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Sadly, justmom, I think that we have come to the end of the line. I tried. I wrote with open heart.

The result is above.

Yes, it does occur to me Char, and it saddens me to hear of your disappointment and sadness. Very much, to be honest. That's why I try to explain carefully what is separating us, as do others. For the life of me I don't understand why you can't/don't understand or accept our explanations. Truly.

I wish you only peace.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Some "final" (perhaps), thoughts, then, if I may (peace to you, ALL!):



Forgive me if what I am about state offends, dear Char (peace to you!)... but I hope that rather than take offense you TRY to HEAR what I am sharing with you:

Exactly "where" are you TRYING to "go" with us? Indeed, are YOU... TRULY... TRYING... to go WITH us... or are you TRYING to get US... to go with YOU? If the former, then how can you reject what we share with you? Even you often acknowledge that things are TRUE. So, where, dear one, are you trying to take us... and why? From the responses here, can you not see that WE consider your "direction" as leading AWAY from Christ, not TO him? You rarely, RARELY... refer to him/his words. Instead, you often "opine" as to those forms of belief/worship that make you "feel good." And that's totally OKAY... for YOU. We are not trying to go with YOU on YOUR course, luv. We have REJECTED that course. We also don't TRY to take you with us on ours... because we know it is not UP to us. We can only share what we RECEIVE... whether others hear... or refrain. If you HEAR... WONDERFUL! Praise JAH! If you don't... that's between you and him. Right? But we don't take issue with you for NOT hearing (although, I have taken issue with your change in stance on whether you DO or not... and how... and whether you've changed your profession of that when it's convenient...).

Now, if you are TRULY... TRYING... to "go"... "with" us... then you can't (righteously) come HERE, can you... and take issue with WHERE we SAY we're GOING... or more importantly, WHO... WE say we're FOLLOWING... unless Christ himself SENT you to do that, yes? And you have NEVER made THAT profession. So, we have no recourse but to believe that either (1) YOU come... because Christ has led you here so as to "go with" US (and so, not we with YOU)... where HE is leading US ("into ALL truth")... and I have shared with you more than once that that is MY understanding, indeed, it was why he called you OUT of the WTBTS: to follow HIM)...

Or you have come on your own.

If it is the first (and, again, I have shared that I believe it is)... then it is you who is "pushing AGAINST the goad" (you know, that long staff thing-y that a SHEPHERD uses to guidesheep?) as to Christ, not us, yes? Because you are ignoring HIS leading.

If it is the second (and, again, I don't believe it is, but YOU might think so, so just to give the benefit of the doubt), then there is no basis or reason FOR us to listen to you... go with you... or change what WE know and understand to comport with what YOU wish us to [know and understand]. It is simply what YOU want/wish, YOUR will... and not what CHRIST wants/wishes... or HIS will.

And since HE is our Teacher, Leader, Guide, Master, Lord, Savior, and King... any expectation that we put anyone ELSE'S beliefs, understandings, opinions, assertions, assumptions, presumptions, or speculations ABOVE his... even hold them UP to his... is kind of ridiculous. Wouldn't you say?

If HE is the Truth... and we absolutely believe he IS... then what OTHER "truth"... and from what OTHER source... can trump HIM/HIS truth?

Yet, that seems to be what you are asking: consider that perhaps HE is the liar... and not you or those YOU follow.

Our FAITH, however... IN HIM... along with his either showing us where it IS written and/or his FULFILLMENT of what he tells us... TELLS us... it ain't him, luv. That he's not the imposterish perpetrator of truth, but the real deal. NO ONE else can say this. Not the WTBTS GB, not Pat Robertson, not Jimmy Swaggert, Billy Graham, Ghandi, Mother Teresa... or the Pope O' the Day, whoever that one might be.

Now, that YOU need to put YOUR faith in such others... rather than SOLELY in him... is on you. Your prerogative and thus your choice. And WE do not fault you FOR it. We try to admonish you AGAINST it... but our love for you hasn't failed because you DO.

And so, we have never written you off nor rejected you as our sister (in Christ). And we wouldn't, save blasphemy, in whci case, we CAN'T call you our "brother." The spirit won't allow it, luv.

YOU are the one who keeps resorting to rejecting us... because you can't get us to a place of "agreement" with YOU.

Do you SEE?



Yet, "hardly," is not "none," is it? Does there need to be MORE... than Christ and holy spirit?



It does to ME, but I don't think it's occurring for the reason YOU think it is. You (perhaps) think it's because we don't have a greater "common ground." For us, that's irrelevant, though. And so I think perhaps what you're experiencing is a feeling of "rejection." But we have NOT rejected you... or anyone. We do ask not to be attacked/harassed. Otherwise, to the contrary, we KEEP saying "COME!!" If you cannot "go with" us, though, then perhaps THAT is the underlying reason for your sadness: that like those who couldn't go with Christ when HE invited THEM... because their HEARTS was elsewhere... you cannot... because YOUR heart is "elsewhere." Indeed, we have been trying to help you SEE that - that it may be on people and things... OTHER than Christ... and his kingdom. A review of what you share with us MIGHT help you "see" how perhaps that is situation for you, too, at this time.



If CHRIST isn't enough, dear one... then I venture to say... nothing is. Nor will be. Not for US.



Then that's your decision, not ours. We can live with our decisions, as I am sure you can live with yours. But you know where we are... and we're not hiding from ANYONE.

Again, peace to you, dear, dear Char!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Hmmm guys but, can we, in a lesser sense that we have all been created by one Ultimate Being, be viewed as sons of one Father?

Now, because of freewill one may certainly choose a different "father", but it will not certainly deny the fact that we all came from that One source and nowhere else? In that sense, one becomes prodigal sons, lost ones, and that is why the Father is seeking endlessly for these ones, as far as it is possible even for Him. He loved the WORLD (all human beings), even when His own chosen nation Israel has failed him repeatedly, and made great efforts to save all of it (Jews and Gentiles), still making efforts to save it, BUT that world has to also want to be saved, and therefore obey the terms of salvation for their ultimate good. Even when they choose a different path, they are still His sons, by virtue of being creatures. But when they choose disobedience, the satan then becomes their "father" in a much more significant, ultimately tragic way.

As Paul said,



Paul proceeded afterwards to enumerate what God expects His sons to do...

apologies, I cannot explain the ideas much more clearly

I totally hear you, dear Kassad (peace to you!)... and what you state SEEMS to make sense. So, I had to ask and, well, based on what my Lord asked ME as a result, let me ask YOU:

Are the beasts sons? What of the birds and other flying things? Sea creatures? Were they not created by the same Being? Some even believe that spirit beings (angels) are sons... and they were certainly created by that Being. Yet, the Hebrews were asked:

"... to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?"

Or again,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”? Hebrews 1:5

Maybe the issue here is just what a "son" IS. We have men, earthly beings, who "fathered" us... yes? Yet, Christ is recorded as saying we are to call NO ONE on earth our "father." What did he mean by that? How can that be? I will share with you how:

The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, literally was my Lord's father... in that it was by means of HIS holy spirit (His SEED) that Mary was impregnated. He literally "beget" my Lord. We, however, are FIRST beget by men of FLESH. And so, we are FIRST... "sons of man." Yes? It is only when we are beget by God's SPIRIT... that we BECOME His sons. Not all ARE beget by that spirit, though. And so... no... not all are sons. Because a "creation"... creature... is not necessarily a SON.

When the Father said of my Lord, however, that "I have BECOME your father," and "I will BE your father and you will BE my son,"... He meant with regard to being born AGAIN... in the SPIRIT. THAT is what makes one a SON... of GOD.

If, however, it is as you assert above, then every scientist who creates a clone is that clone's "father," yes? Yet, NO SEED was involved. And it is SEED that makes one a "father" (one who begets). Or... adoption... as dear tec (peace, luv!) pointed out.

I have shared it with you JUST as my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... just now asked of and explained it to me.

I hope it helps! It certainly cleared that up for ME - LOLOLOL!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Hey Shelby.. another insight.. something to think about, thanks!

My Lord also said to me that creation is not to be confused with being a child. Because being a creation does not necessarily mean to be a child.

He also showed me how He had said to Israel,

"How I have longed to gather [u]your[/u] children as a hen gathers her chicks beneath its wings, but you were not willing."

YOUR children. Until a certain time that we choose and are chosen, and so become sons of God.

He also reminded me of the account of Adam and Eve... regarding leaving ones' mother and father (though also anything/one that has served as a tutor or parent, like the law or a religious institution, etc) to become married. "A man will leave his mother and father, and become one with his wife."

Peace to you,
tammy

You are QUITE welcome, dear K (again, peace to you... and to you, too, dear tec!). Here is one of the WONDERFUL things that I have come to learn, in listening to my Lord, dear K: we have all read where God's thoughts are not like OUR thoughts, yes? We even say this. Yet, when trying to understand/know Him... we consult with our OWN thoughts, which are "born" from out own HEARTS.

IF, however, we consult the TRUTH... His SON... Whom He SENT to teach, guide, and lead us... if we become ONE with that One, Christ, by means of holy spirit, which brings us into UNION with him... and so develop the mind... and heart... of CHRIST... then we can get much, much closer to the mind... and heart... of God. While we cannot FULLY know God while in the flesh, we CAN fully know Christ. Which is the next best thing, yes?

So, I would admonish you to try it. The next time you THINK you know something as to these matters, take a moment... stop... and ask. Then listen to Christ speak to you about it. Even if you THINK you know/are right. Just... take a moment. You may hear that you ARE right, and so you've lost nothing by taking a pause. However, you might hear something different than what you THOUGHT... something that blows the LID off what you thought you KNEW... but is TRUTH... and so you have actually GAINED.

(And I am saying that VERY mildly, dear one, "the next time you think you know something..." and NOT like "Oh, yeah?! Well, the the next YOU think YOU know something... you'd bedda ASK sumbody... 'cause you don't!" LOLOLOL! I wasn't even thinking like that... but then my Lord said you might think I was, so... LOLOLOL!).

One can learn a LOT... in just the space of a moment, dear one. Barely a few seconds. And trust me, it's worth the time.

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

LOL, thanks again shel..and tammy!

Good evening,

Just wanted to share a couple other verses that shows there is a difference as Tec and Shelby mentioned between creation and sons.



Rom 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

Rom 8:15
The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba,fn Father.”

Rom 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

Rom 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Rom 8:18
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

Rom 8:19
For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

Love Justmom

Thank you, dear 'Mom (mornin' and peace to you, luv)! Perhaps those verses will suffice to help others see what we mean. Even better if ones asked for such spirit for themselves (Luke 11:13), so that through it, they, too, can be taught by Christ himself as to the truth about these things. AND so that there is no longer any need by THESE to refer to the writings to corroborate... because that spirit will BEAR WITNESS within the one possessing it as to the truth of the matter. In the meantime, though, we do have the writings for those who might still need to see it IN writing.

Even WITH the writings, though, some have obviously taught "another" Christ to those who listen to and follow them. The WTBTS is just one of these. There are many, many... many... others.

Again, peace... and thank YOU for these verses!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Shelby, this is a reply to your long post above, but not quoting it to save space. You ask things like what do I want of you (I think) and where am I trying to go.

I just wanted to say that not everyone wants something of one, not everyone is trying to go anywhere with you (or without you.)

I've looked at that long post several times during the day. You're making all manner of assumptions.

Not everyone is that complicated, Shelby. Not everyone is scheming or making plans.

I am just myself.

I receive and accept that, dear Char (peace to you!). I asked because of your statement "There's just nowhere to go with you all..." and my curiosity as to where you WANT "to go." I THINK it's a "place" of "agreement", which, for you, provides some "common ground." But again, if that "ground" is outside/beyond/without truth... as such relates to Christ (and, for some, like me, to anything else)... then you're right: you won't get there [with us]. Which has been the point all along, luv.

I hope that helps.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

You just don't get it.

And do you not know that phrase, "there's nowhere to go with this/you,/whatever? Surely it isn't restricted to England? You know exactly what it means, and it is not literal. You, who can be metaphorical many times a day, know exactly what was meant yet you twist it to mean something that fits in with your theme. That's not a very good thing to do.

You are so determined that you and only you are right that you seem incapable of hearing or understanding anything that doesn't instantly say yes, you're right.

Shelby, sometimes you ARE right, and sometimes you're not. Just like everyone else.

One more time, you do not have a monopoly on truth, or on Christ or God, and your interpretation of him is your own and not, de facto, right, even though sometimes it is.

That is your problem. Your conviction that you are right, and those who immediately chorus agreement are doing you no service at all, nor you them, as they follow your lead and echo your words.

Sometimes you might be, often you're not. That's all there is.

Char,

CHRIST is the only one that IS the exclusive possession of TRUTH because he is the truth.

" I am the way, THE TRUTH and the life"....

So if we listen to him, obey HIS words not mans, there is a whole lot of " stuff" called doctrines that would not be taught because they do not originate with the father nor him. Stick to him, not mans teachings and lot of the confusion as to what he says would diminish.

I understand that you may not see what we are trying to share with you Char. It is why this invitation in Revelatipn is so awesome.

To " COME to him"...let all the other " stuff" go and just let HIM ALONE guide you to the fountain of water that is life- giving.
You don't need anything on earth to worship through other than him Char!

Love to you as always,
Justmom