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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:53 pm 
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May you all have peace!

Dear hubby and I were talking and he related how he had read somewhere where someone asked "How can you COMMAND someone to love you?" in reference to the title verse. The thing is, IS that truly the command? To "love" God?

It is not, dear ones. The "command" that Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) was referring was not TO love God, but HOW to love God IF you love Him:

"... with your WHOLE heart, soul, mind, and strength."

MUST you love God? As Joshua said to Israel once out of Egypt:

"CHOOSE who you will serve."

That choice was between the former gods served by Israel, the new gods of the peoples whose lands they were now in... and the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies. Choice, howevee, negates "must," and so Israel wasn't told that they HAD to serve JAH, but that they should CHOOSE which God/gods to serve.

And Christ was saying, to those who asked him (who CLAIMED belong to and serve God) as to the greatest of the Old Laws that you love God... "WITH"... your whole...

That for those UNDER THE LAW, both the Old AND New... that such love could not be DIVIDED, but "must" be WHOLE. A WHOLE "offering"... and not a partial... or LAME offering.

God does not command man TO love Him. He only commands man as to HOW to love him. And as mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, sisters, brothers... and particularly "Christians"... WE should understand the desire for that kind of love. As who of us want less than such love from those WE love?

Peace to you all!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:10 pm 
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Certainly a nicer way to look at it versus: "I COMMAND THEE TO LOVE ME!!!!!"


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:24 pm 
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Yes. A little while ago you wrote that command down, with the emphasis on loving God with your whole heart, soul, mind... rather than the emphasis on loving God as a command.

I'd like to say its funny how our eyes are so trained to see what they have been taught to see by man, and tradition, etc... rather than being taught the truth BY Christ; but I am not really surprised. I am still amazed to see what is truly written though, as opposed to what I have thought was written. Every time, I am amazed and love hearing the true meaning, and it always is an 'oh I see!!!!' moment.

Peace to you,
Your sister and servant and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:39 pm 
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Glad you "see" it that way, dear LQ (peace to you, dear one!). Its pretty easy when you see them through Christ. I mean, can you imagine HIM commanding his followers to love him? Or... do you see him telling them HOW to love him?

Big difference, there.

Peace to you, luv!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar, sending a wink and hug to dear tec (peace to you, as well, girl!)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:58 pm 
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[I don't like and do not obey commands.]

How can you command someone to love you, or even worse how to love you? Love is somewhat spontaneous.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:56 pm 
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"How can you command someone to love you, or even worse how to love you? Love is somewhat spontaneous."

Anomos: May you have peace.

I think that the “command” to love is “inherent” in any love/loving relationship, especially in a husband/wife relationship. Even if the word "command" or "thou shalt not" wording is not mentioned. Wouldn’t you agree? I mean, WHY say “I do” if you have no intention of being faithful, if you have no intention of loving your spouse with YOUR whole heart, YOUR whole mind, and YOUR whole strength (on a human level).

I think it’s a given that a husband would say “I do,” in promising his wife HIS faithfulness and I think a wife would do the same.

It’s a command INHERENT in the marital CONTRACT. It is no different with Jah and fleshly Israel and it’s no different with Jah and the Body of Christ.

The “COMMANDIS INHERENT” in the promise/contract to serve Jah or to serve one’s spouse.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:59 pm 
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Au contrare, dear ANOMOS (peace to you!). Spouses do it all the time, as do parents. I have absolutely NO problem commanding my husband to have no other wives, that should be take another wife/woman while I am his wife I would consider his love divided, if not totally fake and, therefore, if he wants me to think... no, KNOW... he loves me then he'd BETTER NOT mess with that... or I'm OUT. GONE. I'm sure he feels the same.

I want... and so I absolutely COMMAND that as a husband he is "whole" in his love for ME as his wife. Now, of course, he didnt have to CHOOSE me as his wife... nor does he have to KEEP me as if his wife. But if he DOES... well, then, don't be bringin' no BS melarkey, playin' with my heart, mind, and spirit. Go find some other chick to do that with.

And if he did, that would be okay - I don't want someone who doesn't want me as much as I want him. I wouldn't wish him ANY ill will. Indeed, MY love for HIM would compel me to try and warn him that the hoochie he's messin' with only wants his money and is gonna take him for a ride, then, when she's used him up and done with him, gonna set him up to be killed. I would do that EVEN if he didnt wanna be with me.

And all of that MORE so... if I was his god(dess) (praise JAH, he doesn't have THAT to deal with- LOLOL!).

And the same premise with God: the MOST HOLY One of Israel isn't saying anyone HAS to serve Him, choose Him as their God. He's just saying that if you DO... then:

(1) You can't have/serve/love any OTHER god(s) except Him (and the One he approved, His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah); and

(2) Since you CAN'T love Him AS MUCH as He loves YOU (He gave His SON for YOU, even while YOU were HIS enemy), at LEAST love Him by doing the ONE thing He asks OF you:

"This is my Son, the beloved. LISTEN... to HIM"

And the same is with the Son: if you love him... TRULY love him... you would do the things HE says. And you wouldn't have a problem with those things. Why? Because just as it does with spouses, children, parents, siblings, friends, neighbors, pets... stranger... even enemies... your LOVE... FOR him... would "lighten" any "load."

Our love for these others make us toil for them. Sometimes to our death. The love we (can) have for Christ can lead us to toil, as well, but a toil that leads to life. For us... AND for those loved ones.

But he doesn't want it if one doesn't want to GIVE it, luv. He does want folks to choose, though, and then be HONEST about that choice. Because no one's fooling HIM. Just as we can fool ourselves as to who we love in THIS world, though, we can fool ourselves as to our love for him... and thus for God.

I hope this helps!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:18 am 
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...ok.....so uh...hypothetically.. lets say ....uh there was someone who was....uh.....abused and stuff, and hates the world and everyone in it, except saturday morning cartoons.. BUT! they had no LOVE in them?

I would assume, there's a process on how to 'receive' such a love..and that would be through Christ.

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They could ask to receive love, certainly, to be able TO love. If they cannot ask, others who love them could ask also FOR them; for their hearts to be softened, for them (and their heart) to be healed (from the pain that some have inflicted upon them); and then continue to love and to show our love for them.

Then of course, they should keep asking... and also DOING... as Christ taught. Such as partaking of the flesh and blood of Christ, and also the 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'


Peace to you,
your servant and sister and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:10 pm 
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1 John 4:18-20:

"18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 19We love, because He first loved us. 20If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.…"

--Armand


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I drop the command and keep the inherent. ;-)


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Smiling back atcha. I hope you and your family are safe where you are.


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Perhaps you miss the point, dear ANOMOS (peace to you?): there was/is no command TO love God; the first and greatest command is HOW to love God if you want TO love Him. And while dear Armand is correct, that love is inherent in a marital CONTRACT, the fact that there IS a contract... AND divorce/breakups... shows that it'a not necessarily in one or both of the parties TO the contract.

In entering ANY contract, however, the parties have a right to set the TERMS, yes? "I promise to... if YOU promise to...". I have a RIGHT, in contracting for marriage, to say "Here are my terms: you can't have any other wives while married to ME. In exchange, I...", whatever my "offering" is.

Same thing with JAH. He didn't FORCE Israel to serve Him THEN, nor does He NOW. Nor does Christ. Unfortunately, you may have been victim of the LIE that most believe: that if you DON'T serve God, He will kill you. That is a lie and is NOT the covenant He made with ANYONE. Not with Adham/Eve, not with Israel of old, not with us. Before I share what He DID covenant, I'd like to share a little about contracts, which is actually what a covenant is ("contract" is modern word), if you will indulge me. Thank you!

First, a covenant... or contract... is a promise. To do... or not do (forebear) something in exchange for something else. Sometimes in exchange for money, sometimes in exchange for something else to be done/not done. There are two KINDS of contracts/covenants:

1. Unilateral, where one party promises to do/not do something even before the other party's but-in. A good example of this a per owner offering to pay a reward for the return of a lost pet. The other doesn't have to come and say, "Hey, okay, I'll LOOK for your lost pet and you pay me when I bring her back to you." No, the party can just bring FiFi back and he is entitled to be paid (and can sue if he isn't). That's because the pet owner PROMISED to pay ANYONE who returned his dear pet. This is not the most common type of contract, though. That would be a...

2. Bilateral contract, where two or more parties make reciprocal promises to do/not do something in exchange for the other party's agreement... BEFOREHAND... to do/not do something.

Regardless of which kind of covenant/contract, both have the same three elements which MUST be present to FORM a valid contract:

1. An offer;
2. Acceptance; and
3. Consideration (the thing of value that is the basis FOR the agreement)

The first two are pretty self-explanatory:

a. "I OFFER to/WILL PAY YOU... will do/not do... if YOU... do/don't do... will pay ME..."
b. "I ACCEPT your offer to do/not do... pay me... and in exchange I will/will not do/pay you..."

The consideration is a little trickier. It is the VALUE of the AMOUNT (of money or thing(s))... or the DEED (thing to be done)... or FORBEARANCE (thing NOT to be done).

When you have those things, you have the beginnings of a covenant/contract. I say beginnings, because contracts must also include TERMS on how it is to be CARRIED OUT. For instance, when the Acceptor/Offeree must do their part, HOW they must do it, WHEN it is considered done... when the Offeror must PAY... HOW they must pay... etc. Usually (although not always), someone also has to put up some kind of collateral, which could be simply their good name.

So, now to JAH. First, His promise to Israel:

1. The Offer - To be their exclusive God, having no other people as His chosen nation, in exchange for them having no other Gods... and loving their neighbor Israelite/alien resident.

2. The Consideration - To deliver them out of the hand of their enemies, give them the land of their forefathers, go before them and protect them, greatly prosper them, AND remember their spirits when they died and bring them BACK to life at some future point. These were the things of VALUE that validated His offer.

3. The Acceptance - The Israelites unanimous "yes." As a nation, certainly, but most importantly, as individuals.

4. The Terms - They had to listen to ALL that Moses said. Including... no ham, no shrimp, no tats, no sex at certain times of the month... and another 680 or so do's and don't's.

Did JAH put up collateral to show the Isralites His word was good, that He could "make good" on His offer? He did: he delivered them from Egypt, handling their enemies in the process, including 10 pretty remarkable plagues.

And once the Israelites said "Yes", He continues to make good on HIS part. They, on the other hand...

Now, lets look at JAH's promise to US, those of Israel and the nations who CLAIM want to know, serve, love, belong to Him:

1. The Offer - To be our exclusive God, having no other people as His chosen nation, in exchange for us having no other Gods... and loving not just our neighbor, but even our enemy.

2. The Consideration - To deliver us out of the hand of our enemies, primarily Death, and give us the land promised our forefathers, the "city" Abraham and others were waiting for... which will be the entire earth... im the meantime going before us and protecting us, to greatly prosper us SPIRITUALLY... and remember our spirits if/when we die and bring them BACK to life as kings and priests in HIS kingdom, at some future point. These are the things of VALUE that validate His offer.

3. The Acceptance - Any time anyone says "Yes, I (will) love/serve (you), God... Lord... Jehovah... Jesus... Adonai... Elohim... El... JAH... JAHVEH... Yahweh... Yeshua... JAHESHUA...", etc., etc.

4. The Terms - "This is my Son... listen to HIM"... and so WHATEVER that Son says, INCLUDING... "You must love God with your WHOLE heart, soul, mind, and strength," "You must love your neighbor/enemy," "Do not judge," "Eat my flesh/drink my blood," "Wash one another's feet," and about 9-10 or so more things... all of which are summed up in love God, neighbor, and even enemy.

Did JAH put up collateral, though, THIS time... to show that His word is good, that He could "make good" on His offer? He did. THIS time He put up the greatest thing of value in the universe, the thing that was with to Him than ANYTHING else. This time... He put up His own Son. And the blood of that Son. And brought that Son BACK... AS PROOF... that He CAN do what HE promised.

Now, the question is, for those of us who answered "yes" (and it doesn't matter if you answered it pursuant to the WTBTS questions, or the RCCs, or the LDS'... or you were 12... or 20. If, IN YOUR HEART... your INTENT was to respond to GOD with "yes"... then YOU accepted His offer.

With man's laws, you don't get out of a contract without performing with NO consequence. The courts may not punish you, but your your good name... and credit... can suffer. And if you KEEP not honoring contracts, eventually no one will do business with you. And so, no one has your back when your creditors come a-calling.

Same thing with the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies. He won't punish you; He's just less likely to go YOUR bail when your creditors come to collect. And Death... is a creditor. The wage is sin is death... and so SOMEONE'S gotta pay the wage.

Praise JAH, He gave His precious SON... the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One OF JAH (MischaJah) to pay it for ANYONE who want to benefit from the "Offering." Not everyone does, of course. Many still don't even know about it. Many more, however, PROFESS to know about it... and need our prayers. Because while they may know about and have accepted the OFFER... they have let themselves believe the lies of the FALSE christs and FALSE prophets... as to the TERMS.

I hope this helps, dear ANOMOS, and that YOU are given ears, if you TRULY wish them, so as to hear when the Spirit and his Bride say to YOU:

"Come! Take 'LIFE's water'... which water is the breath, blood, and seed of God... and is poured out from the innermost parts of His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... FREE!"

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar, who typed this out on her tiny phone so asks your patience with any typos, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:59 pm 
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I can add nothing to what dear tec stated, dear V (peace to you, both!). She said it well... and WAY shorter than I could/would have - LOLOL!

Peace to you both and to your dear households!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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'marital CONTRACT'. Where is that term mentioned in the first marriage in the Genesis narrative?

'CONTRACT'? It sounds more like a capitalist term. Please don't use such a term for something 'sacred' like the love between two souls.

Contracts, vows, terms, 'oh my God'! The more I search the more I freak with the monstrosity capitalists have created (read 'xian religion') to enslave the people.


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