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GOT it, my dear, dear brother P! THANK you... and PEACE to you... and your dear household!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shellama, who apologizes again for the misunderstanding!

Well, this is a fascinating subject! - not even a little "distasteful". Hope you all don't mind this 'newbie' bumping a thread you're probably already tired of talking about.
I just picked a random post to comment on and I haven't yet read every post of the 14 pages, so I probably missed some stuff so far...

I'd not researched this very deeply before and I thank everyone(so far) for their opinions, thoughts, references, and scriptural points to ponder. At this point, I'm not convinced that cremation is a contention from the point of faith - at all.




Imho, science, or at least whatever science says or tries to accomplish, has no effect on what God can or cannot - or will or will not - do. Science doesn't try to explain God - it tries to explain without God(generally speaking, and speaking of 'science' as an entity unto itself, which it isn't... sorry.). On the other hand, I believe that God created the facts around which all of the sciences orbit, and He doesn't need them to try to explain Him anyway!

Well, just a few thoughts... I hope you're not too bored and talked-out about this subject to discuss it more with me. (: It's all new to me, hehe!

Love and HIS peace to all!
<3 Watkins

Not to disagree with you, Watkins (and hello, by the way!), but surely science, by definition, is a seeking to understand, to gain knowledge. It's a continuous seeking. No scientist will claim to know everything.

God Himself is clearly beyond our understanding, of another dimension/reality, as it were, and full knowledge is His, but He makes Himself known to us through Christ and the Holy Spirit, as well as all Creation. Wouldn't you say?

If by "science" you mean the FIELD (of science), dear Watkins (peace to you!), I would agree; however, the very fact that our bodies come FROM the dust... earth... means their origin can be explained scientifically (the various salts, minerals, calciums, carbons, etc., that make up our physical bodies are found in the very earth they came from), as well as HOW they did so. The thing is, "science" doesn't have the knowledge, technology, or tools TO explain it. But it COULD, if it DID.



I think it tries to do both: explain with God AND without God, depending on the scientist, his/her beliefs, and his/her purpose IN finding an explanation.



And THAT is my point: if He created the facts around which science orbits, then science CAN explain... if science were that advanced. It is not. Seriously not. And no, He doesn't need science to explain Him... nor do we. He gave... and so we have... Christ for that. See Christ. See God. Hear Christ. Hear God. Know Christ. Know God.



I can only speak for myself but in that regard... absolutely NOT! By all means, let's continue. Your turn - LOLOLOL!



Same to you, dear one!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Oh yes, I do agree! I generalized far too much. I was thinking of the divide between believers who find science as affirming God - giving Him the glory - as opposed to those who seek 'knowledge' for the sake of academic accolades for which they take the glory... hope that makes sense. There are exceptions, and there are believing scientists in all it's forms, I assume.

He makes Himself known to us - yes, agreed! It was by means of Christ and no one else that He affirmed my faith, yes indeed!

Thanks for the welcome!

<3 Watkins

Great! Okay - I saw reference to this scripture - Jeremiah 32:33 They have turned their back to Me and not their face; though I taught them, [f](BG)teaching again and again, they would not listen [g]and receive instruction. 34 But they (BH)put their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, to defile it. 35 They built the (BI)high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to (BJ)Molech, which I had not commanded them nor had it [h]entered My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. [NASB]
As I recall, wt uses this in it's argument against 'hell'. But I'm thinking it isn't the way in which those children died that's the issue but that they were sacrificed to a false god - that is, burned alive. To God it was unthinkable to demand the sacrifice of our children. I use this as one counter-argument to the wt no-blood doctrine. But I don't see the connection with cremation after death. The sin for Judah was false worship/turning away from the true and only God.

Sorry if this has been posted before - it seems these questions we have are not new. (:
1 Corinthians 15:35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; 37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

So it seems to me that the distinct differences between 'earthy' or 'natural', and 'spiritual' bodies, and I don't get the impression that 'imperishable' springs from 'perishable', but is a completely new creation from the 'seed' which is our spirit, the only thing that isn't impacted by bodily death. I don't agree that it would take too much energy, for the God who created and radiates pure life-energy, to produce a new body "just as He wished".

I also thought of the tragic results of murder which ends in the murderer dissolving the victim in acids - gruesome, I know, but there is no identifiable DNA remaining. I know you said, Shellamar, that there must be exceptions to your idea that cremation is wrong - so how can we conclude that it is wrong? I can hardly believe God needs baby teeth... that seems to limit God's abilities and I think He is Good in a limitless, higher-than-our-understanding kind of way...

Anyway - a few more thoughts.

Love and HIS peace!
W

Nothing is beyond the realm of God or He is NOT God.
While God can't do the impossible ( do what is against His Nature for example or a logical inconsistency), when it comes to an expression of His creative powers God is without limits.

GREAT quote, dear Watkins (peace to you!)! Did you know that the "high places" are not locations, say, up in the mountains, but are things like pyramids? High "altars" like those constructed by the Egyptians, Asians (temples), and Native Americans? ALL of these practiced some semblance of the same hope held onto by the Hebrews/Israelites. The first buried their dead "under the altar". Revelation 6:9. The third sacrificed to their gods on TOP of theirs. ALL had a hope of a resurrection of SOME kind (either back on earth or in another "world", and so had many possessions... even livestock/horses... even mock armies... buried WITH them. The Egyptians removed the entrails from their dead because they viewed the "heart and kidneys," etc., in the way that is often spoken of with JAH (He "examines" THEM and so the spirit was believed to be IN them, the "vital" organs... with the rest of the body being merely the vessel that held the "spirit"). I digress.



Could be. I don't quite remember, but it makes sense. I mean, given all of their other NONsense. If so, this is just one more example.



Given what some cultures did (i.e., Sati, practiced by those from the East whose women, often merely children, burned themselves to death when their husbands died... http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)... and "bride burning", also practiced in the "east", including middle eastern now-Muslim areas http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning, brides often being merely children, too. The east also has a history of raising boys, from infancy, to become "service" servants (for use by men)... I can understand one thinking that might have been the issue. Remember, Abraham was called OUT of the east (due to where worship of JAH by those there had gone, including practices such as these)... to reestablish pure worship in a land JAH was to give him.

It was NOT unthinkable to JAH, however, to call for the sacrifice of a children. We have SEVERAL instances where such sacrifices WERE called for. Recall, He made such a request of Abraham... although He didn't let Abraham go through with it. And it was ALL of the firstborns of Egypt that were sacrificed due to Pharaoh's obstinence. Many sacrificed their children to JAH, both in body (remember Jephthah and his daughter?) AND in spirit (remember Hannah, who gave Samuel?). And surely you know that JAH gave His OWN Son as a sacrifice.

My understanding of the issue of cremation/burning the body didn't come as a result of reading the passage in Jeremiah, though. It actually started with my Lord explaining the SPIRIT, what spirit IS, what WE are, and how "spirit" relates to us and our vessels of flesh... what HOLY spirit is... how it works... and how we HEAR him by means of it. In that light, he started by telling me WHERE the spirit "resides" in us: in our blood (recall, the blood SPEAKS!). Which is manufactured by marrow. Which is... in the bones. He then shared that that is why the bones of men like Joseph, etc., were carried back to the land of Abraham... and why Ezekiel saw DRY bones, then such bones COMING to LIFE... when SPIRIT was put in them: because the SPIRIT... is in the bones. Which was one reason HIS bones were not broken (unlike the two men hung on poles with him).

He gave me several other situations to help be understand these things. He shared with me why, although EVERY other part of us "returns" to the dust... the bones do NOT (unless they are pulverized by the elements, etc.; otherwise, they remain - most often, the skull). He gave me more, too much to relate here... but took to me to why fire was an "enemy": why it was used by men such as Nebuchadnezzar (against Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah) and Hitler (against the Jews): in attempts to utterly wipe them out, body... AND spirit! He explained why fire was the END result for the wicked, including the Adversary, the "false prophet," and the "wild beast" (remember, they are cast into the Lake... of FIRE!). The REASON for this is because, although it also cleanses... in greater amounts fire DESTROYS... utterly. And although most any kind of deterioration will leave SOME scrap of DNA behind, cremation does not. Due the level of HEAT, DNA is completely destroyed during cremation.



Coupled with false worship and turning away, though, is HOW one engages in such worship/turning away. What one DOES... or does NOT do... can constitute a turning away, yes? Including obeying... or disobeying. NOT meaning rebellion (although it can be that)... but to the detriment of one's own life, both physical AND spiritual.



LOL! We have NO problem with re-posting matters here! Just note, that sometimes we will address them anew/afresh and sometimes a dear one will refer you to an existing link that might already address your concerns/curiosity.



Another great quote!



I agree that the "seed" is spirit... but it just as seeds have a "pod/shell"... which pod/shell protects it... so do we! And so, what is "sown" (buried)? Is it not the physical body, versus the spirit? Because it is our bodies that are sown (buried) in the ground, with our spirit returning to JAH... yes? So, for purposes of THESE things, the spirit isn't what's "sown"... or buried... but the (physical) body... or "pod/shell" is. Yes? True, it is

And what happens when you sow... or plant... BURY... a seed? It "germinates", right? What is "germination"? And does the seed entirely disappear/disintegrate? Or... does it CHANGE... into the "plant" that it becomes? Becomes a NEW [kind of] life entity (seed to flower... seed to tree... seed to shrub... etc.)?

So, for instance, our FIRST body (the physical... or "first"... man) is the seed POD... with our SECOND body (the physical... or "second" man) being the "plant" that results from the SOWING (burial) of the seed pod (first body). The difference between us... and, say, a plant seed... is that a plant seed pod is FULL when buried/sown (if you sow/plant an EMPTY seed pod... NOTHING grows from it. With those who belong to Christ, however, the "seed pod" that is sown/buried... the physical body... IS empty, the spirit having returned to JAH.

BUT... that shell/pod... must be CHANGED... so as to "house" the seed/spirit... which JAH pours BACK into the NEW "vessel". Paul addressed that when he stated, as you quoted:

"It (the body) is SOWN (buried) a perishable body, it (the body) is RAISED an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown (buried) a natural (physical) body, it is raised (resurrected) a spiritual body."

Thus, the body... is SOWN (buried)... then, like a plant (which is the NEW "vessel" for the LIFE in it)... CHANGED as it's raised up.

Paul addressed that when he wrote as to those who do and do NOT die:

"We shall not ALL fall asleep [in death] but we shall ALL be CHANGED. In the twinkling of an eye..." 1 Corinthians 15:51

He said this as to what Christ meant when HE said, to Martha:

“I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all." John 11:25, 26

What my Lord meant was that when he returned, the BODY of those who were in union with him but had died would be resurrected (and changed to spirit bodies) and thus "come to life"... at which time the BODY of those who were in union with him but had NOT died would be CHANGED (to spirit bodies) and so NEVER see death. NEVER die... having changed from the body of flesh (that can die) to the body of SPIRIT (which CANNOT die, but must be destroyed). Paul explained this, when he wrote, further, that:

"... we will not all sleep (in death), but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

Notice:

1. All are CHANGED, whether resurrected to a spirit body (those who have died) or changed from a fleshly body to a spirit body (those who have not died). The Greek word here, for "change", is "allassō", meaning "to change, to exchange one thing for another, to transform."

2. The dead are RAISED imperishable, so raised TO/IN imperishable bodies; however, the body that DIES... perishes. Returns to the earth. Disintegrates. Except... you guessed it... the bones! Those must be pulverized, burned, crushed, etc. Otherwise, they remain. Yes? The body that is RAISED does not disintegrate. Because it is IMperishable;

3. The perishable (physical body) MUST PUT ON (be changed INTO) the imperishable (spirit body)... and the mortal (physical body) MUST PUT ON (be changed INTO) the immortal (spirit body). The Greek word for "put on"... "endyō"... means "to sink into (clothing), put on, clothe one's self."

4. And when such does (the first PUT ON the second)... death is "swallowed up." Because death NO LONGER EXISTS... IN SUCH BODY (it only exists in the physical body). Because when it DIES and disintegrates (except the bones... and if there IS a body!), the first body puts OFF "corruption". When it CHANGES, it puts ON "incorruption". The spirit does not die. In order for IT to perish... it must be destroyed.

Now, does all of this make sense with regard to JAH? It absolutely does!! Why? Because... JAH is a "gardener/planter/cultivator/sower... of seed"!!

Genesis 2:8
Matthew 13:3
Mark 4:3
John 15:1



For those who belong to Christ, no, bodily death has no PERMANENT impact, no; only a temporary impact. For those who do NOT belong to Christ, however, it can have both. Christ himself resurrects those who belong to HIM... to "white robes"... or clean, SPIRIT bodies. As such, these have NO condemnation (Romans 8:1); hence, they aren't subject to the SECOND death (Revelation 20:6, 17)... in the "Lake of Fire." Those who do NOT belong to him are resurrected to judgment... and condemnation... the result of which is destruction in the Lake of Fire. Fire... because fire destroys the body... AND the spirit! Matthew 10:28 This is the "second" death... in which destruction is both bodily AND spiritual. It is called the "second" death because those who have died (bodily) are resurrected to life (to stand before the Judgment) and, having no "covering" (the blood of the Lamb, which cleanses them from their sins: it is the means by which (1) their sins are "blotted out" from the Book of Remembrance, and (2) their names are written in the Lamb's Book (of Life). And so THIS death absolutely impacts both the body AND the spirit!



That's fine... and I totally understand your position. I can only share what I received. What some, including you, might miss, however, is:

1. The "energy" it TAKES to create that first man (Adham). Remember, JAH started with just one... "split" that one... and then brought all others forth FROM the one/two. Why not just make a BUNCH of humans... as He made a "myriad" of spirit beings? We always look at man being "lower" than spirit beings... and this is true. In some ways, but not necessarily ALL ways.

2. The same pure life-energy that creates... destroys. Devastatingly. So, while WE may not understand JAH's "reasoning" behind creating/making/doing/undoing things as He does, I am made to understand that there are very valid reasons for them. This... the dichotomy between creation and destruction... and just how closely related they ARE... being one of them. It only took a breath to start it all... and it only takes a breath to end it. BOTH had/have to be precisely controlled so as to result in JAH's will. Whatever is "good" to HIM.



Interesting. I am not so sure that the process leaves NO identifiable DNA remaining, dear one. I have heard that if the contents are strained it can be determined that a human was present AND there may even be enough material to perform dental exam and determine DNA. I could be wrong, but that's my understanding (based on a case studied while in law school).



I may have been speaking rhetorically, dear one. Perhaps even hopefully... but that won't change MY mind as to whether it's wrong in JAH's eyes or not. Because it truly wasn't my opinion, but what I received from my Lord. And so, if HE says to me it's something "undesirable" to the Father, who am I to argue? I mean, I could try and "reason" about it, based on my OWN (very limited) understanding. But why? Since HE is the Truth... and his mouth always speaks truth... my course is to simply say, "Yes, Lord!" I leave the why-fors to him... put FAITH in what he said about it... then do MY best to do "just so." I cannot imagine that what I "think" I know could ever over-shadow what he does.



Yes, I understand. And, given our need for things to be SO... mmmmm... complicated... when it comes to God, I get that that particular thing might be hard to accept. But there are many things related to God... AND Christ, even... that MANY can hardly believe. Including things like faith IN God and Christ... or even the existence of these, yes? Doesn't make them untrue, though...



Consider, though, that perhaps it's NOT a matter of placing limits on HIM, dear one, but rather, not overstepping the limits He places on US. Which limits are NOT for His own ego... but for OUR benefit. Always! Unfortunately, many of us don't want to accept that there ARE limits... and so WE stretch His commands out. To accommodate OUR desire to do our OWN will ("Do not burn your bodies because..." "Oh, no, we can burn them because God can undo WHATEVER we do!"). We entirely overlook the TRUTH: that such warnings are NOT due to limitations in JAH's abilities... but for OUR benefit! Again, WE have NO idea the amount of pure life-energy that goes into creating, whether it be an entire universe (physical OR spiritual), a myriad of spirit beings, or one human. WE can't create ANY of these things... at least, not without some kind of detriment to another/others. Sure, the time may come when we can clone humans, but that is not creating. That is replicating.



Yes! And just a few more from me, too - LOLOL!



The greatest of love and peace to you. and to your household, as well!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Consider, though, that perhaps it's NOT a matter of placing limits on HIM, dear one, but rather, not overstepping the limits He places on US. Which limits are NOT for His own ego... but for OUR benefit. Always! Unfortunately, many of us don't want to accept that there ARE limits... and so WE stretch His commands out. To accommodate OUR desire to do our OWN will ("Do not burn your bodies because..." "Oh, no, we can burn them because God can undo WHATEVER we do!"). We entirely overlook the TRUTH: that such warnings are NOT due to limitations in JAH's abilities... but for OUR benefit! Again, WE have NO idea the amount of pure life-energy that goes into creating, whether it be an entire universe (physical OR spiritual), a myriad of spirit beings, or one human. WE can't create ANY of these things... at least, not without some kind of detriment to another/others.

I really appreciated especially this paragraph.

It's not a matter of Jah being limited but.... Its the fact that WE are so limited in our understanding of his " energy and dynamic power" therefore, when he says something it is only for our own benefit ALWAYS as you mentioned, even if we don't completely understand it at this particular time ( pieces of the puzzle missing). So faith and obedience to him is never a wrong choice.

Thank you for sharing upon this subject even further Shelby.

Love and peace to you and your family
Justmom

Because HE knows our understanding IS limited, dear 'Mom (peace to you and your dear household, as well!)... GREATLY... and so He TRIES to protect us. From our own "intellect"... or lack thereof. True, we know a "lot"... as far as man's understanding, as we know it, goes. But we are NOWHERE near knowing what JAH knows... as to our world OR His. Because such knowledge is beyond us... at this and various particular points in OUR knowledge... He TRIES to warn us, as to what is good AND bad for us. But, starting all the way back with Adham... "we" don't listen. We either conclude that He's withholding something from us that we SHOULD know/have... or, since He's Almighty God, He can "fix" whatever WE screw up. Even our own flesh.

We just cannot fathom that He isn't trying to PUNISH us... but PROTECT us. Not only from one another but, if necessary, even from ourselves.

Peace, luv!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Just wanted you all to know I've not abandoned the discussion, but have been prayerfully considering the research you've presented, Shellamar. I'm trying to put my response into some kind of logical order - yeah, we'll see if I can manage that, lol.

One point with which I'm most concerned is that you have used Jewish theology to support your views. That sets the alarm bells ringing in my mind and heart. The reason - they do not "have the mind of Christ" in any way, shape or form. They deny Yeshua Messiah. We can't, for one minute, forget that.

In any case, I do not read into the OT Law a general 'command' pertaining to cremation and your arguments are not convincing me as of yet. Besides, you surely know the Jewish sects do not all view resurrection in the same light; some not believing it at all and some also believe in reincarnation(Chasidic). The following quote is from http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CFAQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myjewishlearning.com%2Fbeliefs%2FTheology%2FAfterlife_and_Messiah%2FLife_After_Death%2FResurrection.shtml&ei=z7VaUoGQEIXBiwKCgIHoBg&usg=AFQjCNH3_TvaOiLQqi4za4MuTBMTCR6Jsw



If we go back to one Law, we must go back to them all, so, no more shrimp scampi or BLT's - a return to sacrificing bulls?
How could Yeshua possibly point us back to the old Law when he himself 'nailed it to the cross', having fulfilled it completely? Are we under the Old Covenant... or the New?

Another point - embalming also compromises/destroys DNA. DNA DOES degenerates over time, according to the climate and burial practices. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isogg.org%2Fwiki%2FAncient_DNA&ei=985aUvqgA6j4igLu6IHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGAp1L2Yzwb7_guF999yHZExf8rGg&bvm=bv.53899372,d.cGE

Just a couple of points I wanted to add before I forgot to remember, lol.

His peace to ALL!
Watkins

Greetings, dear Watkins, and peace to you!). By all means, let’s continue, dear one!



Please understand I mean NO contention here, but I don’t think that’s accurate. This matter predates the Jewish theological system. That Moses reiterated… some from “Judah” adhered… and some forms of Jewish theology recognizes it… doesn’t make it Jewish OR Jewish theology.



Not all Jews have rejected Christ, per se, dear one. There are those who are “Messianic.” However, having the mind of Christ does NOT mean rejecting God’s will and desires. Nor did the Law firstly establish them. For example, adultery was adultery even before the written Law. It’s how Joseph knew to flee from Potiphar’s wife. Even the Pharaoh of Abraham’s time… MANY centuries before Moses and HIS Pharaoh… knew about it. Which is why he took issue with Abraham for not telling him that Sarai was his (Abraham’s) wife. The laws EXISTED; they were just set down in writing because Israel kept showing that it was not written ON THEIR HEARTS. And so, JAH wrote it for them… on stone.

If, though, those laws are written, as JAH said they would later be… ON HEARTS… then Christ, the Holy Spirit, would recall them BACK to our minds. Yes? At least, those that still stand and are “summed up” in “You must love God with your whole HEART, MIND, and SPIRIT… and you must love your neighbor AS yourself.”



I understand. There were many things that I didn’t “read” in the Law, either, dear one… until my Lord opened my eyes. Even so, the OT doesn’t dictate, but the NEW Law does. If I LOVE God, though, then I will do what HE says… and listen to His SON, yes? And so I shared how it was THAT One who gave me “sight” so as to SEE regarding this matter. And as I’ve often shared, THAT One has said to me, several times… and I have openly shared many times:

“All that I tell you IS written*, but not all that is written* is what I will tell you.”

He meant all that he tells me IS written, but NOT necessarily in the Bible… and that everything that IS in the Bible is NOT truth. Because the Bible (1) doesn’t contain ALL scripture; and (2) contains a lot that is NOT scripture; and (3) many of the writings in it that ARE scripture as well as is not, have been tampered with. And I can put faith in that because (1) Jeremiah prophesied that the writings WOULD be tampered with Jeremiah 8:8); (2) Christ himself took issue with the “scribes” FOR tampering (“Woe to you… scribes, hypocrites!” – Matthew Chapter 23); and (3) Christ literally issued a warning against those who WOULD tamper with [the Revelation he gave to John]… which he would not have done if it couldn’t BE tampered WITH (why issue a warning against something that CANNOT be done? The warning would be moot!).

NOTHING that comes from Christ’s mouth is moot, however, dear one; EVERYTHING is true, accurate, and of value – Proverbs 8:6-). So, for ME, I have to listen to and put faith in what HE says… and trust in HIM (as such is trusting in JAH by default!)… “with all my might”

But my faith in what HE says NEVER goes unfulfilled. It’s there, luv, although perhaps not specifically spelled out. But if you ask for holy spirit… and then, THROUGH that, listen… as you look up all the verses regarding the bones… you’ll “see” it. Even despite the tampering, it’s there.

Please keep in mind, though, that my intent is not to convince you… or anyone. Mine is simply to obey. He said “Go, tell them what I’ve told and shown you!” and so I did and do. Whether other hear… or refrain… is between them and him, not them and me. The sheep don’t belong to ME, dear one; I am merely a servant OF the sheep… and a (willing) slave to the One they DO belong to.



I don’t, per se, but it seems logical, given how religion must conform to the will and desire of those who support them. And there must certainly BE some who are Jewish who don’t believe in a resurrection. There are some Jews who don’t even believe in God. My dear husband works for at least one… who claims to associate with several others. And I cannot imagine that there are no atheistic Jews. Indeed, I think there are quite a few famous ones. Not all who are Jewish by blood/nationality are religious. So, it doesn’t surprise ME at all that some don’t view resurrection in the same light… or in ANY light, dear one.




I don’t know either Crescas OR Nahmanides, or what THEY say about it, dear one. I only know the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17), JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)… and what HE has said to me. That’s all I can share with you: WHO said it and WHAT such One said.



This could be true, dear one… but what does it matter? We have access to the Holy Spirit, who is the HOLY One of Israel, himself! So, why not simply listen to what HE says about it? I mean, since (1) he is the Truth and speaks the truth (John 14:6; Proverbs 8:6-8); (2) he existed even before Abraham, and so certainly before these men AS WELL AS before the Old Law… AS WELL AS before such laws were FIRST written on the hearts of men… starting with Abel; and so (4) HE was there… and they (men such as Crescas and Nahmanides) were not?



If we go back to the Old Law, yes – if we transgress one, we transgress them all. The Old Law… or “Moses.” What, though, of those laws that PREDATE “Moses,” although perhaps reiterated by him? For example, again, adultery? Murder? These predated the law written on stone, did they not? The NEW Law, however, does not give us leave to COMMIT adultery, etc. It provides way to be FORGIVEN… SHOULD we do so. However, love FULFILLS the (Old) Law.

But this isn’t about which Law is better, dear one, but more about which is better – to sacrifice or to obey – and for WHOM? I was given the information for my household AND told to share it with others. Again, whether others hear… or refrain… is up to them. Well, them… and, depending on their heart… maybe Christ, too:

“The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

“But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. Matthew 13:10-17



We who accept the New Covenant… and ratify that acceptance by means of the blood of Christ, which we “sprinkle on the doorposts” of our “houses” (bodies) are under it, yes, dear one. But I never said this was a matter OF the Old Law. It PREDATES that Law, as other matters do, too.



I am not sure this is accurate, dear one. For one, your quote is with reference to aDNA. And while it’s trust that SOME kinds of embalming (i.e., that which includes the use of formaldehyde) may severely DAMAGE aDNA, it doesn’t NECESSARILY destroy it permanently; the damage CAN be undone:



However, perhaps you’re overlooking (1) mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)… AND 2) that degeneration, whether by embalming, OR exposure to the elements, etc., is with regard to DNA found only in certain TISSUE. These don’t necessarily affect teeth, bone, and hair, however, where the most and best DNA can be found. You don’t have to take my word for it, though; there is a plethora of information out there about it.



I totally understand and fully receive your reasons for sharing what you have. Keep in mind, too, that what we (think we) know NOW about these things… DNA, etc.,… by not be what “we” come to know LATER. Certainly, even knowing ABOUT DNA is a far, far cry from what “we” once knew, even less than a century ago. So, no need to shut the door on that topic JUST yet, IMHO.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you and your household!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar