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SONOFMAN SAID

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: ys fsoc
it was the Lord God that hardened pharohs heart. I found that interesting. Why to justify judgement for the years of suffering he had caused. The Lord God wasen't going to just let him off because now he set the people free. He paid for the years of abuse. david
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MEDEWTYSENU SAID

@ sonofman:

It's my understanding that Yahveh hardened an already hard heart as indicated by Pharaoh's treatment of the Israelites (making them slaves) before Moses led them out. We can have hard hearts toward a person yet still know right from wrong. It's our choices that define who we are.

Pharoah wasn't blind, he saw what was going on and there was no other explanation. There is no indication that Yahveh continued to harden Pharaoh's heart after the Israelites left. The text simply says that he got up and pursued them with the intent of either bringing them back (despite what he himself had witnessed with the plagues) or murdering them. As a ruler he seemed to lack god sense and wasn't cognizant of the past. As the text says there was a Pharaoh who arose who did not know Joseph, etc and subsequently enslaved the Israelites to make bricks. When HIS authority was questioned he made life harder for them. he even asked "Who is Yahveh that I should obey him, I do not know him at all and therefore I will not let your people go." Even though he later found out who Yahveh was and the Israelites left, he still continued as he was before, obstinate, stubborn and unwilling to recognize Yahveh's power/authority. Such as it has been many times in history and will be again. Yah'eshua says you cannot put new wine into an old wine skin. Of course he was referring to the Mosaic Law and how it had become corrupt and a burden under the Priests of Israel. but we can look at it another way. In order to appreciate Yahveh and obey him, we must remake the wine skin that is our hearts so that we might better appreciate what Yahveh has done for us. Hearts filled with corruption cannot exist side by side with the Holy Spirit, the spring that bubbles forth living waters.

YS and FSofC
Morgan
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SONOFMAN SAID

Hi how are you today? I have something interesting that I have figured out over the years in regards to egypt. the egyptians worshiped the Lord God RA. We know that the truth of eternal life came from the Lord God.I believe that there is only one Lord God and he alone teaches about eternal life, therefore I believe the egyptians were worshiping the same Lord God as the Jews. They called him RA. Their name for the same Lord God. There is no other way to hear about eternal life. They also believed in the son God. I believe all of the interpritations of what is written abot the sun God is a mis interpritation of the word SON. We know the God of Israel is the Lord of Host's. It is written that the Lord of Host's included the Holy one of Israel in many scriptures. I believe this was the son God of the egyptians. The same Spirit the Lord of Host's spoke of in countless scriptures. I also believe that this Spirit called the Holy one of Israel is the holy Spirit Jesus. This is the Spirit that was born into the world as the flesh of Jesus the Christ of the Lord God. That is why it is written I came to my own and they new me not. David PS Christ's gospel was the teaching of the kingdom of God which are the seven Spirits of God, the Host of heaven the Holy angels. All represent the kingdom of Jesus the Christ of the Lord God. This teaching is also the testimony of the Holy spirit Jesus. It makes sense that Christ taught this because he was the Holy one of Israel in the Flesh. The Lord Jesus. The angel told Mary name him Jesus Why? that has always been his name.
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PSACRAMENTO SAID

Correlation doesn't equal causation.
While Our Lord has spoken to ALL in His way, not all have absorbed His full message and, at times, some have "perverted His message.
Many of the Old gods were fallen angels that perverted the message of God for their own doing, to get people to worship them and not God.
At times it was man that made them gods and other times they that made themselves gods amongst men.
The Egyptians had many gods, as did the surrounding nations.
We do NOT know their original understanding of God but what it was at the time of Genesis and Exodus was far more against God then for God.
It is quite possible that their original understanding was correct but that it became perverted and an affront to God is clear.

MEDEWTYSENU SAID

@ sonofman. You might find this interesting though there is much disagreement between scholars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten



There would seem to be some correlation between this Pharaoh and the one that reigned when Joseph came into Egypt and the famine that struck the land. History first records the influenza virus as beginning in Egypt. Is this a coincidence or something more?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten# ... monotheism

Interesting .

