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Oh I don't know but I found it a very interesting read.
One thing that I do know is that there is too much commonality from all the different mythologies to not have some sort of co-relation.
Of course co-relation does NOT equal causation, but still...

Hola, dear brother Paul... and peace to you! Thank you for sharing that - it's VERY interesting! I would like to comment on a couple/few things, if I may? As I posted previously, I did not know what was accurate/inaccurate, per se, in the writing attributed to Enoch (again, much of what we have TODAY was written by NOAH, NOT Enoch), but I have been given the following by our dear Lord:

Enoch openly states who the Sons of God in Genesis 6 are, Angels that left their home to mate with human women.

Per our dear Lord, this is inaccurate. The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, only had TWO sons... our dear Lord and Adham... until His spirit was poured out by our dear Lord, ADOPTING others... BY SPIRIT... as sons. Sons are BORN... and angels are not born but created. Our dear Lord was born from the womb his mother and ours, "Sarah" (the Jerusalem "above", which is the spirit realm) and Adham was born from the womb of HIS mother, "Hagar" (the earth). Angels have no mother, and thus cannot be sons. These truths are fulfilled in Abraham, the father of Isaac, his HEIR (because that one was from Abraham's FREE wife, Sarah, the woman he LOVED), and Ishmael, his also loved son (but not his HEIR because he was born from Abraham's SLAVE wife, Hagar, who was given him so as to PRODUCE a son... until the time SARAH could do so). These two women correspond with:

1. The physical (Hagar) and spirit (Sarah) realms;
2. The woman Eve (physical) and the Woman of Revelation 12 (spirit);
3. The two Covenants: the OLD (physical) Law and the NEW (spiritual) Law.

The angels are SERVANTS of the sons, starting with Christ. They were brought into existence (created) to SERVE JAH and His Son... and the seed of the Woman (Sarah), which seed was hidden... IN Adham... and came through Eve (once she was taken out of Adham - hence, SHE became [surrogate] mother to the LIVING, which are the sons of God).

Unfortunately, some of those angels forsook THEIR "place" (i.e., position as SERVANT spirits, and so, their BODIES), and put on flesh so as to have relations with women OF flesh. True, they chose such women for their physical beauty, but it was once suggested by another... and my Lord never disputed this (although he also did not confirm), that their GOAL was to procreate (which they cannot do without physical bodies) and create a race of beings that would "conquer" the seed before it could be born. That makes total sense to ME, given what took place such that they needed to be confined, their offspring destroyed... and what has occurred since. Revelation 12:17



While the former is closer to the truth (they do come THROUGH Seth, because Abel, who they were SUPPOSED to come through, was murdered by his brother, Cain... and Cain was banished), that a human is "reknown" doesn't mean a thing. It means very little to JAH, actually, which is a truth repeated numerous times in both the Torah, Bible, AND Koran.



It does, yes! That angels were DEEMED sons of God, however, came from the GREEK influence that found its way into the Septuagint. Which is what the modern Hebrew comes from... and which our dear Lord condemned as containing falsehoods. This was one of them. One reason people BELIEVE angels are/can be sons is because angels can be/are "princes." They ASSUME that "princehood" is directly tied to sonship, that of the dons of a king. BUT... PRINCES have nothing to do with SONSHIP; rather, it is with reference to a PRINCIPALITY... or "territory"... over which one is appointed governorship and/or care. Because both JAH and human kings pass down their positions/possessions to THEIR sons as part of their INHERITANCE... which includes land holding, kingdoms, etc., does not mean that a "governor"... or caretaker... is necessarily a SON. As with humans, "governors"... or "princes"... are often trusted advisors, generals, wealthy merchants, or just "favorites" of the king. They are not always sons or even related by blood. And that is the case here: angels, although able to be PRINCES, are NOT sons.



EXACTLY! From GREEK mythology!! So they reject it (as they should).



No one survived the flood, luv... except Noah, his wife, his three sons (Shem, Ham, and Japheth), and their wives. Well, and a sundry (but large) assortment of beast, fowl, and insect life. Everyone else (of flesh) perished, though. EVERYONE else, including the offspring OF the Nephilim. The Nephilim... were confined BY the water.



I don't see such a description. Is that the correct verse?



The Nephilim weren't the giants; the giants were the OFFSPRING of the Nephilim.



Oh, not just Rome, dear Zoe (peace to YOU, as well, dear lady!). The entire WORLD was eventually given to the Adversary. ALL of it:

"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:5-7

John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11

Why did JAH eventually give the ENTIRE world over to the Adversary (because he absolutely could not TAKE it)? So that the challenge made to ALL mankind, and most particularly those who WOULD be His sons... could be answered:

"JaHVeH said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

“Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied. "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

"JaHVeH said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Job 1:8-12

And...

"JaHVeH said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.”

“Skin for skin!” Satan replied. “A man will give all he has for his own life. But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

"JaHVeH said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.” Job 2:3-6


And...

"The great dragon was hurled down—that [arkaic] serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the [i]accuser[/i] of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.

"Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.” Revelation 12:6-12


THAT is the "universal issue" that is being played out: whether the accusation against man, made by the Adversary, is TRUE, and particularly as to the seed of the Woman who would become sons of God. That is how one BECOMES a son, is GRANTED holy spirit, is CHOSEN... because they do not love their OWN lives as to shrink back from death, but take the good with the bad, ALL THE WHILE continuing to TESTIFY as to Christ and the redeeming value of his blood. Because they KNOW that blood can SAVE them from death, if not now as to their physical/corruptible bodies, then as to their SPIRIT/INcorruptible bodies, the "white robe" that is given them FOR conquering.

To FULLY prove this issue, however, ALL restrictions had to be removed from the Adversary... including as to the territory in which he could look FOR such ones so AS to put them to trial (to prove HIMSELF right). Because ANY restriction would have been deemed as a "hedge", a protection by JAH, and so the accusation not fully played out. At least, that's would have been the Adversary's claim. So... all restrictions were removed and he was given ALL the kingdoms of the earth so as to go out and prove that HIS position was accurate.

Praise JAH... he has been shown a LIAR. If not by those sons, then CERTAINLY by THE Son:

"Be wise, my son, and make my heart glad, that I may answer the one who TAUNTS me." Proverbs 27:11

Although Job... and many others... provided that answer, the FIRSTBORN Son of God, my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), provided the BEST answer: because he not only accepted death to save his OWN (eternal) life... but to save the (eternal) life of everyone ELSE who puts faith in HIM.

We can't hide from the Adversary (except in Sheol)... but we can oppose him. We can ALSO have a share in PROVING... HIM the liar... and the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... TRUE.

I hope this helps!

Peace to you BOTH!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Giants? Where is the proof? Where are the their skeletal remains?

Shel,
If the offspring of the Nephlim perished in the flood, where did their decedents come from, the ones that Joshua saw, the ones like Goliath?
Numbers 13:33 is correct, here is more of the passages:


The Spies’ Reports
25 When they returned from spying out the land, at the end of forty days, 26 they proceeded to come to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation of the sons of Israel in the wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh; and they brought back word to them and to all the congregation and showed them the fruit of the land. 27 Thus they told him, and said, “We went in to the land where you sent us; and it certainly does flow with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. 28 Nevertheless, the people who live in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large; and moreover, we saw the descendants of Anak there. 29 Amalek is living in the land of the Negev and the Hittites and the Jebusites and the Amorites are living in the hill country, and the Canaanites are living by the sea and by the side of the Jordan.”

30 Then Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “We should by all means go up and take possession of it, for we will surely overcome it.” 31 But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are too strong for us.” 32 So they gave out to the sons of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone, in spying it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. 33 There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

You don't think there was a possibility of fallen angels ( or even descendants of the nephlim) passing themselves off as gods to other civilizations?
Such as the Mayan's and Aztecs? such as the nordic tribes ? that the greek gods may have been fallen angels passing themselves off as gods? that Baal was perhaps a fallen angel?
There are lots of "other Gods" mentioned in the OT...

Interesting about that account in Numbers. I would like to know more about that as it seems it verifies that there was giants after the flood.

My understanding which is a JW one is that the flood killed off all those giants, the offspring of the Nephilim.

There are various views on the matter BUT the more inline with the most natural rereading there and elsewhere is that these were races of people that were bigger than most.
Like the aforementioned king.

There are a few ways to reconcile with the flood:
1) it was a local flood, a very BIG but local flood ( which takes into account the issue of other cultures that have a history during what would have been the estimated flood period) and those outside the area survived.
2) After the flood there was still fooling around between angels and females.
3) The "seed" of these was carried by someone of Noah's family.

We would simply be speculating.

What we have is mention of a few races of "bigger than average" humans who's lineage is traced back to the Nephilim by the writers.

(Smile) Dear, dear P... peace to you, luv.... and I'm smiling because of how our dear Lord responded to this, what he gave me to share with you:

1. ALL flesh, including the sons of the Nephilim, were destroyed in the . The ONLY ones who were not were Noah, his wife, his sons, their wives, the animals on the ark... and the Nephilim themselves;

2. The Nephilim were BOUND by the water (which is why water was SENT - water binds spirit beings; fire destroys them), so they could NOT have procreated AGAIN and sired NEW offspring;

3. To the HEBREWS, MANY were "giants" - Hebrews are actually very small people (ever seen Yassar Arafat stand next to, say, an American, Egyptian, Syrian... (modern) Jew? I say "modern" Jew because a Jew of TALL stature was actually an anomaly. Our dear himself was a TINY man. Those who were TALL... could trace their descendancy back TO the Amalekites, Hittites, Amorites, Midianites, etc., that either left Egypt with Israel during the Exodus... or had relations with Israel once they left.

4. Those seen by the men reporting to Moses were not Nephilim but just really large/tall men, whom the UNFAITHFUL Israelites BELIEVED were offspring of the Nephilim BECAUSE of their size. They knew the oral history of the strength and power of the offspring of the Nephilim (the "Fellers") and so let their fear undermine their FAITH. They didn't want to go up against these. Yet... where were such men when they PROCEEDED and overtook the land?

5. David fought Goliath (if you can call it a fight). One man. Not an army of Goliaths. Goliath was an anomaly, as giant men are today. We would not think TODAY that a man of, say, 7-8 feet... and had extra toes/fingers... was the offspring of a spirit being, would we?

6. If Noah carried the seed OF Nephilim IN him... then HE would have had to be such an offspring, himself... yes? Yet, he wasn't. If his wife was, then his SONS would have shown that. Yet, they didn't.

We should not let the FEAR of the Israelites... such that they DEEMED large/tall men as "sons of the Nephilim" cause US to believe that the Flood did NOT destroy ALL flesh... except that which was on the Ark.

True, the Numbers account speaks of this offspring. But we have to keep some things in mind:

1. The Hebrew is a translation from the GREEK, which was translated from Phonoecian/Aramaic... and which translation our dear Lord CONDEMNED; hence,

2. What should we believe? The work of the scribes... or the voice of the One who guided the ORIGINAL writing? I can (a) listen to my dear Lord and then check "the Bible" to see if HE is right... or I can (b) read the Bible, then check with my dear Lord to see if IT is right. Thus far, the latter has proven FAR more productive in producing TRUTH, than the former.

Per him, the "gods" of the Greeks, Norse, etc., the Baals, Murdoks, etc., are ALL... FALSE gods... based ON:

1. Lack of understanding about JAH (the Father);
2. Lack of understanding about HIM (Christ, the Son):
3. Lack of understanding about (other) spirit beings;
4. Misleadings by the Adversary;
5. Man's own desire to dominate man, which he uses FEAR to do;
6. Man's own imagination and limited understanding as to things of the spirit... and things celestial/terrestrial (for instance, the half-breeding of Christ, the SON of the MOST High God... born to a woman of FLESH).


We must keep in mind that the Hebrews/Israelites became a part of EVERY "empirical" society, from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Greece, and Rome... and so ALL of the "mythology" of these has SOME common "thread" with truth, some common reference to spirit beings and man.

After sharing all of this with me, however, my dear Lord asked me:

"Are you, though, REALLY concerned with this matter, child? Have I not provided you with sufficient truth to know that I do not lie, to you, or to anyone who ASKS of ME? Man WANTS to believe what man wants to believe... rather than TRUTH. I give you truth. As I give it to ANY who come to ME. Man can search the Writings. The Writings can and will mislead those who put their faith in THEM because THEY are NOT the truth - I am that One. Whoever WANTS truth, then, must come to ME, for it. Unless and until they do, they will continue in their confusion and bewilderment. being lost (and found) over and over again. And that is how it should be. Because only by ME will they be LED into ALL truth, and only through ME will they receive sight and hearing, even as to this matter."

I, SA, have shared as to these things with you, dear P, just as I received them from our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), Whom the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, SEND to lead "Israel" out of the darkness. The darkness did not conquer HIM, but he prevailed over IT... so that ANYONE going to and through HIM... will also enter into LIGHT... and TRUTH... as to ALL things. Things now, things past... and things to come.

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel