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The Spirit deserves credit as separate from the Son. In human affairs you can't just speak to the most important person in the world, you have to contact a representative. The same is for the Son and the Spirit. The Spirit represents the Son who IS the Father and ALL are separate persons who equate to the Single Being or First Cause (Elohim). Absolute power corrupts absolutely so God is a system of checks and balances.

The Spirit doesn't operate the way you or Shelby say it does, Tammy. It's method of teaching is unknown to you (I say it because "it" has no real gender, not because it's lack of personage). I understand how it works, if you want to know more send me a private message. There's little reason to continue to speak in the public domain.

-Sab

Interestingly, the SON didn't say that. Only those who lean upon their OWN understanding seem to. Even so, MY understanding is that even among those who so lean... the Son isn't the Father.

But, ah, well... what can you do?

A slave of Christ,

SA, who knowns one can only lead a mule to the [One who gives] (living) water... after that, though...

The Spirit IS the Son. So credit to the Spirit IS credit to the Son, and vice versa.

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Yes, such as no one comes to the Father except through the Son.

Like no one came to Pharaoh for grain, except through Joseph.



that doesn't make any sense. The Son is the Father... but the son and the father are separate beings?

I, too, know of no one who believes that the son and the father are the same being, even in any of the various denominations... mainstream or offshoot. The trinity does not say this either, which you have been espousing of late. I don't think you understand what it is YOU think you understand, Sab.



The spirit you are listening to IS unknown to me, agreed...and I have no desire or need to know it.

I will stick with my Lord... no need for me to send you a pm. He does not lie to me, or lead me wrong.


Peace,
tammy

I am not listening to "a spirit", I don't know where you are getting that. I cannot help but learn what the Spirit teaches me. I then try to help others with my new found knowledge and perspective. Sometimes the process is subtle, sometimes it's not so subtle. I teach in the same manner.

-Sab

Of course the Son isn't the Father. They are three distinct Persons in the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One God in Three Persons, Holy and Blessed Trinity.

It's so simple a small child can understand it. And so deep the mystery is unfathomable, because God is God and far beyond human understanding.

Only arrogant humans who trust their own minds over God proclaim there is no Trinity, resulting in the kind of muddled thinking above.

LOL! ROFL!

*shakes head, chuckling*

Not that you're judging and condemning, of course, Tammy!

That is really funny! You rebuke Sab for doing not only what you have begun to do all the time, yourself, but you do it in the very same post!!!!

LOL!

It always works. Point a finger at someone else and you point four back at yourself.

"Judge not that ye be not judged."

Oivey....

*washes hands*

I am reading this thread folks .... I am thinking some of you take things way too seriously lol

Oh, Zoe, I was genuinely laughing in my last post, not nasty spiteful laughter but I thought Tammy's slip was actually very funny.

Ah well. Maybe it depends on your perspective. Personally, though, misrepresenting God is something I think is actually very serious.

Anyway, busy day, must get on...

If you believe it is so very serious Char, why then are you misrepresenting God yourself? Like this for example




Where you are contradicting scripture such as this





Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Well, someone has obviously missed the entire point OF the SON because THIS suggests not ONLY do we have a mediator between us and God (His Son, of course), BUT... a mediator between us and that Son (Christ). Goodness, gracious: why SEND the Son as His representative, if JAH's SON... ALSO needed a representative? Yet, as Paul wrote, WE are "ambassadors SUBSTITUTING for Christ." Not for some other "person".

Even so, if one can NOT speak to the most important person in the world (although, I think you mean the SECOND most important person in the world, if that One himself is to be believed... although yes, absolutely, we ARE to kiss HIM because kissing HIM is tantamount TO kissing the Father, so... but I'm a little pedantic about these things, as truth is VERY important, and seeing that there is such a LACK of it about them... including here, lately)... how did Paul speak to him (Acts 9:5)? Ananias (Acts 9:10-16)? Peter (Acts 10:13-15)? Daniel (Daniel 10:5-21; compare verses 5 and 6 with Revelation 1:13-15), etc.?



Okay, addressed THAT error already (and find it QUITE interesting that your protege, hasn't said a WORD to correct YOU but only to respond to ME and say, "Of COURSE the Son is not the Father"... even though I never said he WAS... curious that...)



Ohhhh, you ARE the very "wise sage," aren'cha? I'm thinking maybe not so much. Not just that you're bitin' off some old addage and even USING it with reference to the MOST HOLY One of Israel... but that you apparently even THINK that some man-made little ditty such as this APPLIES to Him. I mean... really? It only shows that not only do you not know the FATHER, but absoLUTELY do not know the SON. 'Cause, see, that's the thing: your little man-derived ditty applies to everyone EXCEPT the Father... and, once he proved himself... the SON.

Here, though, lemme help you out... so that perhaps you MAY see (but given your newly acquired position, perhaps not... but JAH is merciful... and there are others who might need to know):

"Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it."

"I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside."


Uh-ohhhhhhh... NO one? Absolutely NO one??!! Whoa, now, wait... wait for it...


"Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”

"Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”"

Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”


Oh, wait... there's (1) him that sits on the throne, and (2) the Lamb. One... and one... wait, isn't that... TWO? Where oh WHERE is that "third" person? Why isn't it to "him" (okay, "it", now) be the praise, honor, glory, and power?? What, are the other two leaving him out? Yet, how can they DO that?? Isn't "he" EQUAL to them! Where is "HIS" praise, honor, power, and glory??!! He outta stand up and TAKE what's HIS... yes? Hard to do, though, stand up... OR take... if you don't exist...

Just sayin'...




Not even gonna dignify that except to say that it is obvious YOU haven't a clue... by your words above AND those yet to come, starting here. Gimme a sec and let me handle your next error... and then I'll show you THAT, as well.



Well, THAT completely negates the whole "he" thing... which is the BASIS for those who believe "it" is a person, doesn't it?

[Note: I have to say, that this has to be THE most prevalent... and disturbing... displays of an uneducated exJW thinking they're so "smart." It's bad enough when they do it AS a JW, but when they come out and then try to convince others that THEY are "smart" (when nothing could be further from the TRUTH)... rather than relying ON Christ, the Holy Spirit... and the anointing HE gives (indeed, most have absolutely no IDEA about that gift... even denying it as being only for some small numbered group of Israelites... which group they still deny AS Israelites but consider "symbolic")... they are just embarrassing to behold. I am embarassed for you... because you aren't looking smart at ALL, but actually pretty... well, what's the opposite of smart? That.



Yes, sure you do. Your many changes (in your beliefs)... and erroneous statements as TO God, Christ, holy spirit, the Holy Spirit, etc., seem to indicate otherwise, though. But... I am sure you have an explanation for that. Something along the lines that it's not really in human language so when you try to explain it in human language you make a LOT of errors because, well, it's just too difficult and so folks needs to be patient with you because you know what you mean but you don't really know what you mean but you can say it only you don't know how to say it... etc., etc., etc...



Nahhh. Because SURELY your great wisdom is of similar great value... and so I'll just wait for your book. Only...
not really... because why buy what one can receive FREE?



Would that that were true... yet, here you are...

You are not making yourself look very smart, really. Here... or anywhere else. Not sure your (fragile) ego's gonna be able to handle that truth when it hits. And it will hit. Like a ton of bricks. Better get your crash helmet out...

A slave of Christ,

SA

Well, I didn't say it, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!) - LOLOLOL! I mean, I totally agree!



You might want to review my response to another, above. And then maybe read Revelation 5:1-14. Oh, but wait: the Revelation is off limits for you, right? Hmmmm... well, then, you might be missing a HUGE block of truth, then, seeing as it was given to John BY the Truth. I am truly sorry for that... because there's a lot IN the revelation that can help someone who doesn't quite yet hear the Son speak to them himself. Directly. Through holy spirit. Blood.



Apparently not. I mean, one now has the Son being the Father. Where, though, is your rebuke/correction, there, even if gentle and not as forthright as, say, I might do? I've looked but can't seem to find it. I will go look again because SURELY you're not one who picks and chooses whose errors to correct... and certainly not based on any pandering YOU might receive from one... right? You ARE an equal opportunity "christian"... right?



I think the verses dear Loz (peace, luv!) posted pretty much settles THAT error. If not, perhaps you will condescend to read them... again...



ORrrrrr... perhaps it is the arrogant who trust not only their own minds, but what their minds SAY due to what MAN has put IN them... who proclaim there IS a Trinity... resulting in the kind of muddled thinking that says "Yes, we AGREE... that the Son IS the Father, but the of course the Son is NOT the Father... but if you keep being my friend and NOT disagreeing with me but only say "nice" and "kind" stuff to me it really doesn't matter... let TRUTH be damned... so long as MY sensitivities aren't challenged and MY feelings hurt..."

Maybe.

Peace, truly... and ears to hear... to you, dear Char... if you wish both.

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

Ah Char... telling someone to look in the mirror because THEY are judging and condemning is not in itself judging and condemning. Unless of course you consider your post above to be judging and condemning me? No? I thought not.

You completely overlooked Sab telling Shelby that she was worthy of condemnation. THAT is judging. That is what I warned Sab about. But I suppose that it does not worry you that Sab is judging and condemning, even though we know that he who judges IS judged. I hope Sab will SEE what he is doing, so that he can stop doing it, so that he may not himself be judged.


Peace,
tammy

Yeah, I hear ya, dear P (mornin' and peace to you, dear one!)... and you're right: one can only sit in the hottub so long... before it changes from a relaxing sit in clean water to sitting in a pool of folks' dirt. Including one's own.

So, I think I'm with you, bruh: gonna get on out of this here jacuzzi. Maybe even take a rinseoff in the shower now.

Peace... and thanks for the lead!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama, audi...

Sab said....

I am not listening to "a spirit", I don't know where you are getting that. I cannot help but learn what the Spirit teaches me. I then try to help others with my new found knowledge and perspective. Sometimes the process is subtle, sometimes it's not so subtle. I teach in the same manner.

I realize much has already been addressed here this morning, but this makes no sense whatsoever Sab.

But since this is new found knowledge and perspective, I realize this may change as well in the near future as ... " New Light!"


Sab, I see its important to you to share knowledge. But if it is not Truth, then its refuse. We have had enough of this from man and religion.
You have shared this as the WTBS. You have shared this as to the RCC.

Rethink this!

Love to you as always
Justmom