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Pursuant to the conversation about unclean things, I thought this was interesting:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/31/justice/g ... urder-case

While the murder is tragic and NOT the fault of the Church, what the Church did after is appalling but unfortunately not uncommon.

What do you think?

Armand

The priest might have done it. He might not.

That report is gutter-raking trial by press. Scarcely evidence presentable before a jury, and an attempt to foment and garner a public outcry.

Why link it here, if not to point a finger at a hated church?

It is no more than scandal-mongering.

I hadn't planned to post anything here again, but old habits die hard.

Psalm 24 says it all really:




Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

The priest hood has become a profession and not a calling.
Much like being a doctor or a teacher.

I would guess that the number of people that SHOULD be priests is far lower then those that are.

Of course, this applies to every profession.
EX:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/top-10-jobs- ... ychopaths/



ANd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articl ... m0011.html

But shouldn't the Church have delivered him up for a trial to DETERMINE that, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!)? THEY shouldn't have judged him, no, of course not. But he (may have) committed a crime against the state. In which case, the state has the God-given RIGHT to judge him... yes? "The superior authorities stand existing in their relative places BY God"... yes? What of the woman who was killed? Her family and loved ones? Did the Church not owe HER/THEM justice?? Was it not within THEIR right to face their oppressor? Who's to say THEY wouldn't have forgiven him? Was it the Church's right to decide FOR them?



Wait. The POLICE say he did it. His former MENTOR says he told HIM he did it. The monk he eventually went to stay with says he told HIM he did it. Now, that someone chose to overlook all of this "way back when" doesn't mean there was "scarcely" evidence, dear sister. And there WAS public outcry... long AGO. I mean, c'mon, Char? Really? Do you think you could say what you have posted here to that poor woman's family?



I cannot answer for dear Armand (peace to you!), but why NOT? And since when has the RCC been a "hated" church? YOU are testimony HERE that it's not so hated. But why take issue that it WAS linked here? We have just discussed unclean hands as WELL as the failure on the part of Israel to plead the case of the lowly one. In THIS case, it seems the Church ABSOLUTELY failed. To hide a priest believed to have killed a young woman? To order those he confessed to to remain quiet? Where was the justice... the LOVE... for this woman? For HER family? Surely, you cannot think that the Church hid the priest out of LOVE for that priest. SURELY, you can't think that... right?



(Shaking head). Okay, who sounds like the quintessential JW NOW? Sigh...

I have to disagree, dear Char, on the same basis that YOU would disagree had it been a JW "elder"... with JWs crying that it was nothing more than scandal-mongering. I do understand how YOU might take it that way, given YOUR sensitivities... and loyalty to the Church. And I have NO doubt that you will among the first to post... or comment... when some WTBTS scandal is broke in the news. Which is why I keep asking you to examine your heart.

Be that as it may, what, though, if it comes to light that he DID do it? What if, say, he confesses on his death bed? Do you think these folks can/will forgive him THEN? The Church took that right AWAY from them, dear one. And in doing so, can you TRULY think THESE folks have been "embraced" by the Church? Do you TRULY think THEY will be able to overlook what has occurred and embrace the Church? ANYONE who now knows of this matter?

The REAL issue isn't this man's guilt or innocence. It's not necessarily even the death of this young woman, although that IS a tragedy. The ISSUE is that, in order to hide their "dirt"... by means of possibly hiding the "dirt" of ONE man... how many might they have possibly LOST for Christ, as opposed to brought TO him!

WAKE up, dear Char!



Yes, they do. And apparently, the older... the harder. But... not impossible. Even the oldest, most strongly entrenched habits CAN be put to a final death. Wake up, dear sister. The time for sleeping has passed. Time to move FORWARD, not backward... and certainly not a time to lay down and begin a deep slumber all over again.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

Not that there is any anti-Catholic prejudice here.

Of course not.

Perish the thought.

I realize that you may not see it, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!), but I think you are confusing anti-Catholic... with anti-... deceit. And anti-hypocrisy. Actually, pretty much any anti- whatever one SHOULD be against in such a situation. Dare I say that what seems to have occurred HERE is anti... Christ? I say "seems" because, as you state, the priest MIGHT not have done it; however, again, that was never allowed to be determined.

Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but yeah, I'm personally anti-deceitfully cover up a [potential and] heinous crime... which violates not only the Old Law but the NEW Law, as well, under the guise of "serving God." You betcha. I'm MOST anti- such cover ups by those who deign to lead others in "knowing God/Christ". That is may have been done by some who make no such claim... well, they don't have the same "accounting", do they?

Do I judge those who covered it up? No, ma'am. No more than I judge those who ALLOW such coverups... including the blind masses that REFUSE to see it. No more than I judge the same poor folks who blindly allow coverups by, say, the WTBTS. I don't have that authority, to judge them... or anyone.

But I don't NEED to judge them; what they DID speaks for itself. IT will judge them. Wouldn't you say?
I mean, other than "serving God"... what other reason ON EARTH could those who DID foment the coverup possibly have to DO so? Regardless, is there ANY reason to have covered up such a thing? I personally can't think of any... that does not have its roots in evil. Indeed, to the contrary, MY understanding is that, under the OLD Law, the family was entitled to justice. And under the NEW Law... which those involved in the cover up should KNOW, yes, given their self-claimed positions of "leadership"... the family should be allowed the opportunity to FORGIVE... if they wished to, AS WELL AS justice.

But to bring such a wrong to light, that is not judging, dear Char. It is simply uncovering a heinous wrong that SHOULD be uncovered. Wouldn't you say? I mean, can you imagine Christ sending Peter off into hiding if Peter was accused of raping and murdering some young Jewish woman? Seriously? Or would HE not call for Peter to present himself to the authorities, yet promising him that... due to his (Peter's) FAITH... and because of that JAH's MERCY... he (might) STILL be in "paradise"? But to hide him and pretend that no life had been slain? Do you REALLY believe him to be like that, dear Char?

I dunno. Maybe you do. Which, again, is why I am so concerned for you.

You don't want to see, dear one? Then you won't. You will only (be allowed) to see what you WANT to see... and not allowed to see that which you don't. Kinda works that way with hearing, too.

As always, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

You don't want to see, dear one? Then you won't. You will only (be allowed) to see what you WANT to see... and not allowed to see that which you don't. Kinda works that way with hearing, too.





2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.


2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,


2Th 2:10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.


2Th 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie


2Th 2:12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.


2Th 2:13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits [fn] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.


These verses applied to me for many, many years. I refused to believe the WTS was not the truth. I justified all eveidence with the "It's gods organization but full of imperfect men". There were to many powerful works in the organization for me not to believe it was the truth. Because I wanted to believe it was the Truth, I was allowed to believe it was the Truth. God does not force us to accept his Truth, the Son. However, once I learned from Holy Spirit that the true God no longer dwells in handmade temples but in his people and that the Truth is His Son, only then was I able to

break free from enlavery to religion. I say slavery because my religion was my master. I believed what it told me (as to whom the truth really is)over what I was hearing.
Once I learned that the truth is a whom. I was lead to that Truth being the Son. I was not lead to another religion. It is our choice what we want to believe about Truth. This is something I had to come to terms with for myself and for my family that remains in religion believing they are the truth and the way to life.

What is TRUTH to you?

FinalCall

Remebering nearly forty years in religion.