YS and FSofC
Morgan
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SONOFMAN SAID

Hi, I have tried to share this with JWs over the years to a less than a warm reception. The truth of Christ is the testimony of the Holy Spirit Jesus. Called the teaching of the Kingdom of God. All the doctrines of man can not change this truth. No religion is right if the gospel of Christ is not part of it.This includes every religion in the world. Including Apoloy in the philipines with his church of the kingdom of Christ. He has no idea what the gospel of Christ is, therefore he is not sent as the appointed son of the Father. Here it is. The Lord Jehovah is a member of the seven Spirits of God sent daily into the world. If you do not uphold his kingdom you do not uphold his truth. The Lord Jehovah is the God of the Jews. As the Lord of Host's is the God of Israel.Both of these spirits uphold the throne of the Lord God where Christ is. The Lord jehovah say's I will make them of the synagogue of Satan that say they are Jews and are not, but do lie. Revelations CH 3 vs 9. The JW religion was started by a man who was angry with the Lord Jehovah because he could not receive the Kingdom of God because the Lord Jehovah would not accept him. Therefore he could not sanctify the Spirit of the Lord Jehovah's, and so he could not receive the Kingdom of Christ. He got really P Od and said I will show you, and started a religion to bring dishonor to the Lord Jehovah. He did this by bringing people who did not follow the statutes and traditions of the Jews. This religion has led countless people to a sad end with the Lord Jehovah. Putting him above Christ is a dishonour because he upholds the Father and the Father created Christ to save the gentiles as well as Israelites and Jews. No religion is going to change his mind. It is why he writes about making them of the synagogue of Satan. The lord Jehovah is not kidding he will do this. The Lord Jehovah upholds Jesus Christ and his gospel of the Kingdom. It is this gospel which seperates people from following fabels and the doctrines of man. There are other truths that go with this however the J Ws are so stiff necked and selfrighteous that they are surely lost. I can not believe that people become so brainwashed over a religion. Has any of there leaders done any miacles or healing even. No they choose to let their children die, where is the God they so desperatly believe in? why dose he not save even one from death? Because he dose not hear them because he will not hear lies and ignorance,and return blessings. OUCH David
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KASSAD SAID

Ranting..

I was also surprised by the number of atheists in JW.net. As a fading JW, my faith has been somewhat shattered, once believing i know everything and now i don't, and now had been looking to such forum to perhaps help strengthen it, but instead confronted by clever arguments that there is no God. For me its just and not edifying for those who still cling to faith.

If its not been prophesied that there will be false prophets and teachers beforehand, then we have reason to lose our faith. But it HAS been forseen, and this alone should convince us that God is totally in control. Whatever damage has been done will be reversed. Whatever trickery and manipulation clever religious men may have consciously did they will account for.

In my case, I see these people like spoiled kids that did not get what they want and so now throws tantrums in the house. They ask why did God not interfere? God interfered. There's the Bible, read it. There's his Son, have faith in Him, follow him. There's salvation, not yet fully realized, but it is being offered now, take it. There will be more interference in the future. Once God fully interferes with the affairs of men, as C.S. Lewis also said, it is the End of the world. It is the day of Judgement. And it is too late for anyone to do anything on that day.

I try hard to follow this advice from Paul to Timothy with regards to Atheists (and also I do not know much, I'm just a little publisher before) :

"23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient" - 2 Timothy 2

SONOFMAN SAID

good morning, I believe the scripture you are reffuring to was Paul talking to people who were believers in churchs. Christ only taught one gospel it was why he was killed. Christ said seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be added unto you. The truth is religion dose not have the time to do this. They need to make money first. That is the state of the world today. Look on the internet there 50 or more people claiming they know what the kingdom of God is, yet not one of these people have the kingdom in them. Christ sais the kingdom of God is within you. How? The answer is the Holy Spirit Jesus has the seven Spirits of God in him. So if you have the indwelling Holy Spirit Jesus in you then the Kingdom of God is in you. The truth is there dose not appear to be any leaders and teachers that have the Holy spirit Jesus in them. So what happens is you have people teaching the doctorines of men for the precepts of God. This is religion, no person will be saved by their religion. What motivates the Holy Spirit Jesus? Truth. Righteousness, mercy, brotherly love, chairity, knolwedge understanding Wisdom. Today churchs do not even know who the Lord Jesus is, so they are seeking the wrong spirit. This is ignorance and dose not motivate the Lord Jesus in any way.This is why we need to seek the kingdom of God and Christ's gospel. I have offered for years to teach this truth because that is what the Lord God and his Christ chose and sent me to do. Religions can not receive the testimony of the Holy Spirit. Why? The church leaders are the ones seeking glory for themselves not the Glory for Christ. Therefore they turn me away because they have no faith in Christ. And they do not want to give up there seat long enough for me to teach the people. Only a few people have done what Christ said. SEEK ye FIRST the kingdom of God. I have the Sanctified Kingdom of God the kingdom of Jesus the Christ of the Lord God. In the churches today you have emotion for Spirit and ego for Soul. Do you really think the Holy Spirit will spend time there. What is a church for today? Sing some songs and learn how to get money because that is what GOD wants for you. Do you know that none of the Seven Spirits answer to the name GOD. Not one spirit of the kingdom will answer a prayer directed at GOD. Because it is a prayer of ignorance. First the kingdom has power and dominion over the whole world. The comandment honour thy Father and Mother is the truth of the Kingdom. Christ said call no man your father you have only one Father and he in heaven. No one can be called a Father unless he has a son or daughter and this requires a Mother. This is the truth of Creation. Not religion. The Mother has a Holy Spirit just as the Father has a Holy Spirit. They are both sent to the world daily. The marriage super of the Lamb? What is it? answer the two Holy Spirits sanctified in a man, creating the living soul of God in a man in the world. This is the creation Adam fell from. So doing this repairs the fall of Adam. You become a living Soul.I can teach all these things however churchs refuse to receive me. What I have written here is the result of 50 years of study and teaching by the Lord Jesus he is the Holy Spirit of the Father. The Lord God chose me when I was 4 years old. I have had the indwelling Spirit Jesus for 52 years. I have had the Gift of the Holy Spirit for 22 years. I have raised people from the dead this didn't even motivate people to seek me out and ask how did you do that. Why? BLIND leading the Blind. What I am writing here is the truth of the pathway of Jesus Christ. I am raised from the dead to do this. I died in a torture cell in Winnipeg Man. Canada seven times. Because I refused to lie for the Government at a court case. This is a long story and is only mentioned because I had to start the pathway where Christ left off. Resurrected Flesh. The people that read these words are hearing the truth of the Gospel of Christ for the first time in there life. There is no doubt about that FACT. Christ was killed for teaching this stuff. Do you want the baptisim of the Holy Spirit? Then you have to come to me. That is the way it is. If you do not believe you will not receive. I am a disiple of Jesus Christ and I can do all of the things that go with that office. What do the crystal skulls of the Myans represent. the 13 disiples of Christ. the 12 they have representing a pure Mind. Or the Mind of Christ. they said when the 13th is found the world will change. Why because the truth once again dwells with mankind. Im the 13th. Say what you want no one will change the truth of the Lord God his Father Mother Christ and Holy Spirit Jesus and their kinhdom in the world. Have a blessed day people. PS I am also fearless except for my fear of the Lord of Host's. Ill tell you what that is the fear of God is the same for all believers what is it? answer the fear of being removed from the Love of God.
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One thing why do you not use the word GOD. two scriptures First exodus ch 3 vs. 14 and 15 period. 2nd Habakkuk Ch 3 vs 3. This is the truth of why the LORD GOD told the people to call him this name now and forever.
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LOZ SAID

An interesting perspective SonofMan, however, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at my anointing almost 21 years ago. Many here have similarly been anointed.

2Cr 1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us [is] God,


Wishing you peace,

Loz x
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SONOFMAN SAID

I use the word GOD because I know who GOD is. I do not pray to GOD because I know who God is. Revelations ch 11 vs 15, 16 , 17. vs 17 the elders that sit before his Throne know who he is also. How do they worship him? Oh LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. WHY? its the truth and we must worship in Spirit and TRUTH.
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SONOFMAN SAID

Hi did he teach you about his kingdom? Do you have the testimony of the Holy Spirit. Who baptised you? The difference between the baptisim and the Gift of the Holy Spirit are two seperate truths. To be honest with you you can not get the baptisim from a man who dose not have the Gift of the Holy Spirit. There are two of us on the planet Perhaps you know the other person sent by the Lord God. If you do I would really like to meet him. There are only two pathways in the world for the baptisim. The new pathway and the old pathway. When I went to the Throne of the Lord God he asked Jesus Christ is there a pathway open? Christ said yes the old pathway is available. The Lord God chuckled and said very well David I sent you to the Jehovahs Witnesses. I am in fact their representitive at the throne of the Lord God. TRY and tell them that HA HA HA. The old pathway is Christ's pathway. If you like I will explain more about that and why the Lord God had a laugh over it. King David was the first to walk it. Its another reason they call Christ Davids son. Same Spirit JESUS. Make no mistake this same Spirit is in me today as I write these words to you its his Spirit leading me. David
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TEC SAID


sonofman, there are some things that you share that I also understand. The kingdom within us being one. That some preach or teach for their own glory is another. That the Spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit) speaks is yet another.

Some of what you share is unknown to me, so I will leave it be for now.

And some of what you share, the spirit within me cries out against. If one wishes to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, then one need only ask the Father for this gift, and exercise faith in Him to receive it. The way of Christ is the ONLY way to the Father (he is not the old way, and perhaps I misunderstood what you meant in this)

But no one need come to YOU, to receive this gift. Christ is the one who chooses.

"If anyone loves me he will obey my teaching, and my father will love him, and we will come and make our home with him."

You are correct that no one among us is to be called Father. But no one among us is to be called teacher, either. We are witnesses to the ONE Teacher, and that teacher is Christ.

Many here, hear the Spirit within them, sonofman. You will be hard pressed, I think, to convince them that they need to come to you to receive something that they have already received

Kassad, I understand your frustration with the way some atheists attack faith. Some theists are far worse mind you, lol. But I do understand. Some people are disillusioned and hurt and angry, and this is a stage for them, and especially those who have been disillusioned, hurt, and angry due to a religion and its teachings on God. For some, I think that faith is a threat, especially if it is faith that they cannot tear down. Some have their own reasons that are unknown to me.

I have learned that there is always an answer to some of the questions or arguments 'against God'; and to be patient and not to worry, even if I do not YET see that answer. Because the answers always come. When I see or hear the answer, then I am always... oh, so simple; how could I NOT have seen that!?

Peace to you,
tammy

SONOFMAN SAID

Thanks for you reply. First the Father dose not give the Gift of the Holy Spirit. Where do you find this in scriptue? My friend it is the Lord God that gives the Gift, after Jesus Christ who is at his right hand asks him to do so for you. The gift of the Holy Spirit is only given to two people in the world at one time. That's it, this is the truth. Show me a scripture that alters in any way what Im saying to you. Can you grasp the truth that who is teaching these things through me is the one and only Lord Jesus. The Holy Spirit of the Kingdom of God the Holy Spirit of the Father. Do you know who the Father is? He is not the Lord God. I know you are interested in these things so you must be willing to receive with an open mind and heart. I am here to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and his Kingdom in the world. NOT myself, I am blessed to be called his brother. I seek no other truth than this. I am only trying to make straight the pathway's of God in the world. Straight and narrow is the path and only few there be that find it. Not just anyone who askes and believes with GOD for the truth and therefore automaticly because of there belife receives. Not true just more religion. Did you read the scriptures I posted tell me what you think?
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TEC SAID

Luke 11:13

"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

I cannot grasp what you say about this as truth, sonofman, because that is not what the Spirit of Christ teaches me... nor even what his words teach here in the book of Luke.

The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is not the translation of His name. (I think you know this though) This is simply how it is rendered in the bible, because those translating the bible do not know His name. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying on this matter?

Peace to you,
tammy

PSACRAMENTO SAID

There is only one person, one advocate between Us and Our Beloved Father and that is His Son, Our Lord and Saviour.
The gift of the HS, the gift of Our Lord IN Us, is given By The Father, through the Son, so that we may be in Him, as He is in Us.