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May you all have peace!

I had the privilege of engaging in a very interesting interchange over the past day or so which concluded with my discussion partner stating they were "aglow in the spirit." Unfortunately, I realized that the person doesn't really understand what the phrase MEANS, and that the WTBTS' use of it is quite inaccurate. I am going to post the truth about it here, though, in the hopes that perhaps they will see this and get an accurate sense of what the phrase TRULY means.

Per the WTBTS (NWT), being "aglow in the spirit," in synonymous with being fervent/zealous in spirit. The Greek word zeo (G2240), means:

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to boil with heat, be hot
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used of boiling anger, love, zeal, for what is good or bad etc.
fervent in spirit, said of zeal for what is good

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For some reason, the WTBTS chose to use the word "aglow," in two places in the NWT:

"Now a Jew named A·pol′los, a native of Alexandria, arrived in Eph′e·sus; he was an eloquent man who was well-versed in the Scriptures. This man had been instructed in the way of [Jehovah], and aglow with the spirit..." Acts 18:25

"Be industrious, not lazy. Be aglow with the spirit. [Slave for Jehovah]." Romans 12:11

Now, the obvious errors* in these two sets of verses notwithstanding, we have to consider why the phrase "aglow with the spirit" is an ERROR here... and the answer is very simple, actually. To get it, though, we have to look at what it means to BE "aglow" in the spirit. For that, we have at least two very good examples: Moses, Christ, and Stephen. Because the WTBTS error lies in their translation of the NWT, I will refer to that for these examples:

As to Moses -

"Moses then came down from Mount Si′nai, and the two tablets of the Testimony were in his hand. When he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face was emitting rays because he had been speaking with God. When Aaron and all the Israelites saw Moses, they noticed that the skin of his face emitted rays and they were afraid to go near him. But Moses called to them, so Aaron and all the chieftains of the assembly came to him, and Moses spoke with them. After that all the Israelites came near to him, and he gave them all the commands that [Jehovah] had given him on Mount Si′nai. When Moses would finish speaking with them, he would put a veil over his face. But when Moses would go in before [Jehovah] to speak with him, he would take off the veil until he went out. Then he went out and revealed to the Israelites the commands he had received. And the Israelites saw that the skin of Moses’ face emitted rays; then Moses put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with God." Exodus 35:29-35

As to Christ -

"And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light." Matthew 17:2; Daniel 10:6

As to Stephen -

"And as all those sitting in the San′he·drin stared at him, they saw that his face was like an angel’s face." Acts 6:15; Matthew 28:3; Ezekiel 1:13, 14

In BOTH of these instances, the person... Moses and Christ... were "aglow"... LITERALLY... because of having seen, received, been touched by... the GLORY... or light/dynamic energy... of God. Were/are they the ONLY ones, though? No. For Christ said to those who belong to HIM:

"Let YOUR light... shine."

What light was he referring to? The light of holy spirit! That light... is not hidden from others... unless WE hide it! How do we do that, though, hide OUR light? One way... is anonymity. Not OPENLY proclaiming who were are... before God, Christ, the angels... AND men. Why would we do that, though, hide our light... if we indeed POSSESS such light? Only one reason: fear. Fear of what others might say about us, say TO us, or do to us. Yet, if we belong to Christ, what CAN others do to us??

Some believe that being anonymous is a sign of humility. THAT... is a lie and false teaching of the WTBTS. What others of Christ's Body, from Abel to those of the first century (and later), hid who they were? We literally have NAMES; yet, how can that be if anonymity is our course? Are we not, rather, to SHOUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS what we hear from Christ, including who we (claim we) are? Or... are we ashamed of who we are, before "certain men"?

Perhaps we want to avoid persecution. But did not Christ say we would be HAPPY... if we WERE persecuted for HIS sake?

Perfect LOVE, however, casts ALL fear... let me state that, again... cast ALL FEAR... OUTSIDE. As a result, there is NO fear inside the kingdom of God... or for those who dwell in that kingdom.

One may have zeal... fervor... which some translate as being "aglow" with the spirit; however, it is NOT the same as being aglow with God's spirit. That GLOW is literally REFLECTING his glory... as Moses, Christ... and the TRUE sons of God DO. Even so, having a ZEAL for God... does not mean one has such ACCORDING TO ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE.

It is God's dynamic energy... His light... which is granted by means of His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... who is the TRUE Light that was sent to us. When we reflect HIS glory, a light is seen in and around us. And many can see it. Most don't LIKE it... can't LOOK at it... it makes them UNCOMFORTABLE... but they see it. And turn AWAY from it. As many turned away from Christ. Others are not ALLOWED to see it, as the sons of Israel were not allowed to see the glow on Moses' face.

But that glow is NOT abstract; it is not merely an ideal or a feeling - it is a literal reflection of the great light that emits from the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies. True, some beings (the glorified Christ, loyal angels, etc.) reflect that light MUCH brighter... simply due to their "close" proximity TO JAH. Others... cannot reflect even a modicum of it. For example, those spirit beings who are reserved in darkeness... "Tartarus." They cannot reflect even an ion of it.

Who can see that light reflected in those who belong to Christ? Others who belong to Christ, as well as their enemies. Those who belong to him are drawn to such light; those who are opposed to him are offended by it - it "hurts" their "eyes." "Demons" can see it... and they must acknowledge it. However... ISRAEL... CANNOT see it... unless/until they TURN... TO Christ. Until then, it is "veiled" to them.

Of course, I realize that some might consider this semantics, distinguishing between "fervor/zeal" and that being the meaning of the phrase... and the literal truth I have share with you here. That, too, is inaccurate, however. It is also human folly (to consider it semantics). We think that things important to US (for instance, all the little "stuff" WE (think we) want/need to know) is important to JAH and Christ. They are not. Yet, we often... usually, actually... overlook the "least" things which are important to THEM... and it is these "least" things that are HUGE as to them and their world, regardless of how "small" they are in ours. IF we are going to claim to be "aglow" with the spirit, then... then, we should at least KNOW (1) what that spirit IS, and (2) what it means to BE "aglow." And the sense in which the WTBTS teaches/uses it is entirely inaccurate.

Those who are still "bound" to even the smallest teachings of the WTBTS should consider letting it ALL go... ALL of it... EVERY iota, EVERY crumb... and tearing it ALL... their ENTIRE "house"... ALL the way back down... to the Foundation Cornerstone. And then, let HIM show/tell them how to "build" AGAIN. Starting with the examples of the Apostles.

It takes great courage to do that, of course, and even greater faith. Because one must LET GO of EVERY false teaching... which could be "everything" one knows. And tha can be scary, yes. But continuing to build on a foundation that was faulty to start with... or perhaps even "sand"... to put NEW "wine" into OLD wineskins... or NEW patches on OLD garments... and the end is already told us: the "winds" WILL come and the entire "house" WILL be blown away in the "storm." It WILL rip and tear, the entire contents spilling out. Christ SAID it would... and HIS mouth does not lie. Proverbs 8:4-7

The WTBTS, however, in their LACK of knowledge, "accurate" or otherwise, of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... OR His Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... have and still do lie about this matter. They do NOT know, and anyone who puts faith in even a modicum of their teaching ON it... are misled. Sadly, such may also be misleading others.

May those with ears hear and get the sense of these truths. May those who don't yet have them be given ears, if they TRULY wish them (Psalm 40:6), so AS to hear and get the sense of it... as well as to hear when the Spirit and the Bride say to THEM:

"Come! Take "life's water"... which IS the holy spirit of God, His breath, blood, and seed... the "oil of exultation" which is poured out from the innermost parts of ONLY One - His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... FREE!"

Servant to the Household of God... and all those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar, winking at those who read "The Paper"... and apologizing to those who did not for not being able to elaborate (sorry!)...


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Hi Shelbs,

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Unfortunately, I realized that the person doesn't really understand what the phrase MEANS


I mean this truthfully: I KNEW that would be the next thing you 'said'. And I chuckled because it most always IS the next thing you say in these experiences that you report on.
I, for myself, find it amusing.

I do not mean to offend. I just wondered, perhaps, maybe, if you were ever aware, or made aware of this dynamic in your reports, let us say, by your Lord? Meaning for example, he may utter to you : No Shelby, they understand. It is you perhaps this time, that do not.

In my observations when you say such things is that you appear to think you DO understand it all, best or better than anyone else, ever. And for me, it grates just a bit on my nervousations. Only my observations though. Doesn't mean it is at all the case. The nerve thing though. I mean that, sincerely though.

Peace to you too. I hope you understand. Perhaps not though. And that will be okay.
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The first thing I was reminded of when I read your thread title was the example of Moses... LITERALLY... reflecting the dynamic energy of God. Not symbolically or as a metaphor, but literally. So I thank you for sharing all that you received, and I can receive all of this that you have shared from the Spirit. (Christ, the Holy Spirit) Interesting also how some CAN see this light... and turn to or away from; and how some cannot see this at all.

It is also true... zeal does not necessarily mean truth.


Peace and love to you, as our Lord gives these things.

Your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
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I mean this truthfully: I KNEW that would be the next thing you 'said'. And I chuckled because it most always IS the next thing you say in these experiences that you report on.


(Smile) I am not sure why you might think it would not be, dear Skals (peace to you, luv!). I mean, I haven't changed much over the years, yes? But I stated the truth, that I realized... by how the phrase was used (pursuant to the NWT transliteration), that they DIDN'T know. Should I have stated that, literally? Some might say, no. I have nothing to hide, though, including what's IN me... and so my thoughts... so I didn't leave it out. For that reason, no one has to guess what was in me on the matter.

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I, for myself, find it amusing.


I want to say I can understand that, but I don't think like most folks, so the truth is that I don't. I THINK you might find it amusing because it goes against what YOU deem "appropriate" as something to post. We live in a society, some of us, where truth is... well, not always desirable. It must be watered down, tempered, even changed... so as to be acceptable. For some, even lies are better. I personally don't find someone actually stating the truth amusing - I find it refreshing, even brave sometimes.

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I do not mean to offend.


I can see that. I hope YOU can see that I don't/didn't mean to, either. And yet...

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I just wondered, perhaps, maybe, if you were ever aware, or made aware of this dynamic in your reports, let us say, by your Lord? Meaning for example, he may utter to you : No Shelby, they understand. It is you perhaps this time, that do not.


Not exactly. He does say that to me when I don't understand something. Not necessarily that someone else understands but I don't... but just when I don't understand, regardless of what anyone else does or does not. In such cases, his words are something to the effect of "No, child, it is this way" or "Is it not this way, child?", etc. But I can't recall him ever saying, "No, child, they understand. It is you perhaps this time..., etc."

The TRUTH, though, dear Skals... is that I don't know MYSELF... until HE tells me where the error is ("You can see that they don't understand/know the truth, yes? You must/should/may tell them..."). And so I TRY to tell "them." Even in private, sometimes. That I don't use the "right" words (as such are considered in THIS world)... well, I can only apologize for that; I use what I hear/am given. I don't make it up, add to it, take away from it, etc.

Contrary to what you (and others) might think, though, I know what I don't know, dear Skals... and that is almost everything. Especially these things - I don't know ANY of them; I only now what my Lord tells me. Where I don't know... I ask. Almost always him, but depending on the matter, sometimes others. Usually, I just ask him... and as a result I don't HAVE to ask others. I realize that that might "offend" others' sense of... well, "Why doesn't she come to ME/others... ask ME/others?" thing... and I am sorry that it does.

But I marvel at any who do think that way... and think I should go to/ask others. I have openly professed that I have faith in Christ. I cannot speak for ANYONE else... but I... MEAN that. In EVERY since of the word "faith." It is NOT merely some kind of abstract lip service for me. I have faith in HIM... and thus, in his words that, as a result of holy spirit, being taught by the anointing with holy spirit, and being led by HIM... I "do not need anyone to be teaching [me]"... because he and it "will lead me... into ALL truth." I wholeheartedly and whole-souled/spirit believe that. Without a doubt or deviation. And so I DO put trust and faith in what he tells me. My heart breaks for those who don't [have such faith/put full faith in what he says to them]... yet. It costs them SO much time, effort... and sometimes money... when they don't!

I realize, of course, that some... most... don't believe he MEANT ALL truth... but just "some" truths. Bible stuff. I have come to learn, though, that "all" truth means just that: ALL truth. Regarding ALL things. In this world AND his. That you (and some others) are unable to... mmmmmmmm... identify with, accept, agree with MY confidence in this is... what? Of no concern to me, dear one. It can't be. Else, I would become a slave led by YOU/others. Yes?

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In my observations when you say such things is that you appear to think you DO understand it all, best or better than anyone else, ever.


It appears that way to YOU, dear Skals... because that is how YOU think. Eye-ee... that it CAN'T be that such a one is merely telling the TRUTH... no, there HAS to be more to it. Why? Well, I have only recently come to understand why: because with YOU (those like you)... there IS (more to it). Always is. I had a perfect example to show me that, just 2 days ago:

I had parked my car in front of a church near the BART. After work, while we were on the train, dear hubby asked me, "Where did you park the car?" I told him: "In front of the church." When we arrived and he saw the car, he said, "Oh, wow! You DID park it right in front of the church!"

Well, I was a bit confused. I mean, that's what I had said, "in front of the church," yes? So I told him, "I don't understand. I said I parked it in front of the church. Why are you surprised?" He said, "Well, hon', sure that what's you said, but I was thinking you mean near the church, across the street from the church, on the same street as the church..." I was like, "Wha... huh?! But I didn't SAY 'near the church, across the street... etc. I said "in front of..." well, you get my drift.

And HE said, "Yes, you did. And I should have KNOWN, being it was you, that you MEANT in front of the church." He then explained to me that MOST people would take "in front of the church" AS "near the church, etc."

I am sorry, but I have GREAT difficulty understanding that. If "in front of the church" is not what they MEAN... then why not SAY what they MEAN ("near the church"). So, I ran this by some others... and apparently, MOST people DON'T say what they MEAN. Unfortunately, for ME... I don't know how to "interpret" what they mean, if they don't SAY it. And I don't know how to SAY anything OTHER than what I mean.

And so I am learning... a bit late in life, I must confess, dear Skals... that apparently MOST folks are like you in that sense: say one thing and mean another... and so have no problem when someone says one thing TO you, but mean another.

Something "you all" may overlook, though: there are some people in this world who, because of how they're hard-wired, can't really say anything BUT truth. Those consider "retarded" fall into this category. They don't have it IN them to lie. And no one take issue with them (nor should they); to the contrary, they are accommodated, if not overlooked (as they should be!)... EVEN when such "truth" would be considered offensive under different circumstances.

There are those at the other end of the spectrum, however, who may "suffer" from the same condition, one that some might even consider a "disability." These, however, are usually only accommodated by those who know and love them... or if they are recognized by "society." The rest are, well, let's say they're not received well by "society."

Most folks, however, fall somewhere in the middle... and lying is pretty much just a way of life for them. So long as no one is "hurt", it's entirely okay. The thing is, it's NOT okay with JAH and Christ. And so, one of my promises to THEM was to put deceit far away from me. Sometimes that means stating a truth that really is nothing more than truth... but others take offense to because of it BEING true. I am not sure that that's the problem of the one stating the truth... but the one who can't receive it. Know what I mean?

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And for me, it grates just a bit on my nervousations.


I know. Truth has a way of doing that to certain people. Sorry, but I'm only stating the truth. I realize that you would rather me water that down, say something like "Oh, I'm sorry, I don't mean to grate on your nervousations; I will try to do better!"... but that would not be the TRUTH - it would, IMHO, be me pandering to you, perhaps even patronizing. I mean, I didn't set OUT to grate, but I absolutely DO know that some, much, if not all of what I post will grate on SOMEONE's nerves. It's a risk I take. Fortunately, not all ARE offended - usually, those who know me are not. Indeed, they don't expect anything less from me.

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Only my observations though. Doesn't mean it is at all the case. The nerve thing though. I mean that, sincerely though.


Yes, I understand: that it doesn't mean it is the case... and your nerves thing, yes. I hope you understand that I meant what I stated sincerely, too... and that it was a realization based on an observation, as well... and that no offense was intended, either.

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Peace to you too. I hope you understand. Perhaps not though. And that will be okay.


No, no, I DO understand, dear Skals, TRULY. I am not so sure you... and some others... understand ME, though. And I'm not sure that there's anything I can do to change that. Some might say "change yourself," but then... I wouldn't BE me any longer, would I? So, I think I'll just continue to be ME and let you and others be YOU... let those who do understand me continue to do so... and let those who don't... well, choose to continue that, if that's what they wish.

I receive your wish for peace... and send one back to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar, who had some time on her hands today... and doesn't really mind the eye-rolling (I can't see it, so - LOLOL!)... and so, well, you got one of my more verbose responses... sorry - LOLOL!


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Hey Shelby!..
I have a reverse on your church Story..

My buddy moved..It was into farmland country..
He said you can`t miss my house it`s right beside the Big yellow Barn..
The big yellow barn is easy to find..All I had to do was find his truck in one of the yards..
I couldn`t find it..
So I called him and said where are you..He says I`m Home..
I said I`m at the yellow barn,I don`t see your truck..
Turns out his house was across the farmers field of the Yellow Barn..
I`d need binoculars to see the truck..LOL!!..

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because it goes against what YOU deem "appropriate" as something to post.


No, that is not it. I purposely did not elaborate on my observations. Just letting you know I was indeed observing. Paying attention, if you will. But again, you seem to think you know why I posted any of it at all.

Have a nice evening Shelbs!

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And yet what? I mean I see what you 'yetted', YET my understanding is that you are guessing again. That is my point. You have to make sure I'm wrong in my own observations and that you are right in yours, and others.

Doesn't work that way. And yet, you keep this thing going of telling others that they don't understand themselves or what they feel or think, yet you do, miraculously, somehow.

That is all I wanted to comment on. The fact that you are fully aware of this dynamic in your reporting of others life experiences; undrrstanding their experiences better than themselves, and no matter what they say to you....you understand it all better than they even do, is what is the irritation in what you write out that's in your brain...thusly, when you stated this:

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I had the privilege of engaging in a very interesting interchange over the past day or so which concluded with my discussion partner stating they were "aglow in the spirit." Unfortunately, I realized that the person doesn't really understand what the phrase MEANS


I mean seriously, how dare you ma'am. A privilege you clearly were not deserving of, as I have further observed. No one has to share or tell you anything about their connections with any spirit or god or whatever. Is this what you are doing as they are sharing with you, thinking you are equal in the engagement, yet secretly declaring they do not understand their own experiences, but you have it all figured out?

Yes, very nerve racking indeed Miss Shelby.

Thank you for allowing me to share, as I'm sure I do not understand one word I just typed and you will be glad to service me with the accurate understanding. :/

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See what I mean, dear Sher'f (peace, luv!)? Exactly that! LOLOLOL! How many people have gone MILES past where they wanted to be because someone gave them some vague-*ssed directions! LOLOLOL!

And I know "why" you posted, dear Skals (peace to you, too!): you stated "why," luv, and my verbose response notwithstanding, it's not THAT complicated - what I stated grated on your nerves, because... And, well, in a nutshell, you think me arrogant. I accept that but I don't agree with it. And so, I (not so succinctly, sorry, but I had the time) shared with YOU "why" I post what/as I do.

Bottom line, had you deemed it appropriate, it would NOT have grated but would have been like "music" to your "ears". As is the case with most things folks do... and do not... WANT to hear.

Peace to you, both!

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FYI: The edits are because I did not finish a sentence and had to finish a thought in another paragraph.

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See what I mean, dear Sher'f (peace, luv!)? Exactly that! LOLOLOL! How many people have gone MILES past where they wanted to
because someone gave them some vague-*ssed directions! LOLOLOL!

It was Pretty funny..There I am,in his yard..
Pointing at the Big Yellow Barn Across this Huge friggin Field..
I Said "This is right beside the Big Yellow Barn??!!..LOL!!"..
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zeal does not necessarily mean truth.


Nor does it [necessarily] mean possession of holy spirit, either, dear tec (peace, luv!). Saul of Tarsus was VERY zealous. So much so, he even participated in delivering up whoever he could to be put to death... because HE considered them as being AGAINST God.

Zeal is a good thing... only if it is according to accurate knowledge. Otherwise, can be a very dangerous thing. Ask anyone who's been or loved a victim of a religious terrorist.

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Who can see that light reflected in those who belong to Christ? Others who belong to Christ, as well as their enemies. Those who belong to him are drawn to such light; those who are opposed to him are offended by it - it "hurts" their "eyes." "Demons" can see it... and they must acknowledge it. However... ISRAEL... CANNOT see it... unless/until they TURN... TO Christ. Until then, it is "veiled" to them.


This is so relevant this evening. I shouldn't be surprised at it. My spirit bears witness with it, for sure.

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And yet what? I mean I see what you 'yetted', YET my understanding is that you are guessing again. That is my point.


Sigh. "And yet, I am not sure that you do." Didn't guess. Didn't opine. I hoped, yes, but was not sure. Was not CERTAIN that you didn't. Was not SURE whether you did OR didn't.

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You have to make sure I'm wrong in my own observations and that you are right in yours, and others.


(Smile... and shaking head). No, dear Skals (peace!). YOU are the one who guessed here. And it appears your "observation" was in error.

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Doesn't work that way. And yet, you keep this thing going of telling others that they don't understand themselves or what they feel or think, yet you do, miraculously, somehow.


I disagree. I didn't tell anyone that they didn't understand themselves... or what they felt... OR that what thought. I am SURE the one I mentioned understood what they THOUGHT: that "aglow in the spirit" meant having a zeal for God/Christ. I am SURE they understood. What I STATED was that they didn't understand what "aglow in the spirit" meant. I stand by that statement, and I base it on MY observations... of the content of our discussion. Now, that I didn't share THAT with you perhaps had led YOU to guess as to what I meant... but I know what I meant... and why I stated it.

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That is all I wanted to comment on. The fact that you are fully aware of this dynamic in your reporting of others life experiences; undrrstanding their experiences better than themselves, and no matter what they say to you....you understand it all better than they even do


Again, I must disagree with you, dear Skals. For the most part, I stay OUT of discussions as to others' life experiences. Indeed, I often turn the discussion to MY life experiences so AS to stay out of others. As you might notice, I consciously steer clear of personal stuff if/when I can. Why? Because I try to mind my own business. There are times, of course, when folks post as to something SPIRITUAL in relation to their lives... or something relating to the spiritual... or sometimes one will ask "what should I do/how should I handle", etc. kinds of questions.

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, is what is the irritation in what you write out that's in your brain...thusly, when you stated this:


Again, you were irritated at something that was TRUE. Who is that on, luv? But just so we're talking about the same thing, let's look at what I stated:

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I had the privilege of engaging in a very interesting interchange over the past day or so which concluded with my discussion partner stating they were "aglow in the spirit."


And this was absolutely, entirely true.

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Unfortunately, I realized that the person doesn't really understand what the phrase MEANS


Which is ALSO true. Given the ENTIRE discussion we had, I realized, when the person ended with that statement, that they DIDN'T know what it truly meant. I am NOT sure, though, what YOUR argument as to me stating that is. Except that perhaps YOU misunderstood ME. Whether you did or didn't, that you were offended... had your nerves grated on... could be FOR no other reason than that I stated the truth. Because there was nothing else THERE.

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I mean seriously, how dare you ma'am. A privilege you clearly were not deserving of, as I have further observed.


Dear Skals, I am sure that by now you KNOW I don't look to you for approval... or indication of what I "deserve." I don't think YOU "deserve," however, to assume what I was referring to... without having asked for further clarification so as to know whether what YOU "observed" contained all of the facts. Somehow, you managed to overlooked the part where I stated:

a very interesting interchange over the past day or so which concluded with...

Now, did I share the entire contents of that discussion? Absolutely not. Out of respect FOR my fellow conversant. I didn't even share whether they were male or female, young or old, a member here or not... nothing. I only shared my OBSERVATION... which I based ON that discussion... so as to share what the phrase actually MEANS. And I did that in truth, including providing support from the Bible FOR that truth, for any who need it.

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No one has to share or tell you anything about their connections with any spirit or god or whatever.


Nor have I ever said they did. Goodness, you have jumped to all MANNER of conclusions as to that discussion, have you not... and based on one comment. Interesting.

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Is this what you are doing as they are sharing with you, thinking you are equal in the engagement, yet secretly declaring they do not understand their own experiences, but you have it all figured out?


The God's-honest TRUTH, dear Skally... is that I am not thinking... but listening. I KNOW I am not equal in the engagement, so I do not lean on my OWN understanding. I have NO idea what MOST folks are talking about (since most is NOT done in pure truth, but always includes SOME deceit/deviation. Not all, of course - there are absolutely exceptions - but most). So, what I am "doing"... is listening to my Lord tell me what I am to know about it. And so, when the one stated they were "aglow with the spirit," my Lord said, "They do not know what that is, child. But you, do you remember Moses (and he showed me Moses coming down Sinai with his "glowing" face covered)? And Stephen (and he showed me Stephen, just before he addressed the Sanhedrin)? What about me, when I was in spirit (and he showed me himself, standing with Moses and Elijah)? What of the spirits in the Father's glory (and he showed me several beings reflecting the Father's dynamic energy - speaking to Ezekiel, speaking to Mary, Joseph - to Mary the Magdalene, the beings near JAH's throne...)"? All of those he showed me were LITERALLY "aglow"... with such glow NOT being some abstract presentation of one "feeling" like they were approved by God, etc., but literally being a reflection of the LIGHT that comes FROM JAH. Daniel 7:9, 10

I UNDERSTOOD what he was showing me... and why in reference to this term, "aglow with the spirit"... because of something else he has shared with me as to the Father and His dynamic energy. As I am sure others here now do, as well. Given our discussion, however, I realized that my fellow conversant didn't know... couldn't know... because their previous comments indicated they are not even in this line of thinking... yet.

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Yes, very nerve racking indeed Miss Shelby.


Well, dear Skally, I can understand that, for you, truly. There are all MANNER of ways of speaking/talking... posting... that can rack another's nerves. Trust me. I can only ask, for those whose nerves MY posts rack, including you, perhaps... if you can allow yourself to get through my long-windedness, then just consider the TRUTH of WHAT I am sharing... and perhaps try not to look so much for fault in HOW I share it. Of course, I understand if that's not possible... but I totally promise to do the same for others... even when they rant incoherently... as I am sure they don't MEAN to offend (wink!)...

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Thank you for allowing me to share, as I'm sure I do not understand one word I just typed and you will be glad to service me with the accurate understanding. :/


I think you understand what you typed, dear one. Not sure if you understand WHY, though - LOLOL! But you are quite welcome. Please, feel free to share ANYTIME. Just perhaps consider allowing me the same "privilege"? I would appreciate it and I thank you, in advance. Alternatively, if you KNOW my posts irritate you, you can always use logic and rationality... and your forum-granted freedom of choice... which might compel you to just skip them. It's what I (would) do.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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I am glad, dear Loz (and dear tec, peace to you, both!)... and rejoice... as I always do when a dear one gets it! What we are being privileged to know and understand is almost mind-blowing! But makes SO much sense, yes? I'm like, "Of COURSE, Lord! DUH!" Because, once you GET it, it's really quite SIMPLE. "Elementary," yes? LOLOLOL!

Peace, my dear sisters!

YSSFS of Christ,

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I don't understand... so much of what you write. I must admit, I do not read all of what you put in print. It must be filtered.

I Am A-Glow in [the] Spirit Shelby. Will you deny my own understanding of such too? If that requires me sharing, really sharing how I came to It...of my understanding. You simply do not have that privilege granted. It is clear you will tell me I've got it all wrong. And insert how I am to do such. And then I'll be pissed I shared it. And only have myself to blame for such a forseen risk. But mark MY WORDS...I am A-Glow IN [the ] Spirit. O-


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