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MUAH, dear Zoe (peace, dear one!) - BIG time, girl! LOLOLOL! Of course we don't have to agree, as all should know (and I know you do). I am just grateful that I CAN share what I am being given... and leave it to each one to decide. Which is how it SHOULD be. You dear ones don't belong to ME - I am YOUR servant! SO thank YOU for your kind regard and consideration - it truly is appreciated!

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Thank you, Loz. Of course, that makes sense.



Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage, until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the flood arrived and destroyed them all
- Luke 17:26,27

Sounds like DESTROYED to me. Whom did Christ preach to? Not to discount what you spoke, but I always thought that referred to the angels that sinned that were thrown into Tartarus. 1 Pet 3:19,20 says Jesus preached to the "spirits in prison" but was more specific: "who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days." It makes more sense that these were the angels that were in Tartarus, not the ones killed by the flood, especially since he (Peter) was the only one to even talk about these "angels that sinned" as being thrown into Tartarus and reserved for judgement (2 Pet 2:4).

I stand corrected... I think... dear LQ (peace to you!)... except perhaps... this:

Is "destroy" a proper rendering of the Greek word used here, apollymi (G622) - which also means "kill"? THAT word, apollymi, is formed from two root words, apo (G575), which denotes a "separation"... and olethros (G3639), which denotes destruction, yes... but of the flesh... not the spirit! One the other hand, the Greek word apokteinō(G615)... as used for "kill" at, say, Matthew 10:28, where apollymi is also used)... ALSO means to "destroy"; but relates to the deprivation of SPIRIT life. It is formed from the two root words apo (again, denoting a separation)... and kteino, which means to slay. Now, one might think that since the word apokteinō has as one of its roots a word that denotes to slay it is with reference to the slaying of the flesh. But since it refers to the deprivation of SPIRIT life... isn't it more reasonable that IT refers to the slaying of the spirit (since apollymi actually denotes the destruction of the flesh)?

That isn't the only reason to believe that those who died during the Flood were not destroyed; there are other reasons. For instance, Christ's words as to WHERE folks are destroyed in body AND spirit: Gehenna. The Lake of Fire. Which is not where those who experienced the Flood went. They... were killed by water. Because water confines spirits (imprisons them!)... and that was the point OF the Floor: to root out the spirits that were the underlying cause of the problems, which spirits could "hide"... in flesh. Once the flesh died, the spirits had nowhere to go. And so they were confined. But ALL of them, not just spirit beings. Both spirit beings AND the spirits of the humans. ALL go to Sheol/Hades, the world of the dead. Spirit beings just go a deeper part of it: the pit, abyss, Tartarus.

Also, if water was sufficient to kill the spirits of the PEOPLE, wouldn't it have been sufficient to kill the spirit beings in the earth (the Nephilim) as well? But... it didn't.

Also, in looking at Christ... and through him, seeing justice... why would he go preach to spirit beings that sinned... although not having the burden... and enmity of flesh with IT'S blood... but overlook beings that did, those who INHERITED sin because of what another did? Where would be the justice in that?

Wouldn't it make more sense that Christ went to preach, however, to ALL of the spirits that sinned during Noah's day, not just the spirit beings, but the spirit of those HUMANS who died as well. Look at what Peter wrote:

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water..."

Are the spirits of humans ALSO imprisoned [in the world of the dead]? They are, NOT just because their death was by water, but as "Abraham" told the "Rich Man":

"... between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us."


But... wait. Oh... Ohhhhh! I am very sorry to share that I got through ALL of this, trying to reason it out and type it out... and my Lord JUST told me something SO simple, I feel foolish even sharing it. He said:

"Water does not destroy DNA, child. Indeed, it preserves it."

Ummmmm... uh, what, Lord? Okay. If you said it then it is true. But how do I show these others?

And then... this:



Okaayy...

And this:



From this:

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/ ... o/faq.html

This research paper appears to contains some good info, as well:

http://www.slideshare.net/livestrong842 ... bmerged-in

Such as:



So, oKAAYYYYYY!!!

And THEN he says:

"That is WHY a Flood, child, and not fire: so as to confine the spirit beings and reserve them for their judgement, yes, but to also PRESERVE the life (spirits) of mankind who perished in it. You have heard that the sea give up those dead in it, have you not?"

Can I say... O... M... G??!

I promise you dear ones, I don't know science and I don't know this stuff! It is GIVEN me... and as I can "bear" it. I would NOT have understood this just a week or so ago! I mean, I don't even THINK about things like DNA... and, well, some of the other things that have come up, lately. What is UP with this, all this "scientific" stuff?? LOLOLOL! I want to think about Kim and Kanye's new baby, North West!! And what's gonna happen to Paula Deen's career!! And my labs that I need have taken tomorrow. And what to make for dinner. And... and... which puppy needs to have its teeth cleaned next. I don't WANT to think about science!!

Unless... it is related to what my Lord is telling me. Then, well, of course I want to know...

But O.M.G. What in the world is next??

Dear LQ, I apologize, again... for my initial rambling (and now this!). Seems the first was totally unnecessary - I should have just asked, from the get go. And now this! I am sure I sound like a crazy woman - LOLOLOL! But my mind is ABOGGLE! My apologies for the "journey", but thank you (all) for taking this part with me!

Peace to you... ALL... and PRAISE JAH, you people! Let every, living, breathing thing... let it praise JAH!

A slave of Christ, His Son and Chosen One... JAHESHUA, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit... who leads HIS sheep... into ALL Truth!!

Shellama

"That is WHY a Flood, child, and not fire: so as to confine the spirit beings and reserve them for their judgement, yes, but to also PRESERVE the life (spirits) of mankind who perished in it. You have heard that the sea give up those dead in it, have you not?"

Wow at this.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

I heard the same thing yesterday... the sea gave up the dead in it.... and I heard from our Lord, the flood. Then I thought, what? It can't be that simple, can it?

Because I know there are different theories into what 'the sea' means, thinking it is a metaphor for something. But yes, it can be that simple, and so often IS that simple... and then in that simplicity, it is overlooked.


Peace and love, in Christ!

tammy

[sarcasm]Is it a sin if I don't believe all this right now?[/sarcasm]


LOL! Yup! And I mean this in a teasing way, of course.


Interesting. I've never thought about this. That makes the sea, death and Hades all giving up their dead. I've often wondered what the difference between death and Hades is since they are clearly distinct in this verse in Revelation. But, that's another topic for another time. But, the sea... hmm... very interesting.


I've been asking this more and more lately. I think I've been conditioned to think the entire Bible is a "secret". In recent months, I'm starting to think the truth about things is hiding in plain sight.

I think I've been conditioned to think the entire Bible is a "secret". In recent months, I'm starting to think the truth about things is hiding in plain sight.

Yes, and I reckon it's happened to us all at some point LQ.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

RE the bible being a "secret".

Honestly, if you follow this easy "rule of thumb" it will make things clearER:

The books and letters of the bible were written FOR Us ( believers) but they were NOT written TO Us.

A cultural context is crucial in understanding what the various writers and editors of the various books and letters of the bible wanted their audience to understand AND HOW their audience would have received it.

But would you not agree that some were in fact written TO US who are part of the body of Christ, Paul?

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Would you say, then, Loz, that you, as part of the Body of Christ, are different than, say, Joe Bloggs who lives down the street?

What about Mrs Jones who goes to the Methodist chapel every Sunday? Or her neighbour who never misses Mass? Or the old alcoholic who sleeps on the pavement in the city? So that what the Bible says would be written to some of these but not all?

What about the Old and New Testaments? Would you say there is a difference between who each is written to? And who is able to hear?

I just wonder how you seee things ?

Mornin'... and peace to you all! As you might guess, didn't get much sleep last night. Excited about what I shared last evening... but even more as to what is sure to come still. I have no idea WHAT... but I know how it works: each new thing is a precursor/preparation for the next thing. Each time I ask myself, "What more CAN there BE??" but I know... there is ALWAYS more. And each new thing seems more... wonderful and awe-inspiring than the last. I mean, I'm sure some might be thinking, "What's the big deal? So..." whatever it is I shared. But they are big deals to ME - huge. Because I just cannot wrap my head around why "I" receive them. It is a bit... intimidating... sometimes. And so I can't sleep as I am afraid (1) that I didn't share it exactly so, or (2) I might have misunderstood it/misspoken, or (3) I might (have) miss(ed) the "REAL" message - LOLOL! Of course, EACH piece of information is the real message, and I know that, but I still "go through it." I hope you can understand.

Anyway, back to this matter:



Oh, yes, dear, dear tec (mornin' and peace to you, luv!). I am sure you recall me posting MANY times that it is not rocket science but really "ABCs"... that believing it to BE very complicated is what gets in many folks' way! But that is why our dear Lord said we must "become as young children." This is so we don't think TOO "deep"... as most think is necessary when it comes to him and JAH. "It MUST surpass even what science understands!" And that is TRUE, but science is in its own way - they WANT it to be complex and complicated. Because if it wasn't, well, then, ANYONE could get it! No NEED for all of that education and research and funding... and accolades!

But anyone CAN. All they need to do IS "turn around... and become like YOUNG children." I have used the analogy of asking a 3-year-old and a 33-year-old the color of the sky. The 3-year-old will immediately respond, "Blue!"... but the 33-year-old will first have to look at the sky, then consider the "weather" and things like "precipitation" and "wind speed" and then, can't just say blue... or gray... but what particular SHADE of blue or gray. When the original question was not meant to be THAT complicated but only as to the "usual" color of the sky - blue (I can hear certain minds "clicking" as I type this - "Well, it's not blue where I live! Most days, HERE, it's..." LOLOLOL! Which only proves my point - LOLOL! The question wasn't mean to be THAT pedantic! LOLOLO! Nor is JAH and Chist!).



Of course not, dear, dear LQ (mornin' and peace to you, as well!). Even my Lord's Apostles had to take a minute and wrap their heads around some of the things he shared with them. In addition, we are cautioned NOT to believe every inspired expression because not ALL inspired expressions originate with God. So, if you cannot accept something as truth right away, do not despair. Test it. Just let me reiterate that the EASIEST way to do that is to ask Christ himself... FOR yourself. Or, if you can't hear him (although, you can, and I will post on that in a bit), test it against what you KNOW about him. If you still can't "see", test it against love. And if you STILL can't see the thing (clearly)... test it against what is written (although, keep in mind, that might not necessarily be in the Bible. Hence, the video presentation I was directed to and included - I truly did not make up that water... and apparently cold, salty, ocean floor water... preserves DNA).



GOOD for you! Because it is a GOOD question!



Not only a secret, but that no one can REALLY understand it, not even those who've studied it their entire lives. And, of course, one must STUDY it in order to understand it. Indeed, be a literal SCHOLAR of it... yes? Yet, they entirely MISS that IT says (as to what Christ said):

"You SEARCH the scriptures... because you THINK... that by means of THEM... you will have everlasting life. And THESE... are the very ones that... BEAR WITNESS ABOUT ME. Yet... YOU DO NOT WANT TO COME... to ME... that you may have life." John 5:39, 40

How SIMPLE is that? Quit searching the scriptures trying to find the "key/answers"... but simply go to HIM. How much simpler could he have SAID it??????????????????????????????????? Yet, SO hard for some to grasp... and even harder for some to DO.

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Okay, now I am going to share a "sacred secret" with YOU... that is really NOT a secret at ALL: HE... Christ... the TRUTH... ISN'T HIDING AT ALL! HE... Christ... the TRUTH... IS right in plain sight! He SAID... that if one LOVED him... he would COME to them... and PLAINLY SHOW HIMSELF... TO THEM. The PROBLEM is that, while saying they BELIEVE his words... MOST DON'T BELIEVE... that HE... is the TRUTH. The ONLY Truth... and the ONLY Way... TO know/see/hear/come before God. They SAY they believe his words... but their WORKS... prove they DON'T.

What "works"? I am not referring to things like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc., no. I am talking about works that come BEFORE all of that. Some "least" things. Like... faith. Faith... that he IS the Way, Truth, and Life... he ALONE. Faith that no one CAN come before God... except THROUGH him. Faith... that he IS alive, LITERALLY, and SPEAKS. Faith... that his flesh and blood ARE the only means by which we can have life... eternally. Faith... to the preserving alive of the body AND spirit!

Faith that says, "Well, okay, Lord... that sounds a bit "out there"... but if YOU say it's the case, that it's the truth... then it IS! EVEN... if no one else agrees or believes it. Even if not another living SOUL agrees or believes it. But all that matters is YOU said it! So... it MUST be TRUE... because YOUR mouth only SPEAKS truth... and what is upright... and there is NOT unrighteousness in them!"

Faith is hard, I know, dear ones. But it would be less so if those who CLAIM to know... who have seated THEMSELVES in the seat of Moses... who deem themselves masters over YOUR faith... and constitute THEMSELVES teachers and leaders... had told you what faith TRULY is. How could they, though... when not knowing what it TRULY is... themselves?

"Beware the naked man who offers you HIS shirt."

Again, good morning... and the GREATEST of love and peace to you ALL! Praise... JAH... the MOST HOLY One of Israel... you people! Praise Him... as His Son and Christ, the HOLY ONE of Israel... and HOLY SPIRIT... JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... taught and TOLD us to do! Give HIM the glory... and KISS the Son He provided for and sent TO us! Let everything living thing... every living, BREATHING thing... let it praise JAH!

YOUR servant, and servant to the Household of God, Israel, and ALL those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

YES.... LQ and Loz...

I agree 100 percent. Everytime I may not be completely clear as to an issue but know I have several pieces of the puzzle, sooner or later, and sooner these days I must admit lol, HE completes the puzzle. And I shake my head and say, " ooh my, how silly I am. It is ALWAYS so simple when HE reveals it!


To add as I was reading this i also heard of the account in Mark 5: 1-20 and Luke 8: 31
The man that was possessed with demons named Legion. When our Lord healed the man of them, they asked if they could be sent into the herd of swine. Our lord allowed this and then the herd of swine rushed over the cliff and into the SEA. It says that they ( the swine) all drowned.
Yes, the flesh did! So the DNA of the swine is preserved. But what of Legion?
They could not be drowned, but now confined in the sea. In the abyss.

So, I always wondered why all the swine jumped over either a suicide attempt or the demons or now maybe our Lord KNEW what he was doing when he allowed this. He knew the outcome. They could no longer torment anyone else. The swine however can be saved by being preserved.

Just a thought WOW!
Love Justmom

Why would they want to preserve the pigs?

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To fear me is to love me....

I realize that you directed this to dear Loz, dear Char (morning and peace to you, both!)... but I am compelled to respond, as well, because of your reason for asking of dear Loz. If one IS a member of the Body of Christ, then they are indeed "different" than, say, Joe Bloggs... if dear Joe is NOT a member of that Body. Different, but not BETTER. Because one who is a Body member understands that s/he is a SERVANT, where Joe may not believe himself to be. Indeed, dear Joe might even be offended that anyone might suggest he SHOULD be a servant... to ANYONE. Including Christ... and certainly to others of mankind.

What about Mrs Jones who goes to the Methodist chapel every Sunday? Or her neighbour who never misses Mass? Or the old alcoholic who sleeps on the pavement in the city?

Same thing, luv.



Because I am pedantic I need to clarify: the "Bible" wasn't written to ANYONE. And its compilation is NOT for the Body of Christ - such one have CHRIST... and so don't need the Bible. But the CONTENTS of the Bible WASN'T written to all, of course not! The OT parts were written to and for Israel, first. Then, for those who would BECOME members of the Body of Christ, in order to see who was being POINTED to. The rest was written to those who ARE members of the Body of Christ, which INCLUDES some of Israel, initially, then all of them ultimately.

Do you think the Bible WAS written to all? If so, on what do you base that? Please take care when you respond... as the various writings often SAY... SPECIFICALLY... to whom they were written. For example, did the Prophets not STATE whom they were addressing? Was it not primarily Israel/Judah? I mean, sometimes other nations were addressed, such as Egypt, Ethiopia, Tyre, Sidon, Babylon, Nineveh, etc., but usually the message to these wasn't good! Who did Paul and the Apostles address? Was it not "the holy ones"... sometimes those "along with the faithful ones 'IN UNION WITH CHRIST'?" Or perhaps certain individuals (i.e., Timothy, Philemon, Gaius, the beloved lady and her children, etc.)? Who did Luke address? Was it not "Theophilus"?

Where, please show ME, at least, where the Bible... or its contents... are addressed to ANYONE other than literal Israel... or spiritual Israel (the Body of Christ)... except as to denunciation/malediction?



Absolutely. Without a doubt. Because those who didn't listen to Moses would not listen to Christ. MOSES said that there would be One coming after him... and that Israel was supposed to listen to HIM. Many TODAY, however, say that that One not only doesn't SPEAK... but never even existed. Do YOU think those who deny that Christ even EXISTED... or that he is the Son of God... or that he speaks... HEARS him?



Are you SURE, dear Char... that that is "all"... you wondering how dear Loz sees things? Because I am not so sure. Rather, I perceive you once again trying to "bait" another... and cannot help but "wonder" WHY?? LOVE... doesn't do that, dear Char. And so I believe I know why you do it... and so ask you, again, to consider why, yourself. I understand that some here aren't comfortable with ones calling others motives into question... but I think it MOST unloving to see one continuing in a path that BELIES the love they want others to believe exists... and say/do nothing but just let them continue. How can THAT be love... letting someone continue in their error and not even TRY to help them? You have a "bone of contention" as to dear Loz... and you REALLY need to examine WHY... so that perhaps YOU can "see" where you MIGHT need a bit of clothing. So as to "cover" that "nakedness." Not much; perhaps a sock. But a sock, nonetheless. Because it really isn't as hidden as you might think, dear one.

Not judging, not criticizing. Only trying to help YOU see... because you have some things standing in your "Way," dear, dear sister.

I hope this helps... and I hope you can one day receive the truth I KEEP trying to share with you.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

BACON.