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LOZ SAID


There is a sacred secret within this.. wonderfully spiritual stuff to debate. I think that it was so important that marriage (fleshly) was used to explain the most relevant and incredible spiritual message. I invite your comments?

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TEC SAID

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:10 am Post subject:
I think you are right.

Sorry, that is not much of a comment.

Bride of Christ...
Being One with Christ, as Christ is One with God; that all will be One... just as a man and a woman become 'one flesh' when united.

These are a couple of things that pop into my head.

I think perhaps there is some sort of 'spiritual' exchange of some sort as well, between a man and a woman. Certainly for some, there is a greater sense of connection.

Peace,
tammy

HAGGELOS SAID

And yet, note what the King James version states concerning this subject at Ephesians 5:

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

JUSTMOM SAID

Yes Loz

There is the spiritual that transcends the physical.
Those that belong to Christ are promised in marriage so they are considered yoked/one flesh/ and when Jah yokes you no man can separate you.

Being evenly yoked is remaining chaste as virgins to Christ versus yoked under another husbandly owner. That is why those of Israel that went to serve other gods are repeatedly called "adulterers" and Revelation calls Babylon the Great a harlot/prostitute. She should have remained yoked to Christ as a virgin but instead gives her self intimately to the kings of the earth (spiritual support and loyalty) as Her husband while partaking communion of Christ.

Thanks for that sharing
justmom

PSACRAMENTO SAID

And here I thought it meant that all Christians are married to each other and that makes orgies OK !!

Dagnabit !!

AGUEST SAID



There is, dear Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!)! To add to the other truths shared here I'd like to elaborate, if you will permit me (thank you!)... as most don't understand how that "union" occurs... or WHY. It is this:

JAH's holy spirit, His "life"... is His blood, breath, and seed (semen). Just as it is with man. No blood, no life. No breath, no life. No semen, no generation of life. People who deny the conception of our dear Lord in the woman Mary don't understand HOW such could have happened... or they attribute it to a person/entity other than the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies.

All that occurred, however, was that He put HIS spirit... in the form of seed... in HER. HIS life essence. This joined with HER seed... the life essence that was in HER... and our Lord was conceived. It was an "immaculate" conception because no seed was spilled to effect the act. The result was another "Adham", a being half flesh (per the physical vessel he inherited from Mary, a woman of flesh with ITS blood)... and half spirit (per the LIFE force in him... holy spirit... from JAH, a spirit being).

Adham was the same: half flesh (per the physical vessel than came from "Hagar," the earth)... half spirit (per the life for in HIM... holy spirit... that JAH blew INTO him... holy spirit in the form of His BREATH... to bring him TO life).

Both of these were children, sons... of JAH... be of HIS life and reproductive powers IN them. That power, however, had not yet come to full in either of them - they were not "mature" enough. Unfortunately, Adham never attained that power - by means of his choices, he sold JAH's regenerative power... HIS seed... to Death. That is how Death came to be captive over us all.

Christ, however, received more of that power when he came up from the Jordan... when JAH removed His spirit from the temple... and put it in our Lord. And from that point, our Lord used that power for all manner of good REgenerative purposes - healing, resurrecting, etc. But there was more, much more, to come. When he gave his life and then ascended back to the Father... he received FULL power! What does that mean? It means that while he previous powers healed/resurrected... they only did so TEMPORARILY! When his kingship was bestowed on him, though, he received "ALL AUTHORITY... in heaven AND on earth". He was GLORIFIED... and became the TRUE "Joseph," second only to JAH (Pharaoh).

Now... what to DO with all of that power?? Build the TRUE temple of GOD!! A temple made of PEOPLE... which people are "dedicated" to his God and Father, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies! But because JAH is holy... that TEMPLE must also be holy... and so its "materials"... the foundation, pillars, stones, etc., must be holy.

And that's where the Bride of Christ comes in - "she" must be a "wife"... clean, chaste, and loyal to her "husband" and no other man.

Unlike what many think of it today, marriage was (and is, actually) a CONTRACT... as is a "covenant." And so, when a "man" enters into marriage... the other party is his "wife" (gay marriage aside and beyond the scope of this discussion). Hence, when JAH instituted the Law Covenant at Sinai, those who entered into with Him... the "other party"... Israel... became His "wife." He considered Himself "married" to "her." Why? Because He took on the responsibilities of a HUSBAND as to "her" - He vowed to care for her, provide for her, treat her lovingly and tenderly, and protect her. In exchange, He asked for what MOST men want in a marriage: her love and loyalty, her explicit devotion, her respect, and for her to honor Him in her "household." To teach her children to love and respect Him... honor Him... and be loyal to Him, as well. Also, to keep His house "clean", prepare His "food" according to how HE likes it, etc. Everything a man wants in a "wife."

(Note, I said "in a 'wife'", because that is a particular role, actually, unlike today where "partner" is more accurate. Eve was to be more of a "partner" than what a "wife" came to denote - her error is what led to her being a "wife"... in the sense that her craving CAME to be for her husband AND he CAME to dominate her. It was not always that way... nor was it meant to be. I digress.).

Just as Adham/Eve were to "fill the earth and subdue it," so, too, the Christ. And like Adham... he is to do it with a "wife", a partner. HIS "Bride."

That "Bride" are those who are joined to Christ in the SAME way the Father joined to "Hagar" to create Adham... and to Mary to conceive our Lord: by means of holy spirit... God's life force! By means of the FULLNESS of God's blood, breath, and seed now in HIM... our Lord "unionizes" with US... his BODY. We are then CONCEIVED... IN THE SPIRIT... and awaiting a NEW BIRTH... to be born AGAIN... but this time IN THE SPIRIT! We have not been so born YET; however, the TOKEN that is holy spirit makes it "good as done"... and so one can say, for certainty, so long as they've made the calling and choosing SURE (i.e., received the "sealing"), they can say they are "born-again." It is not ACCURATE, but it is assured!

Because of this "union"... we, together with HIM... make up the "christ-child"... the Body of Chosen Ones to/of JAH (Mischa...Jah). He being the Head, and we the Body (of that "child"). I say "child"... because, by means of that union... we become ONE. Just as he and JAH are one. And so, by means of God's REPRODUCTIVE power now in HIM... he "conceives" children FOR God.

This occurs because, through Christ, GOD's seed combines with the seed of God's SPIRITUAL wife... "Sarah"... who is "Jerusalem Above"... the SPIRIT realm... which/who is FREE. And because SHE is free... HER children... those seed who are fertilized by God's holy spirit... HIS seed... are not bound to the physical vessel, but are given "white robes"... SPIRIT vessels... which are incorruptible and immortal. They don't sleep, rest, pee, poop. They are not bound to size or strength, or anything that flesh with IT'S blood is bound to. Except two things: like physical man, they must also eat... and drink. But, like all spirit beings who wish to live (eternally), they eat ONLY from the Tree of Life... which is the Christ... and drink from the river/fountain that flows FROM him. They do not require physical food/drink.

They eat the "leaves" of that Tree (of Life, which Christ is!)... which is his flesh... and drink the "water"... which is his blood. They do it now, symbolically, but... like Adham/Eve and all spirit beings (Adham/Eve being half spirit)... they must and will do so as spirits. Psalm 78:25; Revelation 22:1, 2; John 6:50, 51

Why a union? Why a "husband/bride" relationship? Because of same desires that JAH wanted from Israel... and responsibility to give TO Israel: in exchange for HER love, loyalty, respect, honor, and caring of his "house," HE loves, cherishes, cares for, provides for, and protects HER.

This not just an abstract relationship, however; it is not a unconsummated marriage. It is VERY much consummated... except by means of... yep, holy spirit. Through Christ, God gives HIS seed... now also Christ's seed (because it is him and he is the one that dispenses it)... to these. Just as man gives his to a woman. For God and Christ... this is a SACRED union because it is done as an ACT OF LOVE... versus union with a concubine (one who is in the union either merely as a means for physical release and perhaps even companionship... or solely to produce children). A wife, in the eyes of God and Christ, is one who is loved dearly... AS a man loves HIMSELF. And so, while a man may have affection for a concubine, even love... it is not the same as for a wife. A man doesn't usually make a concubine a wife (which is why she is a concubine). Because the wife position is for the woman he loves... AS he loves HIMSELF.

Now, of course, I know that there are "first" wives, and "second" wives... and so on. Those are wives by means of contract, union, cultural/societal dictates, etc. But there is only one TRUE wife... and it is the woman to whom the man gives more than his care and possessions to, more than he gives his protection to. It is the one he gives his HEART to. Which is why there was to be only ONE wife... and she until either she commits fornication/adultery (and so show herself UNWORTHY of the man's love and heart)... or dies.

Because Christ gives his HEART to his "Bride" (to each individual, individually), he is giving MORE than just his body... but ALL that he is (and because there is more than one for whom he does this, they ALL, TOGETHER... make up his "Bride"). And what he asks in return from that Bride... from those she is made up OF... is that "she" do the same: have NO OTHER husband than him. As a group OR individually.

Which is why such ones CANNOT adhere to the Law Covenant... because that is the Law "of MOSES"... Israel's "first" husband. Since the law of THAT husband was fulfilled... and removed... by Christ, HE is now the husband and so HIS law must prevail. Otherwise, one is committing "spiritual adultery" - living by the law of another man/husband.

Because he is a spirit, however, and not flesh with its blood... he is free... and so, unlike a man of flesh who can only "love" one woman at a time (even in a menage a trois/orgy - still only one at a time)... he can love them ALL... at any given time! And that love, that "union", is just as a man "loves" a woman: with heart, mind, soul, spirit... and body. The only different is that his body is NOT of flesh with its blood, but of spirit... and so it is the SPIRIT of the members of his bride that he "loves"... "knows"... as a man who makes love to a woman "knows" her - in the most intimate sense of the word.

It is an erotic love? No. Such is for the flesh, not the spirit. Where physical love excites the flesh, spiritual love excites the spirit! Where physical love requires members of the physical body (and not necessarily genitals, but certainly some form of "touch"), spiritual love does not. Its "union" goes far, far beyond that. It is PERFECT, in every since. No seed spilled, no undesirable reflexes or reactions, no obscene actions, no pain, no ups and downs. Perfect and all the time. And it doesn't "feel" like physical union (that is the PHYSICAL union)... because it is not physical. But it grants a greater euphoria, greater peace, greater sense of fulfillment, etc., because it IS greater.

[And for anyone who might be reading this - SA waves at the usual suspects - and want to try and sully it by trying to compare it to the physical (and I say try, because it really isn't even in the same ballpark, let alone same realm), I would say to you that to even TRY think along the same lines... is not only futile (there truly is no comparison between the two... one is physical, one is not, not by ANY stretch, and they are not alike in ANY way... except perhaps to leave one feeling "loved")... but asinine. If you're of the mind to TRY to make a... mmmmm... mundane... physical... obscene thing of it... go ahead. It will only show just how (very) small your mind is (and possibly another of your organs) and your inability to go beyond your own limited scope... and flesh. For which I pity you... because you truly have NO idea.]

And so, yes, there is much more to the "union" with Christ than just the word "union." It is a TRUE bond, not only in affections, but in spirit... and by means of the blood, breath, and semen... holy spirit... of God. All of these are LIFE... and all of them bind a "man"... to a "woman."

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

Thank you for the input everyone, this subject really fascinates me.
Shelby, yes, we agree on all this 1 Cor 6:17, 19, 20 covers it beautifully. It is almost as if physical marriage was initiated so that the spiritual could be understood.
In all related scriptures there is the reference about "man leaving his father and his mother and will stick to his wife" who do we think this 'father and mother' refer to in a spiritual sense? Or do acknowledge it to mean that the relationship with our physical parents is relegated now that we have the relationship as God's children Rom 8:15,16 ?
I've also been equally fascinated by the conception of spiritual sons, considering the combination of adoption/spiritual marriage/ heart circumcision descriptors involved. It seems to me that every anointing is a unique experience for the individual based on the unique means for understanding the event possibly. But there is evidently a 'method' involved to effect this conception that meets a spiritual criteria that we possibly may not yet be able to understand.
Then there is the issue of 'choosing' covered recently in Shelby's 'Christian' thread. The choosing fascinates me.....on what basis is a choice made?...heart condition?...faith?...I'm sure this is something we will get to know but for now perhaps it is as said in John 3 "the wind blows where it wants to".

Loz x

LARSINGER SAID

Christ was married before, believe it or not, to Satan! Thus the Church, a bride from the earth, replaces Satan's former position in heaven on Mount Zion.

When Genesis 3:15 speaks of the "woman and her seed" it means Satan and the rebel against who are opposed to Christ and his seed:

To Christ Jehovah says: "i will put enmity between you and the woman [Satan, your wife] and between your seed and her seed."

To Satan, the woman/wife of Christ, Jehovah said: "He [Christ] will bruise you in the head and you shall bruise him in the heel."

The two covering cherubs on top of the Ark of the Covenant represent Michael/Christ and the angel who became Satan. Satan, the most beautiful angel in the universe, was suitable of Christ's bride, of course, when created, before become corrupted by that beauty.

Satan is often depicted in Christian art as a woman, a snake-woman:



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TEC SAID

Welcome Lars.

To the serpent (Satan), God said:

"Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! you will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head and you will strike his heel."

He is speaking to the serpent above. Not Christ. Not even the woman. No marriage.

Peace,
tammy

AGUEST SAID

Lordy, dear tec (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!)... I've tried to tell dear Lar that same thing. Many times. Maybe he'll "hear" you... since he doesn't seem to be able to hear the Christ himself on this. We'll see. The lady ain't sung, yet... and I can hear her through the "Door", so...

Onward! Never give up! ... and all such manner of encouragement, dear ones! LOLOLOL!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID

Good Morning Lars


I'm just trying to understand between your intro and this thread........
Are you saying you at one time were married to Satan?.......

And because of his haughtiness/ personal beauty that he got caught up in he was cast off as "the cherub that was covering?.......

Did this cause the divorce or enmity?

just askin

justmom

GLADIATOR SAID

Larsinger58

I didn't think beliefs on this forum could get any more challenging but you have proved me wrong. Nevertheless I am intrigued as to who else you know in high places and how many thousands of years you have been alive. Perhaps more that a gladiator?

Why do I get the feeling that your avatar is about to give a two finger salute?

LARSINGER SAID

There were five principals involved: Eve, Adam, the literal serpent, Satan and Christ. God made pronouncement to each:

Serpent: you will eat dust, etc.
Eve: Birthpangs, desire for sex.
Adam: Ground cursed:
Satan: Christ will bruise you in the head, you will bruise him in the heel.
Christ: I will put enmity between You and Satan (the woman/your wife) and between your seed and her seed.

That's how I'm reading this. I understand this involves a cryptic reading. Even so, most recognize the bruising in the heel and head to be spoken to Satan and not the literal serpent. The only difference is that I include a pronouncement to Christ who was involved and who was there.

This all plays out in Revelation, though, when we see Michael and his angels (Christ and his seed) battling the serpent/Satan/the woman and her seed. Christ wins and Satan and 1/3 of the angels are cast down to the earth. Christ gets divorced in Eden, therefore and a new wife is provided him since he has fallen in love with mankind, so his new wife is made up of humans.
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TEC SAID

Oh, I totally agree with you that Satan is the serpent.

There really is no cryptic reading needed though, Lars. In this instance, there is only putting something where there is nothing. God specifically addresses the serpent when he states that i will put enmity between you (serpent/satan) and the woman. It is specifically addressed to the serpent. So the serpent is 'you'. So the woman cannot BE the serpent (satan)

"To the serpent God said".

Then, when God changes who he is speaking to, this is also specifically stated.

To the woman, God said.

To Adam, God said.

Christ is not addressed.

Though I agree He is in the account... as the Life (such as tree of life) Eat of Him; have life.

Peace to you,
tammy

PSACRAMENTO SAID

Since Christ is the Word of God it wouldn't have been Christ speaking to Adam and Eve, or at least God speaking through Christ.