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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:03 pm 
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TEC- everything you said is inaccurate, not true, a falsehood, misinformation presented as "truth"

How very WT of you right up to giving no sources for your supposed "information"

Here is the TRUTH - with reference sources:

It is said that during the 1930s, as well as when the State of Israel was established in 1948, the Jews drove the Arabs out of their land. The goal of these allegations is to make anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism socially and politically acceptable. Any factual counter-arguments are dismissed as being biased and are ignored by the media, so only the anti-Israel narrative remains in the public eye. So-called "peace activists" accept the claims of the Palestinians without checking them out, and then condemn Israel.

A reliable account of the situation in Eretz Israel (the Land of Israel), which at that time was called Palestine, can be found in a 1937 report of the British Palestine Royal Commission which, as is well known, was not a friend of the Jews. The report says that the Hula Valley in the north of the country was infested with mosquitoes. The landowners were Syrians in Damascus, who leased out the marshes to Arab or Egyptian peasants (fellahs), who lived in primitive mud huts and inevitably fell sick with malaria.

The first thing the Jewish National Fund did in 1934 was to purchase 51 square miles of this marshland for 900,000 Palestinian pounds ($4.5 million) and set up 20 Jewish settlements on it. These Jews battled malaria, yellow fever and the Middle Eastern sun to drain the swamps and reclaim the land.

What the swamps were in the north, the desert, which had to be artificially irrigated, was in the south; and the center of the country was a stony, desolate wasteland. The Arab landlords, who lived abroad and owned large estates, did nothing to solve these problems.

The Turkish Ottoman Empire was in such a poor state after ruling over the Holy Land for 400 years (1517-1917), that wealthy Arab landowners from Syria, Egypt and Lebanon were able to kick out the fellahs and Bedouins and acquire enormous tracts of real estate. Then they made a huge profit by selling the land to Jews from Europe and America.
According to "Turkish government records, in 1915, 3,130,000 dunams of Palestinian land was owned by 144 Arab landowners; so on average, each family owned 22,000 dunams. From early times, the dunam was the only valid unit for measuring land area in Palestine. One dunam is 1,000 square meters and there are 4 dunams in an acre.
The farmers who leased the properties were forced to pay onerous interest rates to the Arab landlords of up to 60 percent, and many tenants were left destitute, losing both house and home. Ultimately, the Arab landowners drove out their Muslim brothers so that they could sell the land for large amounts of money to the Jews.

The Jewish National Fund set up blue and white (Israel's national colors) collection boxes all over the world and received generous contributions from Jewish patrons, which were used to buy property in the Holy Land. Of the 429,887 dunams that the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association purchased from private owners, 293,54 dunams almost 70 percent-was uncultivated land that Arab proprietors living abroad had sold to Jews.

By 1937, the amount purchased by Jews increased to 579,492 dunams, and by 1948 almost 80 percent of the land available for sale had been bought up by the Jewish people. The rest of the land was ownerless desert, which was taken over by Israel after the establishment of the state.
When the League of Nations handed the mandate over to Britain in 1922, it stipulated firmly in Article 6 that the "Palestine administration should work together with the Jewish Agency to encourage intensive settlement of the land by Jews, which should include the land owned by the state and the uncultivated or waste land, as long as this land is not needed for official purposes."
It is astonishing that nowadays nobody seems to be interested in the facts. While everyone has an opinion about this conflict, few take the trouble to check out how the Land of Israel legally became Jewish property. People prefer to embrace the stereotypical Palestinian lies which accuse the Jewish state of forcibly driving the Palestinians out of their homes, although this was mostly done by Arab landlords who cared nothing about "Palestine." Today, the Arab world is trying to push the "crimes" of their ancestors, who effectively "sold out" Palestine 80 years ago, onto the Jews and the State of Israel. article and research by Ludwig Schneider
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:44 pm 
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Oh my!

Some people think they can buy everything with their money. There come the uber rich Israelis and grab the land from the poor Palestinians. And they demand to have peace. You know something? In the capitalist world whoever has the money can do whatever he likes: steal, kill, rape and be an 'honored member of the society'. Now if someone is in a destitute position, you have taken his house, hi land, he has lost everything, is uneducated, plus is brainashed by a s***ted religion, what would you expect him to do? I would do the same. you would do the same if you were in his position.

I do not want any apology. I do not get offended easily as I am following the footsteps of Jesus Christ.

Palestine, Israel? Do you think I care about names? I care only about people. Whoever commit crimes I hate be it a Zionist or a Palestinian extremist.

So in this war:

How many Israeli civilians were killed?
How many Palestinian civilians were killed?

How many Israeli soldiers were killed?
How many Palestinian soldiers were killed?

What is the Israeli ratio civilians/soldiers?
What is the Palestinian ratio civilians/soldiers?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:50 pm 
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I'm not sure what you're objecting to. How much land the Jews owned at the time of the partition plan?

What does your article say about that? Because these sources state what i shared:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html...

and though this site says the figures are misleading (this is from a pro-Israel site I believe), this is what the British reported:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... _plan.html

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According to British statistics in their 1948 Survey of Palestine, 8.6 percent of the land that comprised the Jewish State in 1948 was owned by Jews and 3.3 percent by Israeli Arabs. Another 16.9 percent was abandoned by Arabs who left the country. The rest-more than 70 percent-was in the hands of the Mandatory power, and reverted to Israeli control after the departure of the British.


So, 8.6 % Jewish.

3.3 arab israeli and 16.9 % from those arabs who (I am guessing those who fled from the war, which would not mean they abandoned their land/homes... even though after the fighting ended, they were refugees and most of them not permitted to return by Israel to their homes)

But as you can see, more than 70% was in the hands of the Mandatory power - Britain. As has been stated.


This site states the same, as well as stating some background, as well as stating which facts are disputed by various groups:

http://www.merip.org/primer-palestine-i ... nflict-new





And for some food for thought on an idea of what caused many palestinians to flee (before the war and before Israel declared its state):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre



But to end on a lighter note, and just to show the various peace projects going on between Israelis and Palestinians, so that people can see that there are some on both sides - Muslim and Jew - who are working for and wanting peace:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projects_w ... _and_Arabs




I have no desire to continue to go back and forth with you on the matter. If you have some sites that you would like to recommend, by all means, I will read them. I hope that you also have read things that have been linked for you, like the letter from King Abdullah, and perhaps take a gander if it interests you on what Ghandi had to say on the matter. At least these people were THERE at the time that all this happened.


Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:56 pm 
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The land was SWAMP and DESERT - You did not read or even attempt
to understand that the land was owned by uncaring landowners.

The Jews irrigated the land, planted trees, built roads, provide jobs.
and put in electricity and plumbing used by Palestinians.

You are deliberately not reasoning on this.
The tenants DID NOT OWN THE LAND
Have you ever owned any land ? Rented land ?
Do you understand the concept ?

Palestinians were RENTERS and they could have been taken in as immigrants
to Saudi Arabia or Syria or Lebanon , but were refused entry.

But Israel DID take thousands in who were willing to stay in the new State
of Israel - Anomos You are not really a sincere person at all -
and you are a JW Elder who serves the Governing Body -

Nothing can convince you of the facts because you
have already made up your mind, thats why you are still a JW
You hate Jews as is obvious by your posts and you show no
positive or balanced views at all.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:57 pm 
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Oh, I hate the way the forum does that with the links, lol.


Anomos, you touch on a important issue. How is it just or moral that a people are dispossessed of their nation and self-determination - people who lived quietly off the land - because they were poor, and others were rich?



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I do not want any apology. I do not get offended easily as I am following the footsteps of Jesus Christ.

Palestine, Israel? Do you think I care about names? I care only about people. Whoever commit crimes I hate be it a Zionist or a Palestinian extremist.



Thank you for making that clear!


Peace to you also,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:52 am 
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According to villagegirl if the Jews came 150 years ago and bought the land from the few Greek landowners (oligarchs) who had the Greek farmers as tenants (they were actually working so hard and with such terms that they were no better than slaves), then Israel could claim Greece is part of their country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice logic!
Same way they could buy all Europe in the middle ages and now claim that it is Israel!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:54 am 
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Villagegirl said - Anomos You are not really a sincere person at all -
and you are a JW Elder who serves the Governing Body -


HUH, is this true? I had no idea Anomos is a acting elder. How do we know this?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:58 pm 
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We do not, Zoe.

And unless Anomos wants to tell us anything about himself... or unless he starts promoting the wts, lol... then that is entirely his business.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:58 pm 
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Maybe Villagegirl knows more than me about me. Israeli secret services have infiltrated everywhere-but in this case they have been fouled by our comrades. LOL!
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Who uses children as human shields in Gaza?
Villagegirl answer to me, which country are these soldiers from? And why are they using children and other people as human shields? Is this the brave army of Israel?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tomdEkOgdKU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

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Who bomb children's hospitalsl?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:24 pm 
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Forgive us!
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About 7000 citizens from the Left wing took part in a protest demonstration against Israeli attack on Gaza, in Rabin square, central Tel Aviv, July 26, 2014. Several hundred Right wing activists protested near by and attack left wing activists during the protest, police arrested at least five right wing protesters.

[url]Protest against Israeli attack on Gaza, Tel Aviv. 26.7.2014[/url]
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I Refuse by Udi Segal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_0mEbyz54Q

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Release conscientious objector Udi Segal
29 Jul 2014 — HBrock
Activist:

Udi Segal

Country:

Israel

Not sent after:

16 Aug 2014

Use this form to send the letter below to the relevant authority (Minister of Defence Moshe Ya`alon). You can add your own notes in a separate box after the standard text, if you wish. You must include a name, address, and email address; a copy will be sent to you with a cc to the WRI office (so we have a record of how many email letters have been sent out for this particular case).

Release conscientious objector Udi Segal

Dear Moshe Ya'alon,

Udi Segal, a 19 year old conscientious objector from Kibbutz Tuval, has been imprisoned for his refusal to join the Israeli army.

He was sentenced to 20 days imprisonment on 28th July and is now in Military Prison no. 6.

Udi Segal refuses to enlist in the Israeli Army based on beliefs and conscience. He claims his human right to conscientious objection, as guaranteed by Article 18 of the ICCPR. In a decision from January 2007, the United Nations Human Rights Committee recognised the right to conscientious objection as a legitimate exercise of the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion, as guaranteed by Article 18 ICCPR.

I urge you to immediately release Udi Segal, all other conscientious objectors, and ensure that Udi is not re-imprisoned in future.

Yours sincerely,

http://wri-irg.org/node/23264

Support him here:

messages2prison@newprofile.org


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:21 pm 
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I have a Juris Doctor, dear VG (peace to you!). Latin was not a required course, although some knowledge of that "dead" tongue is helpful. I am an avid etymologies hobbywise... and so have learned enough to recognize word meanings, origins, roots, etc.

Add to that what I have learned from my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH ( MischaJah ) with regard to Greek and Hebrew... and the (intermediate) understanding of Spanish... and I do okay.

Please note, though, although I am not a liar whether you or ANYONE "believes" me... as to ANYTHING I share... personal or otherwise... is never of concern to me. I am not a people pleaser, dear one. At all.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:18 am 
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I meant "etymology hobbyist", dear VG (again, peace to you!), but was posting from my phone with the autoword feature on, so my apologies for any confusion.

Peace!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:11 pm 
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May you all have peace!  You know, my ancestors are from (somewhere) in Africa.  England and Portugal, too, but for now let's focus on Africa.  Let's say... Ethiopia (cause that's true, actually,  though I don't know to what extent.  I digress.)

I wonder if, say, the US/Britain... okay, Egypt... "said"... I could buy some land in Eritrea (formerly a part of Ethiopia) from, say, some Ethiopians who live near the northern border... and drive the Eritreans OUT... by calling for, establishing, and implementing laws that allowed be to arbitrarily invite every OTHER Ethiopian on the planet... AND their relatives... ALL of them, REGARDLESS of whether THEY'RE  Ethiopian because:

1.  The Eritrean aren't cultivating the land (for whatever reason, including because they believe they are OF the land, PART of it, and so just letting "nature" control); and

2.  They've had a breakout of malaria; and

3.  Well, they're just "peasants" anyway... and I'm "better" than that/them.

Think the world would allow it?  

BTW - Wasn't one of the MAIN problems CHRIST had with (some of) his fellow Jews the FACT that SOME (i.e., priests, scribes,  Pharisees, Sadducees, etc.), considered those NOT of such "upper" classes as "peasants"... "amhararets"... or "people of the LAND" (which, surprisingly is what Zion is ts refer to THEMSELVES as today!)??  And didn't "people of the land" mean just that... People who were one with/part OF the land... and not necessarily people whose ANCESTORS were (from the) land??

Well, one can't deny they are PART of "Israel" - because they always FORGET... so QUICKLY... just what it is that GETS them in trouble with God:  they're hypocrisy.  Sadly, here we are close to 2000 years later... yet, THEY seem to be RIGHT BACKS doing the SAME thing(s).  

No WONDER my dear Lord wanted me... us to know the TRUTH!  Well, there you go:  NUTHIN' new under the sun!

Earthling man.  Israel.  JUDAH.  Go figure. 

Peace... in the way Christ gives it!

A slave of Christ, 

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:50 pm 
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Well spoken.

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Let us now expose the Zionists:

The secret report that helps Israel hide facts
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k

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Palestinian fighters attack and execute 10 Israeli soldiers:
WARNING: Better DO NOT WATCH! GRAPHIC WAR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NAhozItSq0
Was this video shown or mentioned in the western media?


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