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JOCHY SAID

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:19 am Post subject: To partake or not partake...
I know this topic has been discussed elsewhere, but I would like to consider it again. For JWs the issue of the commemoration of the death of Christ has become a matter of who have heavenly life hope and those with earthly life hope.

My understanding at this point IMHO is that the partaking of the bread and wine should not be a matter of someone having the heavenly hope or not, but rather to accept and recognize that only through the sacrifice of Jesus we obtain forgiveness of our sins and thus eternal life, regardless whether in heaven or earth. What do you think? Who should partake?

TEC SAID

You are right that it has nothing to do with heavenly or earthly hope. Anyone who wants to accept the gift of life, and to be part of Christ, should partake... because He asks us to do so. The invitation and the gift of life is for anyone who wants it.

We are saying 'yes' to Christ, rather than passing him by, by partaking. We are exercising faith in Him, by doing as He has asked us.

Peace to you,
tammy

JOCHY SAID

Thanks Tammy. Today I heard phone conference from Bible Students, but they are so similar to Jws in this matter. I can't imagine our Lord Jesus Christ Judging us adversely for partake if any have no heavenly hope.

JUSTMOM SAID

Dear Jochy

Ditto what Tammy said...

John 6 tells us ANYONE can eat of is flesh and drink his blood.
Remember the Old Testament example of Moses and the Israelites when they fled Egypt and crossed over into the wilderness and wandered there for 40 years.

Jah provided manna and water from the rock mass . And he told us this represented CHRIST.

It was he who sustained them. Every Israelite, man woman and child, although they were not priests ate the manna and drank from the rock mass. Even the vast mixed company of Egyptians who were not Israelites ate the manna and drank form the rock mass.
Then later they ALL entered into the law covenant as one people under Jah with Moses as their mediator.
That same example corresponds with the Invitation today but with CHRIST and the new covenant promise.

Today it is the same open covenant. ANYONE can enter into this NEW covenant under Jah with CHRIST as mediator.

Just a thought
Love Justmom

JOCHY SAID

Thanks for your comment "justmom". If Christ had not made ​​available that loving provision for "anyone" and was only for a select group, he would have stated clearly.

JUSTMOM SAID

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:31 am Post subject:
Jochy

Exactly. But this is just one HUGE way the WTBS is responsible for " shutting up the kingdom" that CHRIST says is open to all not just 144,000.
They deny its members access into an open covenant that our lord suffered and died for us to be able to HAVE. ...

Then have the nerve to say that salvation will come only through them and identifying yourself only with THEIR faithful and discreet slave and its spirit- directed organization.

They expect you to pass over the emblems every year. If you even want to and feel you should partake they will talk you out of it.
It is not true that they say " IT IS A PERSONAL DECISION". We all know how you are viewed if you do or tried to partake.

It is the ONLY so-called Christian religion that makes anyone who wants to come into union by taking communion feel that it is almost blasphemy if you do partake.

Just a thought
Love justmom

PTERIST SAID

Hi jochy

You nailed it. Regardless of our "position" in Christ we all need his Erernal Life that he died to give us working in us NOW in this life to overcome our Adamic fleshly nature of sin and death. As he said, without us being joined to him as the vine we can do NOTHING ! John15:5

Two young JW came knocking on my door yesterday with an invite to the memorial. I asked them nicely, why would I go to that, to see the representation of Christ's life been rejected by everyone ? It's like been invited to a party and not being allowed eat or drink anything. Of course they mentioned the 2 hopes, and referred to the other sheep in JOHN, which I countered as being Gentiles as opposed to Jews, and ALL would be one flock and one Shepard. John 10:16
Happy Passover ! shabbat shalom !
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JOCHY SAID

Thanks pterist, it's really encouraging to see that many other Christians feel the same way about the commemoration of the death of our Savior. During my entire life I felt compelled to participate, but I thought there was something wrong with me and that was only for those who were to go to Heaven to reign with Christ. Last year I missed for the first time in my life to a commemoration of the JWs and I celebrated with my wife in my home. It was a great thing. I felt that for the first time in my life I was giving the true value of this celebration, I was accepting the sacrifice of Christ for the remission of sins and so was proclaiming his death.

I do not think the occasion is to make a difference between a group of Christians and others, but the recognition that only through Christ that we can have life. My hope for the future is to be in the presence of our loving Heavenly Father and the presence of our Savior Jesus Christ, wherever they go to be and perform the functions to which they assigned me, whatever they might be.

AGUEST SIAD

ALL of your comments are accurate, praise JAH (good morning and peace to you ALL!). What JWs in general utterly disregard, regardless of whatever hope they profess (although there is only ONE hope - Ephesians 4:4), dear brother Jochy, is my Lord's words that:

"UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son AND drink his blood you have NO life within yourselves." John 6:51-53

Say, what? But doesn't the WTBTS teach that those of their "great crowd".... "have life within themselves"??? They do! From where, though, do such ones GET such life? Christ is the ONLY Life (John 14:6)... so from where are these GETTING theirs?

Christ said that if one ate HIS flesh and drank HIS blood that (1) HE would resurrect them (which means they would be resurrected to LIFE... NOT to judgment)... AND (2) that such one would "live forever." The WTBTS teaches, however, that certain folks can live forever... WITHOUT eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ! HOW??!!! HOW are they to be resurrected to life WITHOUT him? How are they to live forever... WITHOUT him?

