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That's what Jesus told us. When he taught us how to pray, he didn't say to call God Jah, or Jehovah. His message was to call Him Father, actually Abba, or Daddy. That makes it clear.
Very interesting comment, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!). You NOW refer to what he "taught" us. Such is as stated in the Bible, yes, yet you only refer to a "snippet" therein yourself. Because, somehow, you seem to OVERLOOK that he ALSO taught us to PRAY... as TO the Father's NAME:
"Hallowed be your NAME/May your NAME be sanctified"...Now, maybe that name is foreign, even unknown to YOU, though, and so insignificant because it hasn't been GIVEN to you... yet. Because he didn't... and still doesn't... give it to just anyone. As HE said:
"I have made your name KNOWN to the men YOU gave me"...Notice, he didn't say, "I have made your name known
to the world."
It's also interesting that you choose to make your assertion, when he ALSO said:
"Do not call ANYONE "father" on earth, for ONE is your Father"...Yet you and those you worship with call MANY on earth "father." MANY. Then you ask:
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Look back at those passages. What was Jesus' purpose? Was he intending to define fatherhood or was he emphasising the need not to sin? Look for his intention.
He was absolutely defining fatherhood, dear one. Absolutely. And making no qualms about it.
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Thatx's the problem with out of context quotation. It's all too easy to make it seem to mean what a modern day speaker intends, not what was originally intended. Sorry to say it, but the JW's are past masters at it.
They are, but that's not what was happening here, at all... and your repeated attempts to deflect by using that accusation is just wrong. I realize you can't refute what we share with you, but to keep blaming it on our having been JWs, which association you vehemently argue you, too, were a significant participant in... while tossing a hissy whenever someone refers to YOUR association, learning, and beliefs as a RC... is just hypocritical. If WE are victims SOLELY of our JW experience, how can YOU deny that YOU are a victim of BOTH: your JW AND your RCC association?
In addition, your continued attempts to deny that anyone else here has had ANY experience with the RCC, although no one has shared ANY falsehoods as to that organization... while claiming to "know" what JWs "believe", yet consistently posting comments that are NOT JW beliefs... is dishonest.
We GET that you are trying to hold onto your long-held and beloved paradigms... and strongly entrenched beliefs... dear one... but your way of doing it is FULL of deceit. WHY??? Why not just refute... with substantiation/support... rather than continually try to attack, and not even doing that very well?
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In fact, you people call yourselves Christians
We do. So, apparently, do you.
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and I come to this forum on that assumption, in an ecumenical spirit of fellowship and desire to understand, and an acknowledgement of your sincerity,
While I'm sure you believe this, dear Char, I'm not sure it's entirely true. IF you TRULY... DESIRED... to UNDERSTAND... then you would listen and, if you disagreed... provide valid basis (other than you long-held beliefs) for why. Rather than stamp your foot and cry, "No, you folks are WRONG, because... well, just BECAUSE!" Which is what you're doing.
but when this sort of thing happens absolutely out of the blue in a thread nothing to do with, for instance, Catholics, then suddenly someone, in this case justmom with her mention of Mass, brings it in and then suddenly it's like an anti-Char free for all, out of the blue in the middle of a friendly discussion, and the disruption did NOT come from me.
Oh, stop. Dear 'Mom was simply responding with an scenario SHE thought might help you SEE. She meant absolutely NO offense... and you're only using this to deflect. It wasn't even ABOUT the RCC, but about how, LIKE SHE ONCE DID, YOU might be rejecting something simply because it didn't come from the "pulpit" of the source YOU need it to (right now). And I know you got that, because you ARE fairly intelligent. Intelligent... but misled. As many are.
Not very Christian, is it?
If by "Christian" you mean, does it comport with what most pseudo-christians want, need, and DO... lie to each other for the sake of agreement, ear tickling, common ground, good feelings? No... it isn't. Praise JAH! In following Christ, the TRUTH, however, we try to stick TO the truth... even if it means common ground is lost.
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I repeat. God is our Father. We are all his children.
This dogma is in opposition to scripture, and worse than that, Christ's own words. How can you possibly reconcile that?
She can't, dear Loz (peace to you, as well!). Which is why she's throwing out all of these "Hail Mary's" - to try and deflect. Which is understandable: if you can't beat 'em... throw stones at 'em. Nothing new under the sun.
Shaking head...
Peace to you all, even you, dear Char... as sharing the truth with you is NOT an intention to contend, but only to share truth. I look forward to the day when you can, rather than turn on dear 'Mom, which is repeatedly showing itself to be your way, you would just address the information shared... and refute it, validly. Which you would do, if you could.
YSSFS of Christ,
Shellamar
Shelby I just said "we are all God's children". Just that.
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