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I read that article Tammy. Those poor people. They are hemmed in with no choices and resources. It seems the big problem is because the Hamas are in power. Before that they less restrictions.

It would be like People in New York City not being able to leave the place and not allowed to bring in supplies. With hardly any place to grow produce or fish too. It's horrible.

Tel Aviv:



Our Jewish comrades did a good job. Bravo!
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In the mean time Palestinians and supporters cause chaos in Paris after their demonstration was forbidden:

Not to make TOO much light of the tragedies going on around the world as we speak, but just thought, "Hmmm, good thing dear hubby and I chose a road trip to the Grand Canyon... and Yosemite on the way back... for this year's vaca... rather than Paris" (which dear hubby's always wanted to see...

Sigh. Earthling man. Especially YOUNG men. Folks always know how to get THEM all riled up, yes?

Ah, well...

Peace to you, all... and ESPECIALLY if you're in/near Gaza, Paris, eastern Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Greece, a U.S./Mexico border town... Columbia... Venezuela... Indonesia... Malaysia... pretty much anywhere in Africa... DETROIT...

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Peace to everyone who loves peace and his brother. Amen!

ANOMOS - STOP this propaganda campaign against Israel

The name "Palestine" was a label made up by the
British government. The area was part of the Ottoman Empire.
Till WW1 and then owned by Egypt, Saudis, Lebanese land owners.
Inhabited by tenant farmers residing on rented land or large estates
owned by Egyptians and other land owners. There WAS NO State
of Palestine - ever- not historically- not now- Israel purchased land
and established a legal State, NOT by any acto of war but by buying
the land from Arab landowners and then allowing the Arabs to stay
within the borders of Israel s they chose to. Thousands left and vowed
war forever against the new land owners and Israel began to create
a legitimate functioning government, ( unheard of among Arabs)
Israel put in the roads, the electricity, the waste management,
the schools, the water supply, planted trees irrigated ( things no Arab
had done for two thousand years )
1948 the year the UN recognized Israel as a State.

The people living indigenous there had no land stolen from them.
They were Nomads, tribal, rented land on estates GET IT ????
The inhabitants were and are Bedoins, Nomads, tenants, and no Arab country has accepted them as immigrants when they were no longer allowed to rent the land they had RUINED and TURNED INTO DESERT.
The new owners , Israel, then became the biggest Employer of the
local former tenants. The new owners took over the land they had
purchased. Get the picture ?

Israel GAVE THEM the Gaza and instead of making it a peaceful functional place they spend all the billions they get on buying weapons from Iran and Russia and spend all their time shooting rockets into Israel. Its STUPID and they have destroyed the Gaza themselves and live in constant chaos, not because of Israel but because of Hamas and Hezbolla who are evil immoral
and RECOGNIZED TERRORISTS by the USA and Canada
and the UK and Europe. ANOMOS glorifies them and calls himself
a Christian ? ( peace be with you )

The Arab Agenda is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
Because they hate Jews. The Arabs have more land than Canada
and the US combined are are oil rich and refuse help to these
Palestinians and refuse to allow them in their countries !!!!!!

Edited some of your post villagegirl, right off the bat, for not abiding by the forum rules. Specifically:




I will ask that you also please respect the forum rules.


As for your post, I am fine to discuss it with you when I get the time (as others may also), but within the forum guidelines, keeping in mind to everyone what I posted that may have gotten overlooked, and I will repeat it here from an earlier thread:






Admin

Just a quick insert here before I leave for work:


One thing that is worth keeping in mind is that it is not violence from the Arabs (and/or Muslims) that the Jews were fleeing from before, during and after both World Wars, leading them to Palestine/Israel. It was the violence from the so called Christian nations, and so called Christians... not a one of whom were listening to Christ.


And it was the so-called Christian nations (in the form of the British, and supported by the rest of the west), who decided to give to the Jews the land of Israel (known then as Palestine). The so-called Christian nations sinned against the Jews, and then tried to make amends/assuage their own guilt (as well as for their own political gain), by giving them something that did not belong to them to begin with and that they had no right to give.



In a very very mild example: That is like one of my sons slapping the other, and then giving money out of their cousin's wallet (a cousin who had nothing to do with it) to make amends for the slap.


The Arabs of the land paid for the sins of one people (so called christians) against another people. (jews)

Please also keep in mind that before all of this, living in that land were muslims, christians and jews... without this great hatred that has sprung up around the establishment of Israel with the force and interference of the West.



Gonna be late now, lol...


Peace to you all -Villagegirl and Anomos, both of you also - truly, as my Lord gives peace and also Truth,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy

tec - You are misinformed - The British did not "give the land" to the Jews.
The Jewish Zionists had been buying up land in and around Jerusalem
since the 19th Century. Zionism was a national movement that
preceded the Nazi concentration camps and murder of 6 million
Jews in the Holocaust ( I am sure the anti-Semites here are also Holocaust deniers )

The area was controlled by the Ottoman Empire not the British. Then the French.
It was "occupied" by the Ottomon Empire, it was composed of 32 Provinces
The Ottomon Empire ruled by Calaphates from 1299 to World War1 and the Ottoman Empire
was dissolved in 1918 and replaced by French Control and International Control .
Lebanon was French. Syria was Independent under French Influence.
The territory after WW1 was divided by the Sykes-Picot Treaty.

( Any of you Elders here who denigrate and make women second class citizens
hold a University Degree ? Anyone? Show of hands ? No ? Thought not, your
big life achievement has been becoming a WT "Elder" ? Sorry not a real job. )

Here is a time-line of what happened in the Middle East for all you "Elder Experts."
http://www.vox.com/a/maps-explain-the-middle-east

Ummmm... dear VG... peace to you... and I don't think YOU bothered to review the link you posted. May I suggest you do? ALL of the maps... and especially nos. 16-20... I think you might find that you are the one mistaken here. I mean, I could be wrong but I don't think so. The maps in your links seem to agree with me on that (and on the FACTS shared by dear tec - peace to you as well! )

Please review those THEN let's discuss? If you still care to, of course.

Again, I greet you with peace... as Christ SAID his disciples should greet others.

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar, who was never an elder (I'm a girl, so... but would never have wanted the job... but I do have a JD degree... so...)

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BTW, dear VG (again, peace to you!)... in the sense of fairness, I think you owe dear ANOMOS (peace to you, as well!) an apology for your inappropriate, unnecessary, childish, and apparently churlish comments.

I realize that perhaps you come from a board where respect of others is often as microscopically discernable as respect for self when responding to something that one either disagrees with or perhaps gets one's goat/pulls one's chain. Or chains.

This is not that board, though, luv... nor is it that kind of board. "Heated" debate HERE, then, means more about "burning" passion than "flame" [throwing].

Don't get me wrong; your PASSION is more than welcome here. And if your zeal "burns" YOU up, more power to it... and to you. Given the PURPOSE of THIS board, though... and most of our reason for BEING here (i.e., to be able to share our passion as to God and Christ WITHOUT someone tossing matches at us... AFTER having doused us with gasoline)... you using it to burn OTHERS is most likely going to cause you to miss/overstep a forum guideline.

Since I don't want to see that occur with you... because there can be consequences (and so I'm thinking that you might not want that to occur either), may I kindly ask you to kindly consider "checking" your "chip"... at the door?

Because no one here is anti-Jewish or anti-semetic. Anti-christian perhaps and that can be a worthy discussion. But anti-Jew/semitic is a stretch. A huge one. I mean, just because some folks don't like the Black Panther doesn't mean they don't like blacks, you know? One is political. The other is racist. And there is a HUGE difference.

You are more than welcome, of course, to pick it back up again once you leave/are on another site but it's only going to cause/get yiu in trouble HERE.

Please consider it? Thank you, truly.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Map 16 - I am trying to insert it here.
1947: United Nations Partition Plan
1948: Arab Armies Invade

( Arabs had a fair and workable partition plan in 1948
with land equally divided )

What did the Arab nations do ?
Start building a nation ? NO they got up armies
and invaded Israel. YES folks - Arabs started this conflict.
NOT Israel. Yet you persist in painting this false picture
of Israel as the aggressor and the Arabs as victims.

Why ? Based on fact ? No. Based on what ?

Jerusalem was under international control under the
Corpus Separatum, it was a neutral zone. Surrounded
by Arab lands. Were the Arabs satisfied ? NO.

They wanted it all, they wanted to drive Israel into the sea.
And they still do. You all here paint Israel as the aggressor.
You see the history right there on map 16 .
WHO INVADED ?????? Arab ARMIES INVADED
As Map 16 shows - they INVADED - started a war -
Attacked -were the aggressors.

The picture you all here are trying to create is that the Arabs were "victims"
sitting there innocently minding their own business, when the Jews attacked them.
The OPPOSITE was true. Look at the Map 16 in the link.

a guest - you have a JD ? A doctorate in Law ? I do not believe it, based
on your writing alone. Writing clear and concise logical argument is the
basis of any law degree. Anomos - my name calling was imappropriate.
my language should have been more polite and I will do that if I can edit the post.
Anomos - you seem to dominate this site with large photos painting Arabs as
helpless victims and the ex-jws here all love it. Including the moderators.
And you dominate with your endless posts on an Apostate site ?
May be you should concentrate on the sins of the Watchtower instead of the
sins of the Jewish State. The Watchtower has killed thousands and prevented
millions from becoming educated or useful and has protected pedophiles
in their congregations.

OUTLAW - please advise me on how to insert a jp image into this and
tell me if there is a time limit on editing my posts.

VGirl, in order to insert a JPEG here on this forum you have to copy them from another website or photo hosting site like photobucket. You copy the properties of the photo and paste them here and then wrap the img button around the image properties.

I think we only have 35 minutes to edit our own posts here and then we have to ask the moderators to do it after that.

Just a tidbit, from 1947, at the partition plan that divided the land up, giving 50 something percent to the jews and 40 something percent to the arabs.... Jews owned only 7% of the land at that time. Kind of understandable to ME why the arabs (palestinian arabs) would have objected to the partition plan of 1947.

So first, yes, the British did give them the land, by giving them the right to immigrate into the Mandate of Palestine, in order to establish a Jewish homeland there. They did not own all the land that they were being promised. And yes, this agreement started long before WW2 (that's why I said before, during and after BOTH wars). Zionists applied TO the British to be able to do this. They HAD to have British permission, since it was the British who were holding the land in trust for the people OF that land, until they were able to stand independently. I have the letter somewhere from Zionists applying to the British, for the right to establish a homeland in Palestine.

Might have been a different situation over there if they had petitioned the people OF that land, and gotten their cooperation/blessing... rather than sidestepping them (or rather stepping OVER them), just as the British did.

Maybe, maybe not. Can't go back and redo it either way.


One other thing to consider is the relationship between muslims and Jews at the time Britain handed over part of Palestine for a Jewish homeland. Because either everyone was totally insane, placing Jews smack dab in the middle of an entire nation that hated them and wanted them dead... OR:

a) The extreme tension that we see today between Muslim and Jew was NOT present at the time. (again, Jews chose to come to the middle east and muslim nations... and AWAY from 'christian' nations and the violence being perpetrated against them there. So it was BETTER in the Muslim lands than it was in the 'Christian' lands.

b) The British, the Jews, etc, expected that the British would 'colonize' the middle east as they had done with India, and various other places in their history, and so they simply dismissed the possible tensions and stepped over the people of the land.


I would guess that it is a bit of both a and b.


Because if the tensions were not so bad at the time, that the Jews would consider living in and amongst these so-called 'murderous' arabs... then that tension AROSE from the occurrences AFTER that time. When the wishes of the native people (those living in that land) were completely disregarded and overlooked.



Seems also that the Christian nations forgot that God SEPARATED Ishmael and Isaac (Israel). Something my Lord reminded me of, some time back. Yet man decided to FORCE them together, taking from one to give to the other, and without respecting the wishes of the ones who were losing out, even if they were just losing a little. Now, if Israel and Ishmael had made peace between themselves, over the land of Palestine (or over anything else), that is one thing. (Because Ishmael and Israel have lived in peace -relatively speaking... this is MAN we are talking about -throughout the times.)

But that is not what happened.



Do I object to a Jewish state in and of itself? Not at all! No more than I would object to a Muslim state for those who are muslim (and those who might want to visit and see what that would be like). Or other nationalities, or minorities. For the people living in them, they get to be surrounded by people who understand them (even though there would still be racism, crime, hate, etc, as again.. we are speaking about MAN). For those who do not live there, it would be so cool to visit just to see another culture.

When I first remember hearing about Israel, and what I heard is that 'we' gave Israel back the land of Israel to make amends for the holocaust. (I was very young, and had no understanding of the issue). I thought that was good. I never once considered the people who might have been living there at the time. I guess I assumed that they agreed too.

Unfortunately, some people had to lose (their homes, their land, their dignity) for another people to gain. So the State of Israel is stained with that, and with the continued occupation of the palestinians. Same as my country (and the 'white man' in general) is stained with its treatment of native americans (though my great-grandmother is fully native american - so there is native american blood in me), and that will simply always be part of the history of this 'kingdom'. If Israel succeeds long enough, she too will be stained by the way she came into being.

That doesn't mean that Hamas (or various factions of the palestinians) does not have blood on its hands. They do, and no one is stating otherwise. No one hates Jews, no one is anti-jew or anti-semitic (that I have seen on here). If she could make peace with the palestinians... GREAT! I would LOVE to see both nations living in peace. Even the arab nations wish to see this, and many of them area against hamas also. (with the exception of Iran, although Iran is mainly Persian, not arab... right? i might be mistaken on that)


The only one here who seems to be against an entire people and religion (regardless of what nation they live in) is you, Villagegirl, with your feelings toward Muslims/Arabs. Again, I could be mistaken, which is why I say 'seems'. I apologize if so.


I think I am going to stop here, also. I don't know how long the above even IS, yet, lol. But by all means, anyone who wishes to look into the matter for themselves, please do so. As always, no one has to (or should) take the word of one of us for anything. Most often we say that in regard to sharing what our Lord has given us, that anyone can go to Him and hear the truth from Him, but it applies also in regard to any other matter.


And until He returns, man will continue to dominate and harm and kill his fellow man... and it is a rare time that any man or nation thinks (or admits) that it might be in the wrong!



Peace to you all, as Christ gives peace,
your servant, and sister, and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Thanks Zoe, for answering those questions about the forum. I was in a golf tournament all day, and so I was NOT here ; )


Peace to you!