This is why I attend the WTBTS Memorial each year: to set the example, SHOW those poor folks... ANY whose hearts are inclined... what they MUST DO... in order to (1) be resurrected by CHRIST, so as to (2) live... FOREVER. If they never SEE it being done... and many never have... or never see it by someone who's not a banana peel shy of the grave... HOW will they know what THEY should do?

ALL ate the manna and drank from the rock-mass that is Christ (1 Corinthians 10:1-5). Israel... AND the vast mixed company that accompanied them. Men, women... AND children!

Christ is the true manna... the bread from heaven. Not only should ALL eat and drink from him... but "as often" as Israel did. Because "as often" as we DO... we KEEP declaring his death... AND ITS REDEEMING PURPOSE AND QUALITY... until he returns.

Sorry, dear ones: this topic REALLY brings out the passion and zeal in me! My apologies if I seem... mmmmmm... overboard... but I truly cannot help it! As dear 'Mom (peace!) stated, they are using their VERY false teaching on this matter to SHUT UP the kingdom of the heavens before men... and women... and children.

Peace, truly.

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

JOCHY SAID


Thanks for your encouraging words, my dear friend Shelby. I've been thinking and I'll ask my wife if we should make an appearance and confess union with Christ before men as He says in Matthew 10:32-33>32“Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens; 33but whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens.

AGUEST SAID

BINGO, dear Jochy (again, peace to you and your household)!! I realize that some prefer doing this at home, in the privacy, safety... and comfort.. of their own homes. Since it is our "daily" bread, though, there is ample opportunity for that. One day a year, however, we get to declare BEFORE MEN... our union with, loyalty to, and faith in Christ... who WE say we love "more than father, mother," etc.

True, excluding one (Lazarus), the apostles all scattered and hid themselves after our dear Lord, the Lamb, was "slaughtered." But once he began dispensing holy spirit we were supposed to be DONE with hiding our lamps under baskets! We were... and are... supposed to set them OUT, on tables, so that they may SHINE before men! Many believe that to be with regard to our "fine works," and that shouldn't be overlooked. But what is our FINEST "work"... if it is not DECLARING OUR LOVE FOR, LOYALTY TO, AND FAITH IN OUR DEAR LORD... BY DECLARING HIS DEATH... BEFORE MEN... UNTIL HE RETURNS?

Imagine, if EVERYONE who was/is a (former) JW partook... OPENLY... what others would come to KNOW? How will they know if WE don't tell/show them? Sure, we can say, "Well, let Christ tell them; they'll get it eventually." And that may be true. But what, truly, is an AMBASSADOR... "substituting" FOR Christ? Is it not one who would do what he WOULD were he "in the land" himself?

Dear ones are passing life BY! Is that not a major thing?? Should we not be saddened and horrified by THAT? Imagine Israel's reaction to any who did NOT sprinkle blood of their doorpost for the first Passover! Imagine their horror watching those who didn't... when they COULD have... be subjected to the Destroyer. Imagine if no one had TOLD them to sprinkle blood on their doorposts... or no one else DID do so, to show THEIR faith.

Are these things not reason enough for US, we who profess to be of the TRUE Body of Christ... to go and show them HOW to ACCEPT life?

I don't care about the WTBTS' profaning of this matter. That's on that harlot's head. But I can't see how I can sit at home and say I love God and Christ, while knowing that THEIR sheep are being shut out of the kingdom... by these false teachers and leaders. So these (wolves) don't want to eat and drink: let them refrain. Their choice. But are we not to be of the "Here I am, send ME!" group of people?

Again, sorry. If you've read my first posts on other sites, like JWN or H20, etc., you will know that is a matter VERY close to my heart. Because lives... everlasting lives... are at stake and that God and Christ are being made out to be liars... all so some false prophets and false christs can prosper, either in power or money... or both.

I CAN'T STOMACH... OR IGNORE... IT.

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

OUTLAW SAID

In WatchTower World..
Memorial is "Ignore Jesus day!"
You people are going to Screw that up!..
Stop It!..

We`re the Friggin WBT$ GB Popes!..
.................Worship Us!..
.......

God wouldn`t have a Job without the WBT$..
And..
Don`t you Forget It!..



..............................................OUTLAW

AGUEST SAID



Indeed, it IS, dear Sher'f, luv (peace to you, dear one!). In fact, isn't EVERY day "Ignore [Jesus] Day" for them?



Nahhh, not a chance. Too many of 'em won't get it. "Broad and spacious" that "road," luv... broad and spacious... LOLOLOLOL!

Peace!

YSFS of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

I am wondering what to do about this, this year. I usually partake at home privately, which I agree is our "daily bread". I've been thinking about this year's Memorial, and the shares about partaking at the KH.

Where I live now is a long way from the congregations I was in. I wouldn't go back to those because I have a son who's an MS over there and the ensuing gossip would bring him a lot of embarrassment and possibly humiliation, and I don't believe that's loving or fair to him. If I went locally to where I live now, no one knows me so they would probably just take me for someone either a bit kooky, or a church goer who doesn't understand their teaching. That makes me wonder if it would be a worthwhile thing to do.

I will continue to pray about it and think on it.

Loz x
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Don't let anyone put you down, and don't do it to yourself.

OUTLAW SAID


Good Morning (((Shelby!..)))

Yes,Every day in Watchtower World is "Ignore Jesus Day"..
That is so sad for people who want to be Christians..But..
Are turned into WatchTards..
JW`s are afraid of,too much talk about Jesus..
You can scare them with it..LOL!!..
Seriously..
Start talking about Jesus as opposed to Jehovah with a JW and..
You can watch them shut down right in front of you..
They`ll chew their own leg off,trying to get away from the conversation..
LOL!!..