter. And I loved a picture of Jesus with the children on his knee. I thought of him as my Friend...we sang a children's hymn about him being a Friend for little children, a Friend who would never fail, whose love would never die, and that's how I saw him. I used to talk to him all the time.

So, that's my background, really. Obviously, as one grows one's thinking matures, but that is how it has always been for me. The Jehovah's Witnesses couldn't destroy it. They tried. They did their best to make me feel ignorant and stupid.

I don't know what might suit you, Zoe. Maybe you could try going along to different churches and see what speaks to you. If any of it does. See if there's somewhere that feels like home. For me, when I walk into a Catholic Church I am aware of God's presence. Tangible. It's beautiful. The building might be beautiful or ugly, but God is always beautiful. That's how it is for me.

Others here of course are different and see things differently.

OUTLAW SAID

So this is "Happy Jesus has Risen Day"..?......Easter..
I never knew that..

I only knew about WBT$ "Ignore Jesus Day"
Where you wait until memorial is over and celebrate,by drinking the memorial wine.
Looking at what I`ve written..
WBT$ Memorial is more like "Insult Jesus Day"..

If the WBT$ celebrated Easter..
Easter eggs would be used to Throw at Jesus..LOL!!..

The WBT$ is an AntiChrist Organization....."EVIL"..
We should all be grateful we escaped..
There should be a..
"Grateful we Escaped Evil Day"..

.......................................OUTLAW

CHARIKLO SAID

Outlaw, that is so very sad.

Easter Day is the most important day of the year, really. The day that Christ rose from the dead. He conquered death and by his doing so we can all live.

As a grandma, I have been giving chocolate eggs to my grandchildren. They love having the eggs and the ceramic cheap cup that goes with them....Tinkerbell for the girls and Super Mario for the boys, LOL! But along with that they all know Jesus and they all know about Easter and why we celebrate it. They all know about Good Friday.

I feel so sad for all the little Jehovah's Witness children who have to keep separate.

OUTLAW SAID

Good Afternoon Chariklo!..

Yes it is sad..
Now that I know what Easter is about..
It`s one more nail in the WBT$ AntiChrist Coffin..
Why wouldn`t a Christian celebrate it?..

We were taught it was just one more evil pagan celebration..
A fertility celebration mixed in with a religious celebration..
The WBT$ left out the Jesus part and focused on Bunny`s..
Bunny's were having Sex!!..OMG!!..
LOL!!..
Now I find out it`s the day people believe Jesus rose from the Dead?!..
WTF!!..LOL!!..

I come from a very "Messed Up" WBT$ World..

........................................OUTLAW

OUTLAW SAID

In WatchTower World..

During Easter..
False Christians Celebrate..
"Bunny`s can`t Keep their Pants On Day"
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OUTLAW SAID

I found something interesting for the Believers here..

This is the link to the site:

https://www.anointedjw.org/Memorial_Exp ... _2013.html

This is what I found there..

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We invite all who participated in the commemoration of the 2013 Memorial Supper to share their experiences of the night for the encouragement of all who recognize their sonship with God and the one living hope – sons worldwide and from all denominations.

Please include information on where you held your Supper, how it was conducted, how many participated, what city/state/country you are located in, and any encouraging experiences. All such experiences will be published here, with the permission of the contributors.

Our goal is to eventually get the entire world of Christianity, and even the entire planet, to recognize and honor our Creator Son of God who materialized in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. (Colossians 1:15-16)

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[These experiences are posted with the most recent at the top.]


March 30, 2013 - From Germany

Hi Sisters & Brothers, for the first time in our lives we were partakers. It felt great and right. We didn't go to a kingdom hall but were five persons at home and hopefully Jesus among us. Greetings from Germany.

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March 30, 2013 - From Atlantida, Uruguay

Dear brothers, maybe my experience at Memorial is not the most cheerful, as it shows the other side of the coin. Upon passing the emblems, the ushers were ordered to skip me. In fact what happened, they took the bread of the person who was to my left and gave it to the person on my right. They did the same with the wine. When the elders and ministerial servants met previously to make arrangements for this day, this procedure was determined, with the exception of one of the elders present who warned them that this was not the correct procedure. Actually it does not matter. My relationship with Jesus is not with them. But I think it is important to emphasize this experience given the reluctance of many to the heavenly calling. It is hoped that similar experiences can be avoided in different parts of the world. Is it possible that a group of men, however sincere they may be, can shut the heavens, brothers? No. I do not think it possible. Did it change something in my relationship with God? No. No change at all. Is it possible that the Earth has a group of men to help find his brothers a better hope? Yes this I think. Did it change something that my relationship with God? Yes, a lot. Thank you very much to God and to you.

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March 29, 2013 - From California, USA

Dear Fellow anointed ones. Six new sons of God, in a private home, participated of the bread and wine to honor the Father and the Christ for giving us a living hope. We rejoice in this wonderful new spiritual life and ask you to continue to help us all to stay strong. Thank you for all you have done for us. May the Christ continue to strengthen you to his service in the gathering of the “things on the earth” that belong to him.

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March 28, 2013 - From California, USA

Hello fellow Faith Sons, I could not be anymore proud of the love and hard work you wonderful folks do. It was so encouraging to have just with our congregation 16 new partakers along with the 11 already with the hope. So now the real work begins for us, we want to increase the masters belongings for next year. So thank you once again for providing some great food. God be with the spirit you show.

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March 27, 2013 - From Mexico

Hey my Brothers, we did it! All 168 of us partook at a local Kingdom Hall. We overflowed the building but we did it and we were not leaving until we were served. Thank you faithful sons for guidling me and my family to see real plain truth.

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March 27, 2013 - From London, UK

I feel always encouraged from your articles. I felt always heavenly from my youth but didn’t understand that why. But from 2008, I was pretty sure I am one who Our Heavenly Father Jehovah and Our Lord Jesus has called. I recently came back home from USA where last year for the first time, I displayed I belong to Jesus and His Messianic Heavenly Kingdom. This year was more easy and calm not to nervous as last year. I feel so much holy spirit inside me. May we all Christ brothers and sisters meet soon in Heaven.

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March 27, 2013 - From California, USA

Hello brothers! I just wanna let you know how it went last night. I attend a Spanish congregation. I have been partaking for 8 years now. I have had always the privilege of doing the prayer for the bread or the wine. This year the brothers didn't give me that privilege. I sat in the middle of the kingdom hall and many saw me partaking. I was still the only one partaking. I'm sure many will wake up to the only Christian hope, to be with Christ in heaven. Thank you so much for the articles. Reading them prepared me for that night. Love you all brothers and sisters.

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March 27, 2013 - From Nevada, USA

Well, well, well. How about 345 and one Circuit Overseer! That’s right dear friends, it was amazing. Three bottles of wine used up. It was the best ever. We stayed at the Kingdom Hall til 10:30 sharing stories of faith and our plans for the future. Oh yes friends, we are preparing for next year. We love you friends.

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March 27, 2013 - From Illinois, USA

It’s a wonderful day to be alive, and we all want to thank you friends for the relentless encouragement to do the right thing. So 12 new sons partook at the Kingdom Hall and after that memorial, 11 partook at my home. It was twice as good because of your articles. And now everybody is calling asking what’s going on, so more will hear the message. I don’t think anyone has been to bed yet. We are aglow with the spirit. Father be with you fine Faithful Stewards.

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March 27, 2013 - From Texas, USA

Greetings Friends, what a night to remember. All 54 of us, both family and friends, partaking together in honor of our Christ. We laughed and cried as one united family and more want to get together in 2 months because several friends were not able to make it. But I can tell you this, it was the best Memorial ever. We used the Jesus in Our Midst and Remembrance articles and we have you wonderful folks also to thank for caring about your brothers and sisters as you do. God be with you and us. Let’s keep growing.

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March 27, 2013 - From Florida, USA

Hey brothers, I just want you to know how enlightened I feel after reading the articles you suggested. I’m starting to really take hold of the true calling. And as I sat at the Memorial last night, I felt uneasy, nervous, maybe in hopes that they’d finally announce that all could partake... But, of course, as the night wore on, I noticed the earthly "hope" was read from the Old Testament, and the elder read from the Watchtower outline of why there are two hopes and not one (without going into the Bible). And as I watched the bread and wine get passed, I felt, not anger, nor resentment, but lifeless.... And I felt grief and remorse for our brotherhood at how easily we are ensnared to turn back to the Old things and the Law. It was then I realized the truth of it. The words I’ve read from God’s word and the way your articles tied in truth, within context of scripture and not going beyond what is written, began to resonate, to breathe within me. And as they passed the emblems, I prayed to our Father asked that he forgive me for not partaking and to give me peace, humility, and strength. I now feel, brothers, an upward pull. Not physical, but spiritual, a groaning within me, a hunger that’s been there all along. I thank you brothers for helping plant the seed of truth so God can make it grow.

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March 26, 2013 - From Massachusetts, USA

Hello dear friends. Sorry for my English, it isn't my first language, but I want to share my experience with you. Today for the first time in my life, I partook of the emblems in the presence of a full conference room in a hotel. I must confess that at first I felt the fear of man, and I say fear of man because within myself something impelled me to participate. I prayed to my Heavenly Father for Holy Spirit and had the courage to do it before the eyes from some of astonishment and others displeasure, as was the case of the congregation coordinating elder. After partaking, all the fear disappeared and I felt filled with a feeling of indescribable peace. No fear, just joy and peace and more to see that my wife also partook. My 20 year old daughter did not partake, but my parents, who are living in Puerto Rico and are Jehovah’s Witnesses too, they asked us to have the Commemoration via telephone after I reach my home so they can partake. Then my daughter and my brother-in-law partook. I am very happy and I know that many of those who did not partake in the Kingdom Halls tonight have done so at home and that's excellent. Soon they will be ready to make public declaration from our union with Christ. Blessings to all.

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March 26, 2013 - From Colorado, USA

[This is from the men at a recovery mission who were hoping to attract 300 partakers from the men in the local missions and their families. As sundown approached, their facilities were overflowing, so they decided to see if they could use the facilities of some of the surrounding missions so that all could share in the evening.]

Hello family, we got it together by God's grace. We were able to get to other missions to help with the overflow of Christ lovers and it looks like it will be closer to 950 when its all said and done. We are on cloud 50! Well I’ve got tons of stuff to do. We love you both so much.

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March 26, 2013 - From California, USA

Greeting fellow partakers of all things heavenly, I’m sorry but I couldn’t wait for tonight to partake because of treatment. So me and 10 others I’ve helped to get on the road to the real life were going to read your articles, each one, and I thank the Father for you all, from the bottom of my getting-stronger heart. It’s because of someone being Christ-Like that I, and now others, are becoming part of Christ's body. And to the author of the articles, God is with you big time. Keep us in your prayers please. God bless.

[This sister was diagnosed with terminal cancer and on death watch prior to receiving the plain and open teachings of Jesus Christ. Her spirits were immediately lifted, but still she did not believe she would live long enough to commemorate the 2013 Memorial Supper. Yet, here she is! And not just her, but she brought along 10 others!]

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JOCHY SAID

Yes, I sent them my experience. I have been Reading them for a while.

AGUEST SAID

THANK you for this, dear, dear Sher'f... and I recognized your experience, dear Jochy (peace to you, both!). This site (AnointedJWs.org) is run by the sister who went with me to Bethel and spoke with Carey Barber in 1996! I am SO happy for her... and what her site has accomplished!!!!! We are taking different tacks, she and I, but our love for each other remains... AND... we BOTH only want to see ALL those who have faith in Christ EAT and DRINK from the Tree of Life and Rock Mass that HE is!!

The accounts here brought me to TEARS!!! I am humbled by the results of her work... and I hope JAH continues to bless her and those who "hear". Of course, I pray for the day when those who DO hear her message... and Christ's voice... see the benefit in getting OUT of her, but I've not doubt they will... even if it's only in the nick of time!

GODSPEED to you, dear sister... and may JAH continue to bless your work. Because, no matter WHAT... it is as our dear Lord said:

"UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have NO life in yourselves."

HE will resurrect those who are in union with him... and by means of HIM those who do will live... FOREVER!

I am OVERJOYED at the number of folks who have heard the call. Now, may they ALL hear... and QUIT touching the "unclean" thing, so as to be taken in as sons and daughters. For it is not simply the eating and drinking that gets us there, but doing the WILL of God and Christ that does!

May those with ears to hear, hear... and get the sense of these truths. May those who have heard the Spirit and Bride call them to "Come!" ALSO hear... and put themselves in line to TAKE 'life's water"! FREE!

I am overjoyed at this great news! Praise JAH, you people! Let every living, breathing thing... let it praise JAH!

Peace... as our Lord gives it... to you ALL!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and all who go with... and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

CHARIKLO SAID

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:11 am Post subject:
I do understand that this matter is deeply important to JW's and ex JW's.

Still, though, this whole concept of the anointed is utterly foreign to me and I believe to the vast majority of Christians all over the world. Whilst I am glad that those who feel themselves to be anointed are happy to feel united with Christ, the whole concept of being anointed feels extraordinary. Elitist.

There isn't a group who are anointed and a majority who are not. Christ died to save us all. That's the whole message of Easter.

Shortly after I came to this site I was asked, not by aGuest or the Admin, if I was one of the anointed. I realised instantly that some still feel this division, as if humanity is divided between the spiritual haves and have nots. I very nearly decided then and there that I ought not to be here, but everything else about the posts here was not like that.

Still, this whole idea of there being a group who are anointed and a group who are not, a concept inherent in that early question to me, is identifiably and exclusively JW.

It just seems to me that ex JW's, many of whom have suffered so much at the hands of the WT, won't be truly free of it until they can realise that this whole divisive terminology is flawed. There isn't a special group.

Christ calls us all. He is here for everyone, every single person. We all belong to Him.

TEC SAID


I heard about them, the anointed jws, from jwn... that they sent letters and such. But I didn't realize they went to the Memorials to partake. I saw your account in there too, Jochy

They give a great witness to Christ in partaking. I read through some of their website, and felt sad that they seemed to want to remain and fix things (cannot pour new wine into old wineskins)... but many people do start by trying to fix things, and then come out. Some fast, some not so fast. I am glad to see the amazing witness that they give in partaking though, and then in allowing others to share their experiences as well.

I remember you speaking of the woman who went to Bethel with you, Shelby. That is pretty amazing For some reason, I always thought that was Justmom.


Char, I will try to explain as I understand.

Anointed itself is not a foreign term. Being anointed means being anointed with holy spirit... sealed in Christ... so this in itself should not be foreign.

(But to the jw it is purely about a heavenly calling vs. an earthly calling, though... right? So it is that purely earthly hope that is foreign.)

ALL Christians are anointed. However, not all who call themselves Christian truly ARE christian, and therefore not all who call themselves christian, are anointed with holy spirit and sealed in Christ. (lord, lord, did we not prophecy, etc, in your name... and He will say to them, away from me you evildoers, I never knew you)

Christ did come for all men... and He does speak and call all... but not all men answer that call, and not all men belong to Him. (many are called, few are chosen) Some prove by their deeds and words that they belong to another spirit.

But you are quite correct... there is no divisive class among those who belong to Him; among Christians. The 144 000 are not elite and above the great crowd that no one can number. These are both given white robes, and so the two have been made one... in Christ.

Peace to you,
tammy

AGUEST SAID


It is to the vast majority who CALL themselves "christian," dear Char (good morning, and peace to you!). But as dear tec (peace, chile'!) pointing out, calling oneself something doesn't necessarily make oneself something.

The word "christian" actually MEANS "anointed person." Well, it means "chosen" person, but persons are chosen by MEANS of an anointing... with holy spirit, the "oil of exultation." To MANIFEST that anointing/choosing (so as to be able to give EVIDENCE of it to others), one who is so chosen is granted one or more "gifts" of that spirit.

Which is why I always found it curious that (1) the WTBTS would make it a big deal to say one couldn't "say" who was/was not anointed (the first century brothers certainly knew who was and who wasn't)... NOT because it was inappropriate (it is) but because they don't believe in the gifts!... and (2) those who so profess not only cannot show "evidence" of it, but can't even describe their choosing. Heck, they can't even TALK about it... it being the ONE thing about themselves they SHOULD share with others, in the hopes of helping others know what is being held out to THEM!

I am...mmmm... intrigued... that you DON'T know of this, the free gift of holy spirit by means of the anointing. Because THAT was the GOOD news that was spread by the early church: that by means of the blood of Christ, which was poured out in behalf of the WORLD, ANYONE could come to him so as to receive holy spirit... and thus become "Israel" by means of a God's MERCY... and thus, part of the CHOSEN holy nation. That something that was previously closed OFF to anyone EXCEPT those of Israel... was now OPENED to ANYONE who exercised faith in Christ. That by means of this choosing and anointing, ANYONE... and NOT just the people of Israel... could be "adopted" by God, by receiving HIS blood, holy spirit, and thus become HIS son.

THAT... is the GOOD news... of the kingdom... which news was preached in Judea and Samaria in the early days... and throughout the entire earth ever since. Well, now wait... it was the good news the Body was SUPPOSED to preach to others. And it still IS, for those truly OF the Body (of Christ).

But many false christs (false anointed), false prophets, imposters, hypocrites, and worse have risen from within that Body... and adulterated the message, starting with the death of the last Apostle. Those acted as a restraint early on - if a teaching was questionable, it was taken to them and clarification sought. After the death of the last one, however, well... folks started teaching whatever they wanted, based on their OWN understanding. I could give you a plethora of examples, but I don't want to offend you, so I will leave it.

Whilst I am glad that those who feel themselves to be anointed are happy to feel united with Christ, the whole concept of being anointed feels extraordinary. Elitist.

Dear one, that was the problem from the time my Lord arrived in the flesh: the Jews considered THEMSELVES the "chosen". Now, here comes this guy saying, "Well, you are but not because YOU are anything but because you're Abraham's seed. But you have profaned the faith of Abraham. So, I am going to offer an every greater reward than the resurrection promised Abraham: I am going to offer some a place in my kingdom, to rule WITH me. Starting with a FEW of you, but not ALL of you. For the rest of you, I am going to offer places to people of the nations!"

As you can guess, that didn't sit well with the Jews! So they wanted to know, "Who is THIS guy? How dare he speak to us this way and say we aren't worthy?? And some say he's the son of GOD?? WE ARE ABRAHAM'S seed... and sons of the inheritance! And so HE has got to GO!"

Quote:
There isn't a group who are anointed and a majority who are not. Christ died to save us all. That's the whole message of Easter.


Christ died to save all of the world... who come OUT of the world... and belong to him, dear one. Which, unfortunately, is NOT all of those who simply call themselves "christians." As my Lord said, "Why do you call me Lord, yet do not do the things I SAY?"



I would never have asked you or any that question, dear one. Because there is a way to KNOW, WITHOUT asking: Christ himself... the "gifts" manifested by and the "fruits" of such a person. Because of these things, no one should NEED to ask another. Also, that one is not YET, does not mean one never will be. As well as, that one professes to BE, does not mean one IS.

Q
This only partially true. True, only the JWs make this particular distinction. But that is the purpose of their existence: to shut up the kingdom before men by creating a divide on the basis of the hope. Other denominations make divisive distinctions as well, though, just not on the same basis. For example, clergy vs. laity. Where in the WORLD did THAT come from? Christ didn't teach it. The Apostles didn't teach it. Paul tried to but got taken to task and so rescinded his attempts to teach it, finally stating that "there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor freeman." In other words, as CHRIST taught, "Let NO ONE be called leader among you, for you are ALL brothers. But the GREATEST one among you must be your SERVANT."

So... where did it come from, this division, on whatever basis? It came from WITHIN the Body... from folks like those my Lord mentioned in his letters to the spirits of the "seven" congregations.



Well, that's easier said than done, dear one, due to the deep and insidious indoctrination of the WTBTS. But that's one of the reasons WE are here and WHY we encourage ALL to partake: to END that division. So long as one group believes the LIE that they should NOT partake, the Christ REMAINS "divided."

Q
Sorry, but THAT I have to disagree with, luv. MANY (but not all) are called/invited... but FEW (and not all of the many) are chosen. Matthew 22:14 I hate to be the one to break that truth to you, but it is the truth.

I hope this... clarifies, truly.

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

CHARIKLO SAID

You and I see things very differently, Shelby. I don't for one minute think that either of us is going to change the mind of the other, and I have far more respect for you than to even try!

I just wanted to say, particularly to Tammy, that the thought that our understanding of anointing and the Spirit are the same is very mistaken.

Actually, I just spent ages writing out a very long and detailed post. I think you and I, Shelby, were attempting to post at exactly the same time, both about the same length! I doubt if there were seconds between us, looking at the timing of your post, and I think the database suffered a meltdown! LOL! I just got database error messages!

I'm not going to write it all out again. I think much of it has been discussed before, anyway, but if anyone's interested, try and look back and find the thread where Hellpuppy mentioned, and I agreed with him, the use of the term "anointed in the Spirit" as understood in phenomena like theToronto Blessing.

The understanding behind that early question to me, was I anointed, revealed a great chasm between us.

Shelby, the term Christian means follower of Christ. I dealt with some of what you wrote in my long post that broke the database, but much of it has been said before. Anointing is a term used by very many people, and billions of Christians are familiar with it in healing, in ordination, in confirmation, as part of the baptism ceremony, and in other ways. We know the oil of chrism and the oil of the catechumens.

I know you wouldn't have asked me that question that was asked me in the early days, Shelby. Your understanding is much, much deeper than that.

In detail, you and I will differ. In essence, though, I think not so very much.

CHARIKLO SAID

Sorry, I meant to include this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing