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She lived as a practicing Buddhist and Ancestor Worship which is typical in Chinese culture. She was also aware of Christianity but chose not to believe in Christ.

Is she in Christian Heaven or is she in Hell since she never claimed to believe in Christ and as a result did not go through Christ to God.

If the answer is that God is so loving that my grandmother must be with God then what is the purpose of believing in Christ if that belief is not necessary when all is said and done? Do all roads indeed lead to God?

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To fear me is to love me....

My thoughts are often like that too Puppy. I am very interested in others thoughts on this. My grandmother was an athiest but she was an absoluterly wonderful kind and loving person. Her reason for hating religion and God was because she grew up in Germany and attended Catholic school and the NUNs beat her and her classmates and sisters almost daily in the name of God.

She is not in either of those places (as I know the one does not exist, and the other does not exist in the way that some of Christianity makes it out to be).

There are those Christ gathers who are his brothers. Those who have died (under the alter) and those who are still alive when he returns, so that both will be changed to be like Him, when He returns. These ones are as kings and priests with Christ, for the 'thousand years'.

There are also those who did good to Christ, through doing good to even the least of his brothers. (and also the poor, the needy, the hungry, etc) These ones Christ knows, even though they might not know Him. Some of these are alive, and are invited into the Kingdom - prepared for them since the creation of the world. Subjects of the kingdom; not kings and priests.

Then at the second resurrection, all those who have died (like your grandmother) are called forth and all those whose names are written in the lambs book of life are invited into the kingdom. Make note that these cannot be the brothers (Christians - not self-appointed ones, but true Christians) of Christ, because ALL of these already rose in the first resurrection. So there ARE those who have died who also enter the kingdom just like from the paragraph above, who Christ wrote into His book of life, who He knows, even though they might not have known Him.


"Christianity", the religion, can often give Christ, and so also God, a bad rap. By all of the horrible things that it does in the name of Christ. Just as Zoe showed above.

As Ghandi said, I like your Christ. I do not like your christians. Your christians are so unlike your Christ. (paraphrasing)


One does not go to God, except through Christ... either way that you look at it. Those who are of the Body of Christ, must go TO Christ (there is no judgment for these ones; they are protected under His blood - life, spirit.) And there are those who enter the Kingdom, who are not of His Body (not christian), by Christ's invitation. (such as those who do the requirements of the law - of love - by nature; those He knows by what they DID) Men are judged by their own words, and their own deeds. These testify against them.

Did I make that confusing?

Peace,
tammy

Well, dear tec beat me to it... and most accurately... and so I have absolutely NOTHING to add.

Peace to you all, dear HP, Zoe, and tec!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

What of this?

And you shall be brought before governors, and before kings for my sake, for a testimony to them and to the Gentiles: Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven. But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And as a man's enemies shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. (Matthew 10:18, 32-38 DRA)

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To fear me is to love me....

What exactly are you asking, Pup?

You know that you, too, could go to Him and ask these questions? Then listen for His answer?

As to what I think you are asking:

Did your grandmother know Him to deny Him? Or did she know the Christ presented by 'christianity'? In which case, she might simply have denied something false... just as those who leave the wts are denying the lie, the false christ, the false teachers.


Our Lord reminds me to consider who He is addressing here, that is in the part that you did not bold. You will be brought before governors and before kings for my sake, for a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.

Why would those not following Him be brought before governors and kings for His sake?

Consider also how much of the world knows about Christ, and yet does not believe in Him. (though some think of him as a good man, or a prophet, or a wise teacher... but not as the Christ, the Son of God, Truth, Word, and Image of God; and many just deny what christianity presents about Him) Yet among these ones are those who do good to Him, by doing good to even the least of those who are His brothers. So these are the ones who are known BY Him, even though they did not know Him.

Matt 25: 31 - 40. (sheep and the goats)



Peace,

tammy

What dear tec "said", dear Pup (peace to you both!). Ditto that.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

I am interested more in the answers that he gives others.

From reading the reply, it seems that belief in Jesus is not really necessary to have eternal life. All that is required is to lead a "good" life. Even praying to and worshipping "false gods" will not deny a person entry into God's graces as long as they are kind and helpful to others. In this case faith is not necessary?

Some will say that my grandmother's soul is forever lost. Others will say their God is such a merciful and loving God that he will take her life's situation into account. This seems to fly against the stories contained within the Bible as well as scripture. I have my own beliefs as to the answer to my question. I am just curious as to what each person here believes.

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To fear me is to love me....

My response would be that the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, is merciful, dear Pup (peace to you!). Particularly to those who are merciful/SHOW mercy. Everything I know... and have read... about my Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... who is His Son... and who said that all that HE did he learned from his Father... and only did what he observed the Father doing... and that One WAS merciful... says that this is true. In looking at HIM (Christ), then, I don't anyone who knew how to show others mercy... regardless of who or what they may or may not have "worshipped"... have nothing to worry about.

Now, for those of the BODY of Christ... and so to be in UNION with him... so as to have a SHARING with him in part of his kingdom rule... as dear tec (peace to you, luv!) shared... faith in Christ is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Because WITHOUT faith in that Son, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please JAH well. Such ones MUST kiss... the Son.

Of course, they, too, must also be merciful... and forgiving... to others. Even more so.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

That's two what of the thoughts of others?

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To fear me is to love me....

What Shelby shared above, as to those who do not believe in Christ. Peace to you also!!

I would add that it IS scriptural, Pup. It IS what Christ said and taught (and still teaches) It IS from love.

Sadly, it is those who do not know Him, who teach otherwise, claiming to do so in His name.

Peace,
tammy

I meant to post:

"I don't think anyone who knew/knows how to show others mercy... have/has anything to worry about..."

Sorry, mis-multitasking!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Lol... I read it a couple of times to get what you meant to write ; )

Peace,
tammy

Hello PuP...

Matthew 25 mentions a group of people that are deemed as sheep and enter into the kingdom and gain life for no other reason than the fact that they did good " to the LEAST of Christs brothers" so it was as if they did good to Christ himself.

And notice they weren't necessarily aware of the fact that they were good. " When did WE?"
I term that " random acts of kindness" cuz you never know ...
Also the evildoer on the pole next to CHRIST, we don't know what or how he really worshipped but on his deathbed asked to be remembered in the kingdom. And CHRIST said he'd be there. Was a pretty simple ticket into paradise for that man.

Although he was not a " brother " of Christ or part of the body to partake in the first resurrection ( or better resurrection in Revelation 20:5,6 ) he will be raised and granted entry into the kingdom as part of the ones in Revelation 20:12,13. Those that either did good deeds or acknowledged Christ simply!

Hope this helps and brings some comfort
Love Justmom MERCY is such a wonderful HUGE quality our lord and father has. Man cannot even conceive it. This is why we worry about our loved ones more than we should.

LIES! ALL LIES!

Oh, ummmm... sorry, dear Zoe (peace to you, dear one)... but that's what some would say.

But, now, perhaps you meant to say ALLEGEDLY beat her and her classmates and sisters ALLEGEDLY almost daily? No? You're stickin' to your story? Good for YOU!

Peace to you and thanks for sharing that! I'm truly sorry those poor girls... and others... experience(d) such by those who claim a union with Christ/God. Then... and now.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama, who wishes to remind you dear folks that some people get all aghast when Ahmaninejad and others deny [the occurrence, extent, and severity of] the Holocaust...