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SONOFMAN SAID

here is the thing, The spirit in the people that wrote these words had them translated by people who did not have the teaching of the Kingdom of God. Would you please go to genesis ch I vs 26 and 27. This is the Father. What did he create? answer the Spirits. Gen ch 2 vs 7 the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground. Who created Mankind? And are they not both Fathers in there own right. However there is only one Spirit in the kingdom called the Father, the God of Ch 1. It is only the teaching of the kingdom of God that teaches all things and this is the truth of Jesus the Christ of the Lord God. Do you have a KJ bible? rev ch 22 vs 20 and 21 why is there a differance made in the two names of Jesus. Because one is the Holy Spirit in the world daily the other is Jesus the Christ who is at the Throne of the Lord God, not in the world daily. I have to go out soon I will reply if you have questions later. Your brother in Christ. David.
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May christ and his kingdom bless us all

SONOFMAN SAID

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: pleaset tell me
I have to go but please tell me who the Father is. To just parot scripture without understanding it is of little use to be honest. The reason the Lord Jesus Christ said when you pary pray, Our Father who art in heaven. Who is the Our. Explian the understanding of the word and I will believe you have the Holy Spirit telling you the answers. In which case you do not need to here my words. David How is Christ Davids son? you will know if you read my earlier post this is a question which the religious people of his day could not answer. So I gave you the answer ask the Holy Spirit in you where I figured it out and where the Scripture is that upholds the answer. If you can do this I will accept you as a person who has the Holy Spirit Jesus living in them. If not you must start to reacess what you believe as TRUTH. David PS he tells us all things right? If you hear him he will tell you the answer. In which case I am humbled to make your aquaintance.
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TEC SAID

Sonofman... I do not need you to accept me as a person who has the Holy Spirit living within me, or even to believe me. Just as you do not need me to do that for you. I also do not need to hear your words (though I welcome you in fellowship to share faith and give/receive support, for the building up of the Body of Christ - and also in friendship). But I need only Christ and His teachings, Christ who is the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit.

Most of us here are listening to the Spirit of Christ and allowing HIM to guide us, or at the least learning to do so. Are you saying that someone should listen to you over Him? I don't think you are saying that, but perhaps there is something being lost in 'translation'. Perhaps you should take a little more time looking around the forum, before making any sort of calls on the people taking part in this forum. You might understand a little more about us and the Lord, and God, we follow, by doing this. Just a suggestion, and I make it in the hopes of peace, not strife; but also truth and faith.

The Father IS God; the Father of Christ, the Creator, from whom Christ came, Jahveh (Jah); the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob; the Most Holy One.

Peace to you,
tammy

JUSTMOM SAID

Good Morning Sonofman

I too appreciate your zeal and can relate to some of what you say as to holy spirit and Truth.

But NOT all resounds with my spirit and so maybe some I either do not fully understand or I may NOT agree with.

But the important thing is that our unity should exist in pursuing Christ, being able to hear Him, follow His lead and allow Him as the Truth...The Holy Spirit... to guide us down the narrow path which is also Him. Also understanding the importance of remaining in union with him and being obedient.

In this way by remaining in union with and obedient to" the SON" we remain in union with "Our father" in the heavens who is The Most holy one of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob whose name is "Jahveh" (Jah) at Psalms 68v4 and the one described in Psalms 146-150.

And the one whom "ALL PRAISE AND HONOR AND GLORY GOES TO. LET EVERY BREATHING THING PRAISE JAH!" (very encouraging chapters in Psalms)

Have a great day
Love Justmom

ZOE SAID

Is this a Joke? I don't want to be rude or sarcastic but this Sonofman stuff is bizarre to me. Kind of is turning me off and wondering if this is for real that someone could think or believe this stuff. Dying 7 times and resurrected in a Winnipeg jail. Don't you think it would have been reported? God chuckling at him and Jesus asking him to dinner?

I am here to learn and listen as I am not an atheist and hope dearly that there is a God or something after we die but to me this is literally unbelievable. I commend you all for being so kind and gentle with him but I think encouraging this kind of crazy stuff is not really a good thing if you want to help people to believe in Christ.

Just my opinion and hope it's not wrong to criticize.

AGUEST SAID

I totally agree with you, dear Kassad (peace to you!), in all that you state. Please keep in mind, though, that the "foolish and ignorant disputes" that Paul was cautioning Timothy about was that which sometimes occurred among believers... and not that which was actually opposition from UNbelievers.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

TEC SAID




It is not wrong to object, or disagree, or voice your concern, Zoe, so no worries. I am glad that you did.

peace,
tammy

PSACRAMENTO SAID


Zoe,
While it is easy to sometimes take what is said by another that seems to us "silly", it is also important to understand that reacting in a harsh and uninviting way does no one any good.
To receive someone with love is the way of Christ.
Personally I do NOT accept what "sonofman" is saying and has said, I find that it not only does NOT mesh with scripture but my own understanding that I get from how God and Christ have revealed themselves to me and Us all.
That said, I am willing to hear what he has to say and responded accordingly.
Out of love and respect.

TEC SAID

Paul, thank you. That was beautifully said.

Peace to all of you,
tammy

ZOE SAID

I do respect that you all listen and do not mock others with different opinions and ideas. That is one of the main things I like about you here, your patience and kindness It is what I think Jesus would be like and very compelling.

I apologize for being so harsh but I was shocked and got carried away with my opinion.

PSACRAMENTO SAID

Don't worry Zoe, my first thoughts were far more harsh than yours, LOL !

AGUEST SAID


Good morning, dear SonofMan... and peace to you! Unfortunately, I’m going to have to disagree with you here and say that it is my Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... whom you know as “Jesus” Christ... who gives holy spirit. He does so either directly or through those to whom he’s given authority to give it (Acts 19:6).

As for it being given to only two at a time, that too is incorrect, dear one: it was given to the 11 all at one time (John 20:22, 23), to a group who had gathered in an upper room at Pentecost 30CE (Acts 2:2-4), to Cornelius’ entire household AND some friends (Acts 10:44, 47)... to about 12 by Paul (again Acts 19:6)... and so on. Indeed, my Lord is recorded to have said that “where two OR MORE are gathered,” there HE would be in their midst.



I am sorry, dear one, but it is not the truth... and at the very least the above verses should show you and alters that.



I can grasp that you might think that... even hope it... but I would have to disagree on the basis that your “inspired expression” appears to be false. I have tested it, first, as to my Lord and what he told ME (which is to respond to you here and try to “expound the Way of God more accurately” to you), then against LOVE (which says it makes no sense for the MOST Holy One of Israel to restrict His spirit to only two at a time – what if there were 20 in one place all asking at the same time? Would He withhold it? Where would be the love in that??). And then, against what is recorded (which, again, there are verses that state contrary to what you assert here).



I certainly do! And again, you are in error. The “LORD GOD”... is the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies (JaHVeH)... whose name was removed by the false styluses of the secretaries/scribes/copyists... whose work of doing so, among other things, my Lord, His Son, condemned. If you would take a moment and look up the instances of “Lord God” in the Greek and/or Hebrew... you would see that there is an actual name there. That One, the MOST Holy One of Israel... is also the Father. HOWEVER, for those of us who have been given a token (holy spirit) so as to one day be born OF the spirit (i.e., given “white robes”)... the SON is our “father”... because it is he who BEGETS us by means OF that spirit. That spirit, however, is the seed of God... which our Lord and ”father”, the HOLY One of Israel, received from HIS Father, THE Father... the MOST Holy One of Israel.



Please be assured that EVERYONE here is willing to receive, dear one... with an OPEN mind AND heart. However, we also know that not ALL inspired expressions originate with God. So, while we are not OPPOSED to you... surely you must understand that just because YOU say doesn’t make it so. No more than just because “I” say. Thus, far, no one here’s spirit has borne witness with the “truth” you claim to have and be speaking by. Given that the anointing that is in us is what teaches us... surely that should occur for SOMEONE besides yourself, yes?



Then PRAISE JAH, do that, dear one! By all means. We, too, with you! BUT... if your glorification is not born of the TRUTH... is NOT truth... then it will be questioned, even dismissed. And thus far, it doesn’t seem to be truth... nor OF the Truth (John 8:32, 6; John 14:6).



As all who are such... and called such... are. Even more, though, to be called his friend, yes? (Matthew 12:47-50)



As none should.



But you can’t do that, dear one. All you can do is put information out there so that others can seek to make THEIR OWN paths straight. Which they do by following HIM, the Lamb, wherever HE goes (because HIS is the straight path)... and not you or me... or any other man. Surely you understand this?



It's true that only a few find him, dear one, yes. However, while it is narrow, the path itself isn’t exactly straight, per se. It wanders and meanders. Through this city and that... while my Lord passes through and calls HIS sheep OUT (John 10:1-5). HIS walk on that path, however, is straight: right down the middle. And as we follow HIM... OUR path becomes “like the light of day... which gets lighter and lighter as the day dawns.” And so, as the day dawns we can SEE better... so as to MAKE our paths straight. Like his. (Proverbs 4:18)



Again, you are in error. Indeed, just because one BELIEVES does not mean one will RECEIVE, no. The demons believe. However, ANYONE... ASKING... shall indeed receive. (Luke 11:13). Because God is love... and Christ is the image of God and so love, himself... and LOVE would not withhold such a gift from one ASKING. Hence, my Lord’s words “KEEP asking... and it WILL be opened to you.” Of course, the one asking must do so in FAITH, but if one asks WITHOUT faith... is one TRULY asking?


For those asking for a wrong purpose, yes. For those asking out of a PURE heart, meaning out of love and FAITH... it is not just more religion. To the contrary, it negates religion and its purpose, entirely.



I know you're addressing dear tec (peace to you, luv!), but I would like to comment on those if I may:



These are the same One, dear one. In the first instance (Gen ch I vs 26, 27) the reference is to “Elohim”; however, the second reference (Gen ch 2 vs 7) is with reference to “JaHVeH Elohim”? Why the difference? The false stylus of the secretaries, dear one. You must remember that the Hebrew verses are actually translations TO Hebrew... FROM Greek... and that the work of those men was condemned BY Christ? “WOE to you... scribes!”

Why would they have made this particular difference? I had to ask and the word of my Lord is that His name “JaHVeH” was not known prior to Moses (who did not write the Genesis account – Joseph did)... and so it was later added. But not in all places. Why? Because some did not believe the name of God should be uttered. So, in some places it was added but should not have been if keeping true to what was KNOWN at the time.


There is no “they,” dear one – they are one and the same: the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies (JaHVeH).


There is only One that IS the ALMIGHTY Father, yes, but He was not the ONLY one called “father” in the kingdom. My Lord asks me to ask you: did he not say to the scribes, et al., that they were from THEIR father, the Devil? Where, though, was that one when he said this? Was he not still a part of the kingdom... and so IN it... until he was cast out... LATER? Is not he, Christ himself, ALSO called “father”?



I am not sure from what source you received THAT understanding, dear one, but the difference is merely my Lord being called “Lord Jah eShua” in the first instance, and “Lord Jah eShua, the Chosen One” in the second. Our Adversary DOES keep tramsforming himself into an angel of light, so please... "test" the "expressions" you say you are receiving!


I have no questions but perhaps someone else might. Or... perhaps YOU might. Even so, I thank you for the opportunity. I would exhort you... AND them, though, in the meantime... to go back and ask of the One who said HE is our Teacher, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH, the MOST Holy One of Israel... and the Almighty Father.

Before I go, though, I am also to share with you that Chapter 2 of Genesis is really just a more detailed and ordered account of the fifth day mentioned in Chapter 1. One thing of note in Chapter 2 is the words that seem to suggest that there was no vegetation yet. How could that be, though, when vegetation was brought forth on the “third” day? What had been brought forth... was not EDIBLE. There was not yet any plants/vegetation... OF THE FIELD... or any herb OF THE FIELD. There were certainly WILD plants, but nothing “of the field”... meaning cultivated so as to be safe for man to EAT. So... a garden was planted with EVERY plant edible by man... except one. And man was to cultivate that garden... and it was easy for him to do so... because the earth COOPERATED and GAVE FORTH its yield. Unlike later... when it was cursed... and man now had to TOIL it... to make it produce.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

KASSAD SAID


thanks guys for the correction