xjwsforChrist

I personally can't reconcile those "christians" who believe in/[claim to] follow Christ, but don't believe what HE believed (peace to you, all!).

NO problem understanding someone who does NOT believe in Christ NOT believe in the Flood... or Adham... or Eden... or the parting of the Red Sea, etc.

But can one truly be a disciple of someone whose beliefs THEY don't believe?

I am not trying to be facetious or rhetorical, truly. I am REALLY trying to understand this. It doesn't make sense to me.

Can someone help me out on this? Help me understand the dichotomy of the THINKING? It is causing me some problems, truly.

Peace... and I look forward to ANY comments/assistance on this.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Perhaps you can be willing to accept that there really is nothing TO reconcile. It simply is not YOUR Business what or how other humans believe in ANYTHING. Or what they DO with such beliefs.

Perhaps.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Sorry, but no, dear Skally (peace!). My love of truth doesn't allow my BRAIN to "accept" one saying one thing... yet saying something else that negates the first... when it comes to Christ... while claiming BOTH as true. At least, not in discussion with me, directly or indirectly. MY brain... and heart... goes "Er? Wait, how can THAT be? Which is TRUE?" Sorry, but that is how MY brain and heart work NOW - it is how the SPIRIT "makes" them work. And so, I am not only not one of those people who just "says stuff" to be "saying stuff"... nor am I one who understands OTHERS who do so... or WHEN they do when claiming a belief in/union with Christ. Hence, my progressive "difficulties" with the WTBTS.

Now, if we were talking about ANY other matter... ANY matter that doesn't have any relation to Christ... I actually wouldn't care. Probably wouldn't even "hear" the contradiction. When it comes to things related to Christ, however... I hear almost every "ring" (of truth)... AND every "gong" (of falsehood). As both dear Job asked and dear Elihu stated:

"Does not the ear test words as the tongue tastes food?" Job 12:11

For the ear tests words as the tongue tastes food. Job 34:3

That is part of the GIFT of holy spirit, luv, and so that's just how I'm "wired", now.



It is not my business what a human or how other humans believe PERSONALLY, no. And PERSONALLY, I truly don't give a hank: to his/her own master each one will stand or fall. BUT... when you're on a certain internet forum, where such matters are discussed... AND the matter is with regard to one's claim of "christian" and the "beliefs" that go with that... then it can BE my business, at least from an abstract POV. And ESPECIALLY when such contradictions are brought up in a discussion in which I am a participant.

Of course, if one doesn't WANT what/how they believe (as a christian) to BE anyone else's business... then joining and participating on an Internet forum entitled "xjwsforCHRIST" might not be a prudent... or even bright... decision.



Perhaps. Perhaps you're concerned that I'm concerned as to what and/or how YOU believe. Calm yourself: I am not. Concerned.

As always, peace to you.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Because they do not believe that HE believed in the flood. They have concluded that He was speaking metaphorically, or using a known 'story' (fable) to convey a point, or something else along those lines. Before I knew the truth, the above are some of the possibilities that I had considered... in order TO reconcile all possible scenarios.

Because as you say, how can you be someone's disciple and NOT believe what HE believed. If you cannot/do not believe there was a flood, then to be His disciple, you have to convince yourself that He did not believe in this either.

(Totally backward, I know... if you are His disciple then you believe what HE believes; you don't make justifications to 'make' Him appear to believe what YOU believe)

Not all even think like that though. Some who claim to be christians/disciples of Christ think and say that He made mistakes and believed and even taught things that were false, and so for them, this would just be a mistake on his behalf. Now THAT I cannot understand.


Hope that helps you understand the thinking of some. Even if it IS backward.



Peace to you,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Ahhhh... I "see," dear tec ( mornin ' and peace to you, luv!).

Thank you. That does shed some light for me. Not sure I understand HOW one can do that, though... no, wait, I can: my dear Lord just said to me:

"They can, child, because they DON'T KNOW ME! They THINK they know me. What they know is an OUTLINE... SHADOW... of me... which they lean on their OWN understanding to FILL IN. That is why they are always SEEKING [to find] me, learning ABOUT me... but never FINDING so as to ACTUALLY AND ACCURATELY KNOW me. Because it is not truly ME they are looking for. They are looking for their OWN IDEA of me. I am not who and what they SEEK. That one is an apparition... a "penumbra" of their own minds, hearts, and desires. As it has always been with Israel... and why they've always rejected me: I was not and am not what they WANT me to be. And so they will NOT see ME... UNTIL it is ME they desire. At which time they WILL say "Blessed is HE... the One who comes IN THE NAME OF JAH"... and NO other. Not even that "Jesus" that they've made up in their minds... and hearts. And so long as they reject ME... my Father... will reject THEM."

Ummmm... well, I mean, okay then. No longer confused about THAT.

Thank you, again, dear tec, for giving MY heart something to apparently ask about!

Peace to you ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

I consider myself to have been a disciple of Jesus, but this doesn't mean that I believe what he believed. IMO it is irrelevant.

I think most disciples of "Jesus" feel that way, luv (peace to you! ). Very contributory to why they don't hear... and haven't PLAINLY seen the TRUE MischaJah, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA: along with "Moses", their OWN understanding stands in (the place of) him, the Way and so creates a "veil" so that HIS glory... and Light... might not shine THROUGH.

Sadly, most of those same folks don't wanna hear that truth, though, so...

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

He is free to speak to me if he wishes so. I am all ears!

He IS speaking to you, dear ANOMOS (peace to you! ):

“To you, O people, I am calling;
I raise my voice to everyone." NWT

“To you, O people, I call out;
    I raise my voice to all mankind. NIV

Problem doesn't lie with him, dear one, but with us. Again , when it comes to TRUTH we hear what... and who... we WISH to... and don't hear what... and Who.... we do not.

Peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Anomos...if i may be of some help here:

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

LOLOLOL! I first thought that was a waterpik for TEETH, dear Skalls ( peace to you, luv! ) and so thought "What the hey - she suggesting he clean his FILLINGS?!" (y'know, in maybe a "Close Encounters" kinda way - LOLOLOL!). Then I remembered: when my little brother was a young boy he always had to have his ears flushed to remove wax build.up! LOLOLOL! GREAT pic!

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

LOL! Had them cleaned a couple of years ago. And a month ago, when I went swimming the sea water entered into the canal and softened a lot of stuff. I couldn't believe my eyes when back home I removed all that stuff from my ears!

So I am full of ears!

Then all you need do now, dear ANOMOS ( mornin ' and peace to you! )... is turn TOWARD the One SPEAKING. Your face, those ears... and your HEART. Which will most probably require you to turn AWAY from all that "noise" you're listening to NOW... and those who spew it.

Entirely YOUR choice, though.. He speaks... but he doesn't MAKE... ANYONE... LISTEN. THAT part is entirely up to the one claiming to have ears. And, as FREE-will agents, we are ALL free to do whatever we wish to in this regard... as well as to not do what we do NOT wish to.

Including hear the voice of the Fine Shepherd... LISTEN to that voice... OR refrain. On this, the "ball" is ALWAYS in OUR "court."

I hope that helps.

Peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Noise? Only my PC makes noise at the moment! LOL! I am not distracted by intentionally produced noise. I don't buy. But still he is not talking.

Well, okay - have it YOUR way, then, luv - LOLOLOL!

Peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar