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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:07 pm 
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Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

This verse is used by JWs as one of the "proofs" that some will live forever on earth. Let's discuss this, please. This is the ONLY verse in the NT that alludes to this. The rest of the "proof" texts come from the Psalms.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:17 pm 
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Suppose you have a wealthy uncle in another country you are unaware of. Suppose he dies childless and you inherit land in that country. You neither know where that land is and you never intend to go and stay (or even visit) there.
"Inherit" and "live" are quite different words. ;-)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:51 pm 
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They say "some" to support their LIE that "some" will go to heaven and "some" won't (but live on the earth), dear LQ (peace to you, luv!). But what is the TRUTH? That those who DO go to heaven... only do so for limited periods of time and for two (2) specific purpose:

1. To be "married" to Christ, which takes place in the spirit realm (where the Father is)... as it did long ago (the marriage was performed in the house of one of the parties' parents - because it has to be consummated forthwith - after which the groom would take his bride home to HIS house to live. Unless they lived with the parents, which was sometimes the case, depending on the wealth/land of the father) (Matthew 25:10; John 14:2, 3; and

2. To come in before the Father and give their "report" (Job 1:6; 2:1; Hebrews 12:22-24

Once married, those who make up the Bride of Christ... or the NEW "Jerusalem"... "come down OUT of heaven"... OUT of the spirit realm... and back to the PHYSICAL realm... UPON which they rule... OVER those who are not of that Bride (the "sheep" who are "separate" from the "goats"). Revelation 21:2; Matthew 25:31-46

This is because JAH made the physical realm ("earth") FOR them... and allows His Son to share HIS rule OVER it WITH them. Psalm 37:11; 115:16; Revelation 5:9, 10; 20:4-6

Will there be ANYONE in "heaven" (the spirit realm)? Yep! Because these will not be "LIKE (the angels)"... by means of the "white robe"... the incorruptible body that is of SPIRIT with GOD's blood (holy spirit)... versus flesh with ITS blood... they will be able to go in and out between the two worlds... LIKE the angels (spirit beings). Genesis 28:12; Job 1:6; 2:1; Psalm 1:5; 35:18; 82:1; 138:1-2; Luke 20:35; John 3:5, 6; 10:9; Revelation 7:15;

That's what ALL of this is about, dear LQ: the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... wants to give ALL He has to His Son. That Son, who, like his Father, is love... wants to SHARE that inheritance... and has chosen the seed (of the Woman) that is sowed among mankind to do that. So, the Father has agreed to "adopt"... by means of HIS seed... some of those for that purpose. Initially, that was to be the seed of Abraham, the nation of "Israel." That seed, however, proved itself largely unfaithful... and so unworthy... and so the privilege that WAS theirs has been transferred to people of the nations who exercise faith in that Son. However, some spirit beings believe THEY should receive the creation/inheritance... because they aren't whiney, puny, unfaithful, cowardly, sinful, etc., like mankind.

One in particular had his eyes on it from day one... and in order to try and GET it, teamed up with JAH's enemy... the (spirit of) Death. His "tactic" for wresting it from those whom JAH wishes to give it, through Christ, is to challenge those to prove they are "worthy". That challenge is that we are too selfish... and will give ALL we have for the sake of our own skins... even our (potential for) eternal life. Adham was the first to prove this... and many have proven it since. HOWEVER, both JAH and Christ have faith in US, that there are a FEW of us who WILL prove that Adversary, who is OUR enemy, wrong. And it is those of us who do... who will receive that kingdom... as kings/priests... and rule with Christ. By this, we PROVE that GOD is our Father... and so receive, as a REWARD... His mercy. There are others, though, who, although not able to keep the New Law (of love), BUT... due to showing love to Christ's brothers... become SUBJECTS of that kingdom.

Why isn't their love "enough" for THEM to inherit the kingdom as kings/priests? Because while they DO show love to Christ's brothers, they don't go all the way... to loving even their enemy (as God does).

And that's really what this is all about. I mean, there are more details, yes, but that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

I hope that helps!

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:11 pm 
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Amen My sister.....

And this IS such beautiful, amazing, awesome GOOD NEWS!!!!

Our father Jah is truly an awesome God. His son loves us so much he WANTS TO share his inheritance with us lowly, worthless humans.

We have not only never heard of such a thing like this in the wtbs, they make sure they take away ANY opportunity by denying individuals the opportunity to partake of his body and blood.

Thank you for sharing this,
May Jah continue to bless you and your household and give you His peace forever.
Your sister and fellow slave of our Lord, our brother, our head, our husband,our EVERYTHING by means of Jah Jaheshua the glorified Holy Spirit and our savior...Kim


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Well, I certainly need to correct THIS (dear 'Mom - peace to you, luv... and ALL praise is due our Great and Wonderful Father, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and His Beloved and Precious Son, our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah):

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Because these will not be "LIKE (the angels)"... by means of the "white robe"... the incorruptible body that is of SPIRIT with GOD's blood (holy spirit)... versus flesh with ITS blood... they will be able to go in and out between the two worlds... LIKE the angels (spirit beings).


I meant to post:

"Because these WILL be "LIKE (the angels)"... by means of the "white robe"... the incorruptible body that is of SPIRIT with GOD's blood (holy spirit)... versus flesh with ITS blood... they will be able to go in and out between the two worlds... LIKE the angels (spirit beings)."

My apologies to ALL... for any confusion my typing caused!

Peace to you ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:32 pm 
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Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.


I pasted this from the Blue letter Bible.

The word "Meek".

"πραΰς
Transliteration
praÿs
Pronunciation
prä-ü's (Key)
Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
Apparently a primary word
Dictionary Aids

Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 6:645,929
Trench's Synonyms: cvii. Additional Synonyms
Outline of Biblical Usage


mildness of disposition, gentleness of spirit, meekness
Meekness toward God is that disposition of spirit in which we accept His dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting. In the OT, the meek are those wholly relying on God rather than their own strength to defend against injustice. Thus, meekness toward evil people means knowing God is permitting the injuries they inflict, that He is using them to purify His elect, and that He will deliver His elect in His time (Isa 41:17, Luk 18:1-8). Gentleness or meekness is the opposite to self-assertiveness and self-interest. It stems from trust in God's goodness and control over the situation. The gentle person is not occupied with self at all. This is a work of the Holy Spirit, not of the human will (Gal 5:23)".

This refers the meek to being Jah's elect.



The word "Inherit".

"Transliteration
klēronomeō
Pronunciation
klā-ro-no-me'-ō (Key)
Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From κληρονόμος (G2818)
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 3:767,442
Outline of Biblical Usage


to receive a lot, receive by lot
esp. to receive a part of an inheritance, receive as an inheritance, obtain by right of inheritance
to be an heir, to inherit
to receive the portion assigned to one, receive an allotted portion, receive as one's own or as a possession
to become partaker of,".

This verse is not talking to those that would be living on the earth and would continue to live on the earth. But, it is in reference to those that are heirs; those that will receive and inheritance. The earth and that which is upon the earth (including the people that never left the earth) are part of the inheritance.

Along with what Anomos and Shelby said, I hope this will help you.

your brother in CHRIST

FinalCall


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:52 pm 
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Thank you for that, dear FC (peace to you, dear one!). I have to wonder sometimes, though, about man's definitions. For example, Moses was apparently called/considered a "meek" man. And while I can certainly see him in this:

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"that disposition of spirit in which we accept His dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting."


I am NOT sure I can see Moses (and so truth) in this, though:

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In the OT, the meek are those wholly relying on God rather than their own strength to defend against injustice.


Ummm... Moses killed a man, with his own hand (and so strength)... due to an injustice the man was committing. So, let's look at this from the POV of LOGIC:

1. Moses was called the MEEKEST of ALL men.
2. Moses used his own hands, and thus relied on his OWN strength, to KILL a man
3. Moses killed that man while defending an injustice

If MOSES was the MEEKEST of ALL men... then... LOGICALLY... the "MEEK"... CANNOT be "those wholly relying on God RATHER THAN THEIR OWN STRENGTH TO DEFEND AN INJUSTICE. Because the MEEKEST man of ALL... did just that: relying on his own strength to defend an injustice. Yes?

So, "meek" CANNOT mean what this author is saying it means.

Nor can I see truth in this:

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Thus, meekness toward evil people means knowing God is permitting the injuries they inflict, that He is using them to purify His elect, and that He will deliver His elect in His time (Isa 41:17, Luk 18:1-8).


I don't think JAH is using evil people to purify His people. No, that's not accurate; I KNOW He isn't. Because He is using CHRIST to do that! By "subduing"... as WELL as by means of his blood/holy spirit (which is what cleanses/purifies!). I can see why someone would push this particular part of the definition, though: it doesn't even MENTION Christ (prolly because the person who authored it believes JAH and Christ are one person... versus)... although HE is the "instrument" that JAH uses to "purify" His "elect".

Can't see truth in this, either:

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Gentleness or meekness is the opposite to self-assertiveness


Both Moses AND our dear Lord were assertive (at times, VERY), even self-assertive at times (although, rare), yes? As were the Prophets. Even Paul. Especially when dealing with hard-headed, hard-hearted, stiff-necked individuals of Israel... or outright opposers? But maybe we should consider the definition of "assertive" (from a non-theological POV):

"disposed to or characterized by bold or confident statements and behavior" (Merriam Webster)
"the quality of being self-assured and confident without being aggressive" (Wikipedia)
"Having or showing a confident and forceful personality" (Oxford)

Can you imagine if either ONE... Christ or Moses... or ANY of these... the Prophets, Paul, the Apostles... were NOT assertive?

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and self-interest.


This is accurate (NONE of these had any SELF-interest; ALL glorified God IN their assertiveness)...

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It stems from trust in God's goodness and control over the situation. The gentle person is not occupied with self at all.


Yes, as WELL as the workings of holy spirit... it's "fruit"...

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This is a work of the Holy Spirit, not of the human will (Gal 5:23)".


Yes! But shame... they won't give the glory TO that Holy Spirit! Do you notice, in this ENTIRE definition... not ONE mention of Christ... at ALL? You got God... you got "the Holy Spirit"... but no Christ. Not even AS the Holy Spirit. Even though, as the author states, it is HIS WORK in such one... and not their own will?

In contrast, if this is true as to the "elect"... that they are only "meek/gentle" because of JAH' spirit IN them, through Christ (which is entirely accurate)... wonder what "spirit" most believe is at work in those "evil" people? Somehow, I think the author would be of those who believe that NO ONE is evil, that ALL are God's children. Except for... well, who would be left (if ALL are God's children)?

This is a very good example of man's number: 666. CLOSE... but "no cigar." Unfortunately, we, mankind... will put our faith in such words, even though they DO "miss the mark"... because they SOUND "smart." "Smart," however, is not (necessarily) TRUTH.

Not trying to contend or "shoot down" what you shared, dear one, but just trying to maybe help you "SEE" what's REALLY being said in that definition. Hope I didn't offend, truly!

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:05 pm 
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Shelby

I am not offended by what you are saying. After reading what you stated I could see that God would not use evil people to purify His own people. Using evil people would be the same as saying that God used evil to strengthen and refine Job. This would be putting evil in a positive light. In essence, without evil people there could be no purified people. As you said, our Father is using His Son, through his blood/Holy spirit to teach and train those that belong to him.

Thank you for correcting the incorrect.

May your household have peace

Love, your brother

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Using evil people would be the same as saying that God used evil to strengthen and refine Job. This would be putting evil in a positive light. In essence, without evil people there could be no purified people.


YES, my dear, dear brother FC (peace to you, dear one, and thank you for not taking offense) - YES!! That's why we HAVE to be careful with what some/others "say"... because it is not always in line with TRUTH... but designed to SOUND smart, even "lofty." We have to test (inspired) expressions, including those that don't necessarily make a claim of being inspired. Test it against what? As you know, against our dear Lord. In this case, we KNOW it is our Lord who purifies us... NOT evil people (I can't even believe someone BELIEVES that!! As you say, it puts evil in a POSITIVE light - like the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... NEEDS evil! Say what, now??

And, again, Moses was called the MEEKEST man (by God), yet he killed a man with his own hands for committing an injustice.

We HAVE to remember: JAH's ways... are NOT... OUR ways. And some of the words He and our dear Lord used/uses... do NOT mean what "we" make them out to mean. Hence, we HAVE to look... and listen... to Christ... to know what WAS meant.

If we look at him so as to understand ALL things, then we can be led... into ALL truth.

It can be easier, though... to just let things "go." In some instances, that won't establish truth, but further perpetuate lies... and many don't have a problem with that... but WE, who claim to be the Body of CHRIST... should! Because if it is NOT truth, it CANNOT have come FROM him... or relate TO him... or God.

I am glad you were able to see why I HAD to respond as I did, my dear brother!

Peace to you... and to your dear household, as well!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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