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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:25 pm 
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"What silently embraces the entire universe?"


And we assume there is only one universe, one dimension!
Ah! James Thomas, so good to see you are still floating around in cyberspace gracing forums such as this with your wisdom. Your insight has been a comfort to me for many years. Hang on in there because you're worth it.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:26 pm 
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It seems to me that here it is our own words and language that are creating the limitations, so they are not real. I can conceive of a being both vast and yet focused on the smallest particular, and that having a person hood that has no limit or limitation.

Does that bring us closer together in understanding, Glad? It does for me, but I don't know if I have been able to get my meaning across through the confines of language.



Chariklo - Indeed it does. Perhaps words create a separation that does not exist in the silence of nature.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:26 pm 
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"What silently embraces the entire universe?"

And we assume there is only one universe, one dimension!


Funny you should say that, I was thinking of saying "universes". But lost the s somewhere.

Also, I feel I should have added that to create a God within the mind is not a bad thing. It's just what the mind does...especially when it seeks to understand the Beloved.

I'm just reminding the mind that what it seeks is infinitely more the mind can ever begin to comprehend, and yet even closer than the mind of thoughts and senses.

Or, I'm just mumbling....as usual.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:27 pm 
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CHARIKLO SAID

Thanks, Gladiator! And by the way, I for one don't limit my thinking to one universe or one dimension.

As far as I am concerned, while my thinking may be limited by language (perhaps..though thinking is probably less limited in that way than speech) once the concept of further universes and/or dimensions has been posited, my mind can allow for that, even if not understand more than the basic possibility.

James, I've just read your comment that what the mind seeks is infinitely more than the mind can comprehend. I do like that! Very good!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:27 pm 
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Hi, Chariklo,

I see you there. I meant to note your kind apology in my last post, but pushed "Submit" before I realized not mentioning you. Sorry about that.


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CHARIKLO SAID

Hey, no problem, I don't need to be noticed, but it's nice to be greeted!

Never a problem!


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YPPUPLLEH SAID

;D wasn't expecting this much activity so it should be interesting to read thank you all who are actively participating
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:28 pm 
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JAMES THOMAS SAID

Puppy, you could have gotten more.

We can kick the mind into high gear and attribute every f-ing characteristic, and every story and drama ever imagined to God, or we can STOP the mind completely and see what remains.

Perhaps this thread expressed both sides of the same coin.

And to think...you spawned it.



Before thought, language and scripture, there is God.

Be still of thought, language and scripture. There is God.


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Before thought, language and scripture, there is God.

Be still of thought, language and scripture. There is God.


Are you sure you aren't Taoist or zen Buddhist? ;P
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CHARIKLO SAID

That way of thinking is nit just Taoist or Buddhist, it is also true of a very ancient branch of Christian mystical thinking.

After all, St Francis of Assisi was adopted the Tao, which is the Way, using also the Greek and Hebrew letter Tau, the cross without the upper vertical, to typify his ideal way of living in harmony with all of Creation, and asking his followers to use the Tao or Tau cross as a symbol.

However, Francis was not by any means the only one to adopt this approach to knowing or understanding or living with God, and others did not formalise it in any symbol, just an understanding that, as James says, everything of the self being stilled, God remains.

And God is Love.


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It is important for a forum to have a variety of approaches to understanding the nature of the universe and what we mean by God. If everyone is singing from the same hymn-sheet, conversations can become predictable, even boring. Then people are tempted to look for a forum with more action that provides the opportunity to give a defence or witness as we used to call it.

I know that most of the members here are Christians who although not in total agreement accept Christ and salvation as truth. Having no fixed views I can speculate and add a little salt to the pot.

Please don’t be timid about telling me what you really think. I have already been warned about hell-fire and damnation and been bitten by more Christians than lions. I come dressed as a gladiator because it makes me feel safer. I for my part may cast the odd net over you views and wrestle them to the ground.


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It is important for a forum to have a variety of approaches to understanding the nature of the universe and what we mean by God. If everyone is singing from the same hymn-sheet, conversations can become predictable, even boring. Then people are tempted to look for a forum with more action that provides the opportunity to give a defence or witness as we used to call it.


YES!! dear Glad (peace to you, dear one!)! Emphatically... YES! Because to NOT have such... undermines CHOICE. It is really a CHOICE... if one has no other options??

Paul wasn't afraid of the Areopagus (notice, that is NOT a Hebrew word!). Christ wasn't afraid of the marketplace. Do we really think ONLY Jews were present in these places... what with Rome occupying the region? What of the Greeks and others who were present?

THANK you for that, truly... and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

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After all, St Francis of Assisi was adopted the Tao, which is the Way, using also the Greek and Hebrew letter Tau, the cross without the upper vertical, to typify his ideal way of living in harmony with all of Creation, and asking his followers to use the Tao or Tau cross as a symbol.


Ezekiel 9:4

"Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."

The ancient hebrew word for "mark" is a single letter (Tav/Taw)


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