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It won't work, dear Char (peace to you!). You've put yourself out there, girl, and so YOUR words contradict themselves. Hopefully, they won't also condemn you. They don't HAVE to. I personally truly hope they don't.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

My spirit rejoices at this. (NOT because of anything against Chariklo personally, nor against any other individual here, no, absolutely NOT. Nor do I mean to offend or hurt any.) But because we need to remember this:



and in so doing, we need to hold fast to truth, and faith, and righteousness, and the Word. If something is right and true or indeed false, we shouldn't have to shy away from stating it. And especially not here on this forum "FOR CHRIST". If we do any less, if we are neglecting parts of our armour, and our spirit will become weakened and damaged. As ambassadors for Christ we can't afford to allow that to happen.

This is not to say we shouldn't speak to one another in love and kindness, of course we must, but not at the expense of sharing truth.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Because you are not speaking of the same thing that we are speaking of:





Of course He can clarify matters of biblical interpretation... and more. In fact, I would not have a clue how to interpret anything without Him, and I do not rely on men to interpret for me... because how do THEY know?

So you see, you admit that He does speak... say that you ALSO speak with Him (as you said earlier in this post to Shelby)... but then you show by your words that you are not speaking of the same thing.

So this is the confusion. We are not speaking of the same thing. No judgment on that, Char. But lets just state that outright so that the confusion can be ended. You do not think that Christ speaks in such a way as we have said that He speaks with us... answering any question asked of him, clarifying interpretation and the meaning of scripture (opening eyes and ears as well), teaching even things that no man or church teaches, because man does not, himself, know.


Peace,
tammy

I was permitted to respond to this above as to the body, dear P (peace to you!)... but I have received more to share with you. You are correct that the spirit returns to JAH. However, the physical body has two destinations: either a "white robe" or spirit body (for those who take part in the first resurrection, those of the Body of Christ)... or, as I shared, the body of flesh (for those tho take part in the second resurrection).

The thing he gave me to share is that not ALL who say to him, "Lord, Lord"... are known by him. And so, although one could BELIEVE that they are of his Body and thus, going under the altar at death... to be raised to a SPIRIT body... and so, what need would there be FOR the physical body which, for them, is "of no use at all"... one COULD be wrong.

And so, let's say one is... and one has conceded to cremation, which destroys the body AND the spirit... but one is NOT of that Body? Should any be willing to take the RISK? All those who take part in the second resurrection are not doomed: some are ALSO given white robes (spirit bodies). Some, however, are given over to the SECOND death: destruction, of the body AND spirit... in [the lake of] fire.

For those who ARE of the Body, do we not demonstrate that by our OBEDIENCE? Putting JAH to the test, then, by ignoring His instructions as to what do with the dead could show that we are NOT of the Body, based on our DISOBEDIENCE. He said, "Remember, child: he that is faithful in what is least, is faithful in much."

Do I share this with you, dear brother, so as to tell you what YOU "should/should not" do? Absolutely not. The only thing I would say you should do... is ask him about it FOR YOURSELF. I have shared with you what he has told ME, yes, but you are not supposed to listen to ME and what "I" say. You can receive the information, yes, so as to know what you might ask ABOUT... but you should get the actual INSTRUCTION as to this matter from him.

Because HE is your Leader and Teacher... not me. I am just a servant: his... and yours.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

YES TAMMY....

And this is NOT PRAYER! This is conversation. We can Pray of course, and the Father answers through the Holy Spirit which is his son. That is how he speaks to us.

Hebrews 1: 1,2. .." SPEAKS TO US BY MEANS OF A SON"

It is this speaking that many take issue with. It is because they cannot possibly conceive that Jah is so wonderful that he would care enough to use His son to speak to us like we could talk to our own children as well. Instead of fighting this, why not embrace ths wonderful GIFT!
The SON! The Holy Spirit 24/7....

Love Justmom

The collective has spoken.

Me, I'm just a lone voice crying in the wilderness.

Why wouldn't you want to cry out for Christ too Char, if He is your Lord, instead of a religion?
Just askin.

Loz x

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Char....

NO, not even wandering! You were at one time though when you heard his call to " Get of her "..,.
When you walked away from the RCC even it was for a minute, instead of walking to HIM only, you saw what you thought you were asking for was in the WTBS when it was not there either.

They hurt you, it damaged you so badly that it caused you to run back into the form of worship that yes he did call you put of, but because of your pain you needed to be comforted and felt back where you left from you would find your healing.
It cannot possibly heal you. It is infected, unclean and damaged itself. LOOK AT IT!!!!
Honestly Char!

Money Laundering? On top of child molestation. Moving leaders around to hide their perversion?
FILLED with bloodshed, praying to dead ones instead of the only one that Jah has given authority to.
Idols, vast wealth, hypocrisy, human leaders you call Father. Nuns buried pregnant by thier own behind concrete walls, and it is ENDLESS as to the leaven of it. It is dirty, unclean, and Jah spirit nor Christs CANNOT in any way dwell there! I personally don't even know the half of what has gone on in this church but I do trust my Lords voice when he tells me, " It is not a better alternative than the WTBS". They ALL belong to the adversary.


It is as PaulS mentioned in a post, some require structure and organization. But it comes at a great cost to them spiritually.


Love to you
Justmom.

I feel like this conversation has become unproductive.

I apologize...

I think as long as we have a non- religious forum that still tries in some way to promote a religious forum or speaks about ONE and not wanting ALL to be scrutinized, there will be issues LQ.

Sorry Justmom

I feel like this sickening stupidity is altogether too much.

Call yourselves Christians?

This site is like the Hotel California. You can check in any time you like but you can never leave.

Nowhere can I find an unsubscribe button. Yes, Shelby, justmom, Tammy and any more of you, you've won. I want out. I give up. Intelligent conversation is not possible here, and this is like no Christianity that anyone else would ever think is Christian.

That's not true, dear Char (again, peace to you!). NO ONE is a slave here; ALL are here solely by their own CHOICE. Contrastly, one CAN be asked to leave (although I think only one person to date has been)... and so "never" leave is inaccurate.



Because one isn't needed. Again, viewing AND participation are totally voluntary.



No one is trying to win, dear Char... but trying to help you SEE. That you still DON'T... seems to me we HAVEN'T "won". I agree... and the loss is all of ours. For now. I have NO doubt that you WILL see... in JAH's due time. My hope is that it is sooner than later.



I hope you change your mind, truly... and your heart. No one is trying to run you off but only to REASON with you. That we are doing it with TRUTH... and you are having a difficult time RECEIVING that... is unfortunate and sad. No one here wants to lose you, dear one. But if you us to tickle YOUR ears... while YOU continue being rude and snarky... well, what can I say? I don't THINK a break (temporary OR permanent) will do you good, but only you can decide that.



Sure it is. We have such all the time. Even THIS thread (and many others) started OUT as such. Sadly... and usually... it is you who eventually brings in the snark, though. Again, I must as you: WHY???



Well, I CANNOT disagree with you there. I can, though, say PRAISE JAH that it isn't. I mean, you DID read that article about the study as to why young people are REJECTING "christianity"... including your form of it... yes? If not, maybe take a reread of that. VERY enlightening, IMHO. True, people aren't flocking to US... but, again, PRAISE JAH that they aren't! Because they're not SUPPOSED to flock to us... OR to religion... but to Christ. HE being the "Fine Shepherd."

Don't run, Char. LISTEN. At least, try to. Just CONSIDER that maybe what we are saying to you is true. We UNDERSTAND your fear, that once again you may be being "tricked"... as you were by the WTBTS. We ALL were. But we kept moving FORWARD in this "wilderness"... not BACKWARD. TOWARD the Promised Land; not BACK... toward Egypt and enslavement. And it was HARD for Israel while in the wilderness... to the extent they didn't listen to Moses. Same here, to the extent we don't listen to Christ.

