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Agreed! Thanks
Justmom

Chariklo wrote:



Chariklo: This is an interesting statement you have made here. Why? Because the Apostle Paul specifically writes: “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.”—2 Corinthians 3:17.

It seems, therefore, that Paul thought so, yes? Or do you read this differently and, if so, how so?

Paul also writes more at 1 Timothy 4:1-5:

Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (Bold emphasis mine; italics and underscore by Douay-Rheims Online Version.) (The Douay’s emphasis is interesting considering that the Roman Catholic Church forbids its priests to marry and at one time—for a very long time—taught that its adherents needed to “abstain from meat” on Fridays, on pain of suffering from hellfire if they did eat meat on Fridays. Did you notice too how “the Spirit” describes those doctrines and “saith” that those who teach such doctrines have ‘departed from the faith’? But that’s another discussion, I know, not for this thread. Apologies.)

Luke wrote at Acts 16:6-10:

And when they had passed through Phrygia, and the country of Galatia, they were forbidden by the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia. And when they were come into Mysia, they attempted to go into Bythynia, and the Spirit of Jesus suffered them not.

The Apostle John wrote at Revelation 2:1:

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write: These things saith he, who holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks:

and at Revelation 2:7:

He, that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches: To him, that overcometh, I will give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of my God.

and at Revelation 2:8:

These things saith the First and the Last, who was dead, and is alive:

and at Revelation 2:11:

He, that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches: He that shall overcome, shall not be hurt by the second death.

and at Revelation 2:12:

And to the angel of the church of Pergamus write: These things, saith he, that hath the sharp two edged sword:

and at Revelation 2:17:

He, that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches: To him that overcometh, I will give the hidden manna, and will give him a white counter, and in the counter, a new name written, which no man knoweth, but he that receiveth it.

and at Revelation 2:18:

And to the angel of the church of Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like to a flame of fire, and his feet like to fine brass.

and at Revelation 2:29:

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.


So it seems that Paul, Luke, and John knew that Christ was the Spirit, in addition to some of us here on this forum. And now, you do too.

--Armand

LOLOLOLOL! Okay, dear P (peace!), let's see if you can wrap your head around this:

God and Christ are spirit BEINGS, as are cherubs and angels (no, not the same thing, exactly, as these are positions, with cherubs ranking higher, angels just being a "messenger" position/task). They are spirit because that is their SUBSTANCE and nature. In this regard, Christ, a spirit... became the (HOLY) Spirit once he was glorified. If you check the Greek (and the Hebrew, which was translated from Greek) CAREFULLY... you will see that there is no "Holy" before references to "the Spirit". For instance, "the Spirit" (or "God's Spirit") said to Philip"... etc.

God's SUBSTANCE and NATURE... are spirit. What He is MADE of, CONSISTS of. Such that His BREATH... is spirit. His BLOOD... is spirit. His seed... is spirit. He is HOLY, however, and so His SPIRIT... is holy. "Holy spirit"... before which there is NEVER a "the".

So, you have Christ, the holy SPIRIT... and HOLY spirit... which is the blood, breath, and seed of God.

So, no, there are not two "holy spirits". There is "The Holy SPIRIT", which is Christ... and then there is "holy spirit"... which is the lifeforce that issues from God, in the form of blood, breath, or seed/semen.

See? I hope so. I truly hope this helped. HOWEVER... you really COULD understand it if you allowed yourself to stop looking at man to explain it to you. Dear one... go to Christ. Tell him that you WANT to know the TRUTH about this matter and so to please reveal it to you. Better yet, go to JAH... and ask Him to SEND you HIS truth. Not Shelby's, not Char's, not the GB's, not the Pope or some religious council's... not some scholar or theologian's. HIS truth.

Which truth is Christ. And when that One comes to you... DON'T turn away! DON'T shrink back! DON'T shut your ears! Stand FIRM, loins girded and feet planted! And... listen.

I hope this helps, truly, dear one!

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

You know what point I was trying to make, right?

My Lord reminds me of Paul's experience on the road to Damascus... and to ask... Did Paul not hear and see directly from Christ... after Christ went away and to the Father? This was not some other person, or some other helper. This was Christ, Himself, who came... in Spirit. He did not send someone else, but HE CAME, HIMSELF.

So we have something that we can see... not just words that can be and are miswritten and misunderstood, but an experience that we can clearly see what happened.

Again, Paul says in Galatians:

"I did not receive it (the gospel) from any man, nor was I taught it; rather I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."

From Christ. Not from some other helper. Not from some other spirit. But from Christ.


Peace and love to you,
tammy

Amen to all you have said in Post 526 Shelby.

And to bring this back to simple terms. Christ prayed and spoke to His father as he encouraged others to do. He wasn't praying to Himself, why would He? He came to tell the truth about His father. He even pleaded with His father before and as He died. The scriptures describe Him as the HEIR, He described Himself as the Son.

This tells us that HE WAS NOT THE FATHER. No question. Why religion wants to believe He IS the father suggests to me that there is another agenda. He made it very clear that He wasn't. He even reiterated that His father was greater than Him. Jah wanted us to understand how much He loved us by giving His son, not Himself. It's much harder to give a son, isn't it?

This isn't rocket science. Religion wants to make it mysterious, but Christ didn't, He wanted us to understand that He was NOT God, but His son. A separate person.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

The Trinity does NOT say that The Son is the Father, It says they share the same nature.

But that's the thing, dear Char (peace to you!): you are closing your ears because what you are NOW hearing is not what you HAVE heard BEFORE. But... so what? Christ said he, the Spirit... would LEAD us... into ALL truth. If we are to be LED... then we will learn AS WE GO FORWARD, yes? Or perhaps you think, as many do, that Paul "got it" all in one day, one experience, on the road to Damascus?

Paul took YEARS to get what some of the Apostles already knew, dear one! He was SO steeped in the traditions of the Jews that he had to be TRAINED... to LISTEN... NOT to his OWN "voice"... or the "voice" of his former education (as a Pharisee) or the "voice" of his former teachers, including Gama'Li'El... or the "voice" of Moses through the LAW... but to the voice of Christ!

Dear one, the religious leaders and skeptics of his day said the SAME thing to our dear Lord: "No one has EVER said these things before!" "That's not what MOSES said!" and "Who has ever HEARD such things?!" and more.

But had they listened to MOSES, they would have heard what THAT one SAID. That is why my Lord said, in essence, as to the Rich Man who, after realizing his fate after dying pleaded to Abraham to cool his tongue, asked to be allowed to go back and warn his brothers:

"If they didn't listen to MOSES, neither will they listen to YOU! They SHOULD have listened to Moses... as should YOU have!"

WHY did he say this? Because MOSES told them:

"JAH will raise up a prophet AFTER me... and to HIM you must LISTEN!"

Moses did NOT say "JAH will raise up another prophet after me, but in spite of what he says, keep listening to ME," no. He did not say, "JAH will raise up another prophet after me, but men won't understand what he meant so keep looking to their attempts to figure it all out," no. He said what JAH Himself said of that One:

"This MY SON, the Beloved. LISTEN TO HIM."

If won't listen to Moses OR JAH... then perhaps it's no wonder we don't hear that Son when he speaks.

Kiss the SON, dear one... he who is the [Holy] Spirit of JAH... and so ALLOW them to return the love... and truth!

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

LOLOLOLOL! I do NOW, m'luv (peace to you!). Sigh. Sometimes my "girlie" brain (which tends to "multitask" rather than focus on one thing at a time) DOES get in the way!

But, yes, dear one... I do see your point, now! Thank you for "revealing" it!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

Paul learned that Jesus was Christ from Jesus himself and it was Christ that opened his eyes to the correct understanding of Paul's view on scripture.
It did NOT invalidate scripture or Paul's use of scripture ( when he used it).
BUT since Paul did learn from Christ, lets see what Paul said about him:

Colossians:
15 [w]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For [x]by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Philipians:
5 Have this attitude [e]in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be [f]grasped, 7 but [g]emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death [h]on a cross.

Paul viewed Jesus as God, as having the same nature and substance as The Father.

I tend to see things from the "outside looking in" and I can very easily reconcile two things:
Christ is the HS.
God as a Triune.

Neither seems in conflict IMO.

I am just awesome that way.

So, no, there are not two "holy spirits". There is "The Holy SPIRIT", which is Christ... and then there is "holy spirit"... which is the lifeforce that issues from God, in the form of blood, breath, or seed/semen.


Yes and I realize I put "the" in front of the reference to the life forces that issue from Jah that made it confusing Paul.

My apologies.

Love Justmom.

Do you see a number referencing each post, Loz? I see a total number of posts made by each poster at the side, that number naturally increasing by one as each poster makes each new post. I'm missing the reference numbers that you can see.

Tammy, does my lack of reference numbers in view mean that I am viewing the wrong style of board? I get the same across all computers and tablets and phones that I use.

You've fallen into one of the classic logical fallacies, Shelby.

Post hoc sed non propter hoc.

Sorry, dear Char (peace to you!), but I have no idea what you're referring to. And given my comments... and what you seem to be referring to, I don't think you have, either. Care to clarify? I mean, just so I know YOU know what you're meaning here? Thank you!

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama