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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtvM8yAe_-U

nicely done dude. this guy was good. johnny, i think you will agree.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Peace to you, skally!

I must disagree. Arguing one lie while embracing and promoting another lie... this is not something that I can agree is nicely done. I am guessing that you meant it is nicely done that he called them out on their false teachings... but what good is that really, if what you are then teaching in its place is also false?

Leave one lie for another and you still believe a lie.

The "born again" evangelist said to them that everything that happens is the will of God. The good, the bad, and the ugly... so to speak. As my Lord asked me - if that were true, then why did He direct us to pray that God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven? If nothing is outside of God's will... and everything done is according to His will... then why pray that His will BE done?


The evangelist also said to the jws that God is the one who pointed out the tree of knowledge of good and evil; that God is the one who sent the serpent to deceive Eve... that Eve never really had a choice... that it was God's will that she and Adam do as they did, failing a test that He set up for them to fail, then punishing them FOR having failed, even though they had no real choice because it was His will.

I mean, no wonder some - those who do not know that Christ is the one to whom they must turn, that Christ is the Truth and Word of God, and the One they must listen TO - stay in the wts when reasoning like that is what 'appears' to be the only alternative. Not just stay where they are, but where some flee TO, when fleeing the rest of BTG, recognizing the lies in her... but still not knowing CHRIST, and that He is the one to whom we must flee TO.


This is what my Lord has taught me:

Love does not judge someone for what they have not done. And while one (God) may know what is going to happen... love (God) always hopes! Hopes that those warned may hear and heed the warning and teaching, so that they may turn and be healed, and not perish or sin.


Because love does not prejudge someone. Love does not condemn someone for something that they have not yet done... and certainly does not set up a trick test that no one has a choice to 'pass'. Love WARNS and TEACHES... as God warned and taught Adam and Eve NOT to eat of that tree or they would die. As God warned Cain that sin was crouching at his door, and he needed to conquer that sin.

God also does not have to 'choose' not to know what is going to happen. That reasoning comes from not understanding that while God may know what is going to happen... LOVE (which God IS) ALWAYS HOPES.

God may know what another is going to choose - because of what is in them - but love warns, love teaches, love hopes, love is merciful and forgiving... and yes, love (God) provides a way BACK home for those who want to come back to Him. As He has provided in Christ. As He has also warned, taught, hoped, shown mercy, and forgiven.


And if God did not allow us to answer for ourselves against those (the adversary) who are accusing us (especially those of us who WANT the freedom TO show our love and faith for christ and God)... then is He not saying already before we have done anything wrong, that we are not able to have faith, or to love, or to resist the lies of the adversary, or to learn even if we do wrong, and perhaps turn and repent and be healed and do right? Could Noah have been revealed for his faith, or Abraham, or Job, or Daniel who is highly esteemed, or any of the prophets or any of the sons of God... been revealed OR been called righteous or faithful or friends of God or highly esteemed? Those beautiful gifts would be DENIED them.

Don't get me wrong. None of those men (and women) thought themselves to be anything special. They were humble before God, and servants to those God sent them TO, and they placed their hope and faith in God. But how could they have done that if He never allowed them the freedom to do that?


Thank God that we have Christ to teach, and rebuke (those I love, I rebuke and discipline), and subdue, and to help us up when we do stumble and to search for us when we are lost and call us back to Him. But as His Father does, so does the Son allow us the freedom to choose. To BE obedient. To exercise our faith and our love... and 'shame the devil' so to speak, and to show ourselves AS sons of God.



May those who wish them be given ears so as to hear the truth of God FROM the Truth of God: Christ. To also hear if they wish, when the Spirit and Bride say to them, to you, "Come... take the gift of the water of life FREE!"

Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

That was beautifully said and truthful!

Thank you for sharing this.
I didn't quite finish the video but I never got the idea that anything he said would ever make a JW stop and think that what they were teaching was not the truth. His arguments were very confusing to me personally and if I were a devout JW I'd be glad where I still was.

Love and peace to you all, Kim

Tec,

He'd probably, most likely, in all good faith, say exactly the same thing to you and your beliefs.

So, now what?

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Yeah, he might well do that, sKally. Certainly, it has been done countless times before, from when Christ walked in the flesh until this very day.

But as for now what... on MY behalf... I would ask him the question that my Lord GAVE me to ask him. (the one about why we pray for God's will to be done, if everything is God's will) My Lord often teaches ME by asking questions of me also.

I would share what my Lord has taught me, that I shared above. Depending always upon what the Spirit led me to do, I would use the source of authority that this man uses and believes in... to show him that even that book states that all things are not in subjection to Christ, and so not in subjection to God (Hebrews 2:8 ... yet at present we do not see everything in subjection to Him). Or this one:

John 7:17 - Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

And HE can ask Christ, the Spirit, for the truth - and if he truly believes as he later truthfully stated in that video that it is a knowing (an intimate union) with Christ that means eternal life, as opposed to 'accurate knowledge, or taking in knowledge' as the jws teach; then he should believe that the Spirit who is Christ CAN and WILL answer.



So basically, I would speak with him... share what I have been given from Christ... show him where that is backed up in writing if he wanted to see that also. What he does with any of that is up to him.


Peace to you!
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

And as Christ Himself said:

"If I have said something wrong, testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth, why did you strike me?" John 18:23

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ

Isn't is AMAZING, what we learn and can know, dear, dear tec (peace to you, luv!)... when we listen to and so are taught by CHRIST as to how to "THINK"?? When we have HIS mind (versus our own/man's)?? Does it not just blow YOUR mind... when it is "opened up" and you UNDERSTAND... JAH?? LOLOLOLOL!

Your "reasoning" above, based on LISTENING to what our dear Lord has said (to all, which is recorded for us), and to you, personally... is sublime. I am privileged to have you as a sister IN him. Thank you for sharing this as you did.

Peace to you... and to your dear, dear household!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Sublime is the perfect word. I had tears when our Lord told me this, and every time I thought about it, I kept choking up. I am blessed and grateful to have heard and to have been able to share with you, and all.


Peace and love to you my sister,
your servant, and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

some. times. i . pray.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I watched this video and a few others of christians debating jw's. and they all fail big time. In every video I watched I would have had these jw's on thier knees in 5 minutes. and pounded them into summution ... i've seen very few youtubes where they know how to handle a jw. it's a shame Skally we should have call the k hell night and show how it's done.

It does not surprise me at all that you pray some times, sKally. No need for the blushing smilie.

Peace to you,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I recognize that this statement is hyperbole, an exaggeration for rhetorical effect. Never the less, what is the point when we give witness? Is the goal to dominate another in a debate, to win one battle? Or is it to bring a mind, heart and soul to the Lord, to win the spiritual war? To impress or intimidate is not important, what matters is to succeed in the end.