I cannot persuade you, dear one. None of us can. No one comes to the Father, except through Christ... and no one comes to Christ... unless the Father draws them. We are just a few voices TRYING to tell you to listen to that One... whom you say you listen to. Again, though, if you DID... you could NOT have taken issue with someone saying THEY hear from him... directly. Even YOU acknowledge that such is possible. At least, you have. Now, I am really not sure WHAT you are saying or acknowledging.

I do know, though, that you have yet to answer my question to you regarding "listening." So, for you to take your leave will only leave ME to conclude that you had no answer... or at least, not a reasonable/believable one. I would hope that you would resolve that, though. Maybe not.

Please, consider reconsidering... but know that whatever you CHOOSE... MY wish for peace for you remains. I do not and will not consider you an enemy... but a sister. Whether we are of the same mind now... or later... or not. I will, because my Lord has told me that you are.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

I feel the same Char. I don't think anyone wants you to leave.

Loz x

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Yes Char....

I realize you feel we are ganging up. It is not personal in any way. We do love you. It is the structure/ organization/ form of worship that is exposed and found deficient.

It is the same love and warning that we were given because of the love our Lord has for us all.

Please know we are here for you truly.
Love and peace to you always
Justmom

May you all have peace! In light of the topic, I am compelled to share this with you. Some time ago, my Lord took me (in a vision while in spirit) Sheol/Hades (the world of the dead). The place seemed to be in the earth... about three miles. At first I did not know where I was or what I was seeing as it was very, very dark. My sight began to "clear," however, and it seemed like we were standing outside of a windown and looking in. As I looked, I noticed what seems like a lot of dirt. But vision continued to clear and I noticed... that there were skulls and bones in the dirt. Then I saw that there were many of them. As my vision grew clearer I saw that some of the skulls were attached to skeletons. At first, many of them. As the vision grew clearer, however, it became apparent that there were, like, zillions of them... heaps. In caves... many, many caves... which went far back into the earth. As far as I could see. And all of the skulls and bones were the same color as the dirt/earth... a dust-gray.

They all seemed to be sleeping, though. Or so it seemed. Because just then, my Lord took my hand and we "stepped in" and as we did the vision became clearer... and I noticed the strangest thing: the skulls were all "looking" at me, staring. As if in expectation. I could see them looking at me and knew that they saw me... and knew I saw them. But there was no fear between us, at all. I then realized that the reason they were looking at me was due to the spirit (life) in the bones. Not enough spirit for them to LIVE, get up, think, speak, etc., but just enough to ask a question, and they ALL asked it: "Is this it/the time/what we're waiting for?"

The spirits did not know who they were, where they were, what they were... or what they were waiting for. They did not know who or what I was... or Who and what my Lord was. They only had enough life in them to know that they WERE waiting... for something... and for a flicker... just a brief flicker... they uniformly wondered if we were "it". But just as quickly, they all realized that we were not "it", whatever the "it" was they were awaiting... which even they did not know... and so they just returned to sleep.

They were not crying, mourning, or burning. There was no pain, no suffering, no turmoil, no torture... but just a deep sleep. It wasn't until later that I realized that what woke them UP... was the presence of my Lord, the Life. That WHEREVER HE is... life is there, even if only a minute amount. Whatever amount HE allows.

While I was there, I also "felt" the spirits of others, who were NOT there. Somehow I realized that there were spirits elsewhere and also sleeping, but able to be awakened, too. Before the vision ended, I realized that these "other" spirits were of those "under the altar." They felt far, far away... yet very, very close.

And that's it. What I was allowed to see. I was initially allowed to see this to help allay the fears of a dear one who was very concerned that a loved one was suffering "somewhere." My Lord said I was to share with him and others what I had been taken to see, so that they "would not fear."

I hope this helps whomever might need it to.

Again peace to you, all!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama