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Justmom, I've spent all evening trying to answer your post on page seven.

I've deleted more that I've saved. I have saved my attempted reply, but my iPad seems to have messed it up and I just can't get it to be formatted properly. I'm going to call it a night.

I really felt that you were trying to understand where I was coming from, and I wanted to get my standpoint across to you. I don't know whether I'm going to be able to. Our spiritual life experiences are so different.

I'm so sorry. I'm going to abandon this attempt for now.

Not a problem Char, have a safe nights rest. I only shared what I did because my Lord reminds me all the time, that the same zeal and passion you have towards the RCC and its support as truth, is the same one that I had all my life in the WTBS.

Romans 10:2. " Having a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge".

You may disagree, it it totally okay by me. No need to respond. There honestly isn't anything you will be able to share with me to convince me that the RCC is " the true church" .

The WTBS and the RCC are just a little different versions of the same thing.

Moving on....

Love to you as always,
Justmom

The last thing I would ever try to do is try to convince you to do anything against your conscience, justmom. That wasn't in my mind.

However, I do see how strongly you believe that the Church is the same as the WT, and I suspect that view is held by at least four other regular posters here, and maybe several more quieter ones. I understand how much you view whatever I say through that old Watchtower filter.

I've written to you privately and hope that we might be able to find a way forward.

And here we go yet AGAIN! So patronising, so offensive, so seemingly oblivious to all past debate on this!

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

What's patronising about that?! You WERE in the Watchtower!

Good grief, can't you understand simple English, or are you also paranoid and see attack where there is mere statement of fact?

Good grief....

We were in the WTBS yes! But we have MOVED ON! We DON'T view everything you say about the RCC "through that old Watchtower filter" Char!

On the contrary we view everything you say through the filter of CHRIST!

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

I've been wanting to answer this post of yours, Loz. It was a good post and showed what seemed to be a genuine effort to understand and a genuine peaceable attempt to move things forward.

I was aware that it showed that the Watchtower, perfectly understandably, has left you able only to think of any form of organised religion as of wrong authority forcing people into a mould. That is the unfortunate result of years in the Watchtower, though in your case I think not born in, as you told me a bit of your story.

I see that you mention the body of Christ here. Well, that's your view, and I see that you say a bit more about that. Again, that is your view from your perspective. Not shared by all.

I see too that you end by professing that it has taught you humility. Well, in the light of your two posts to, or even at, me today, I'd say it rather looks as if you might have some work to do still on that one, though it's not for me to say. Wouldn't you think?

Well. Calm down, dear. Of course you do! You're bound to! It's inevitable, quite apart from being obvious.

I'm addressing just you on this, since those words were your own. On present showing, anyway.

If you really viewed everything I say through the filter of Christ, do you really think you would write and behave as you do?

Maybe you'd better check back with him. Those of us who are not so very sure of our own personal humility (see your earlier post) and more, don't take our own worth for granted, haven't swallowed the lie that we somehow can't sin, and so are checking back with him all the time.

I merely offer you that suggestion, Loz, as well as a contemplative re-read of Luke 18: 9-14.

You mean truthfully, directly, honestly? You don't think Christ did that? You think he "tickled ear" do you? Last night you were calling for direct and plain speaking on the forum!

The fact that you can't handle the truth we share and have NO apparent IDEA of the workings of the Holy Spirit on an individual, is on you, not me, or us.

I am today reaching the conclusion that you are actually here to play silly psychological games and wind everyone up. You certainly have excelled at that, unkind though it is.

Anyway, I'd rather poke hot needles in my eyes than continue with this so I'm off to do some chores. Light relief I suspect.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Only the Watchtower uses that term about tickling ears, Loz.

You make my point time and again.

You share what you think is truth. Despite your recent academic achievement, you see no problem in assigning to yourself and yourselves total truth. When questioned, you fall back on a version of "Christ told me" or Christ said to me" or "my lord said to me" and you see no problem in claiming for yourself personal messages from Christ about every day situations, or people who take a view other than yours in a forum.

Look at your opening words here. "You mean truthfully, directly, honestly?"

You are claiming truth!

To use Shelby's word of the moment, Loz, this is pure silliness. It's sheer arrogance, not humility.

Why do you get stuck on terms, Char?

The bible speaks of those who want their ears tickled (or itching ears... people desiring only to hear what they WANT to hear, and so listen only to those who tell them what they want to hear).

Is it a trigger for you somehow? (though this would imply that it is you who are still affected by the wts, and not those who couldn't care less whether or not the wts or the rcc or any other religion uses a particular term) Because it really doesn't matter who else uses the term if the term was used by Christ and/or those who witnessed to Him. Does it?

Peace,
tammy

Please also understand that you are not being ganged up upon... if that was yours or any others' thought. Instead, you have more than one responder in the hopes that we might help you to see... not so that we might condemn or mock or chase you away. But to witness to Christ and so to Truth, out of love for Him, first and foremost... and second, out of love for you and anyone who belongs TO Him and/or are seeking Him.

I am not sure what else may be said that has not already been said... and gone ignored. So I do not intend to repeat the same points over and over again (unless I am directed to, by Christ... by love... ).

But I did want to make the above clear.


Peace,
tammy

I'm not stuck on terms, Tammy. You missed the context. It just amused me that in one breat Loz denies the effect the WT has on her and in the next speaks Watchtower words.

Doesn't matter. You just didn't get the point.

No, you're quite right. Numerically, speaking, you are not all ganging up on me. I didn't say you were.

So much wordage protesting that you are directed by Christ. Could you all be protesting too much?

Actually, I think your words here show that you did not get the point.

Using a term that is also used in the bible... and by our Lord... is following HIM. (or perhaps something that another who belonged to Him used) It is not following the wts who might also happen to use the term because they do read their bibles. (whether they understand what they read is a different matter, because they often do not)

Do you see then that refusing to see or use a term... just because the wts also uses the term... is showing how they still affect you?



I think you have stated that earlier in this thread (that we were all bashing Char, or it was a Char-free-for-all)... so I just wanted to clarify. I am glad you know that this is not so.



I don't really know what you are talking about here. I think that our statements as to listening to Christ... our proportionate to your statements that we are not, that the voice we hear is our own, etc. (or perhaps even under-proportioned to your own statements that we do not)

So would you say that you are protesting too much?



Peace to you,
tammy

I realize you addressed dear Loz, Char (peace to you, both!)... but the hypocrisy is just too much for me to pass up, sorry. So:



Seriously, YOU posted that?? I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but this comment tells ME, again, that you TRULY do NOT know Christ. HE always spoke forthrightly, not pulling his words, and not trying to garner followers by telling folks what they wanted to HEAR. He even told his own disciples that they lacked faith, didn't listen to him, were trying God... AND that they weren't (yet) able to bear all that he had to tell them. Only a FEW stayed with him, dear Char... NOT crowds... because only a FEW could ACCEPT the truths he told them! MOST could NOT... because it "violated" their EARS! Some, when TOLD the truth... COVERED their ears... LITERALLY! And so MOST went off... and BACK to their FORMER way of worship: at and through the temple/priesthood arrangement in Jerusalem.

Which is exactly what YOU'VE done... but can't SEE. That we tell you the TRUTH about this doesn't remove us from doing what Christ did/would do - it puts us in his LIGHT. Because we are doing JUST what he did: TRYING to get folks to see that HE is the way, truth, and life... and that NO ONE comes to the Father... EXCEPT... THROUGH HIM. NOT through the temple and its priesthood... not through the Sanhedrin and its religious leaders... not through the WTBTS and its GB... not through the RCC and its Pope/priesthood. Not through ANYTHING or anyONE... except Christ. You are the one who is not LISTENING, though, but continuing to harden your HEAD and stiffen your NECK... and so, hardening your HEART.



Okay, so maybe YOU tell US: check with him... HOW, dear Char? Through a religion/priest/Pope? A book? But you take issue when the Bible is referred to! And YOU say YOU don't HEAR him speak to YOU... so tell us, please... HOW are YOU "checking" and how do you suggest WE "check"?

And if someone HERE lacks personal humility (as to GOD... because HE is the ONLY One we are supposed to humble ourselves BEFORE)... or takes their worth (WHAT worth? We have NONE... ANY of us... which is why we ALL... NEED a savior... because our OWN lives CANNOT save us... because they lack the WORTH to COVER our sins!)... for granted... or believes they can't sin... I am unaware of it. Well, except perhaps one... but he is no longer posting here...

But WE check with him... ALL THE TIME. As to ALL things, if not most. And WE openly profess that WE... HEAR... what he SAYS. YOU... deny that. So, check with him HOW? Please... "enlighten" us! But I am sure... ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN... that you won't. Because you CAN'T. You will deflect AGAIN... saying you're busy... or tired... or had something to post but "lost" it, changed your mind... whatever. Or, you will TRY and post something which will make absolutely NO sense, even to YOU ('cause you will try, failingly, to explain it, THEN give your "I'm misunderstood" excuses...). That is your STYLE, dear, dear Char.



Wait, YOU'RE suggesting someone read a "chunk" of Bible verses? YOU??! Oh, the hypocrisy! YOU might want to read that account... again... and see where YOU might "fit." Three fingers pointing back, dear Char... three fingers pointing back...

Good, Lordy... this just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser...

Ah, well, what can you do? It isn't within our POWER to draw one to Christ (that power belongs to JAH, alone)... or get one before the face of his Father and ours, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies. That power belongs to the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) and HIS Christ... alone! We're just servants... and merely good-for-nothing ones, at that. May JAH's will be done, then... and not ours!

Peace to you, dear, dear Char... and may you be GIVEN ears to hear... and get the SENSE of what we're TRYING to share with you, along with when the Spirit and the Bride call to you... AGAIN:

"Come! Take "life's water"... the holy spirit of GOD... His breath/blood/seed... which is poured out BY and from the innermost parts OF His Son and Christ... the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... FREE!"

YOUR servant, sister, and FELLOW slave of Christ,

Shel