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What does it mean? How does one blaspheme against the Holy Spirit?

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To fear me is to love me....

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Truly an unforgivable sin ;P

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To fear me is to love me....

One blasphemes against the Holy Spirit (the glorified Christ), dear Pup (peace to you!) when one:

1. Attributes to him something that he has NOT done;
2. Did NOT attributed something to him that he DID;
3. Usurping his position/placing oneself/others in his seat;
4. Knowingly trying to fool/lie to him, while giving others the impression you are walking in truth
5. Purposefully profaning his name (not just taking it up in a worthless way, but purposefully and knowingly cursing, damning, calling down evil upon, and otherwise abusing his name)

And any other thing that is "against" him.

"Grieving" the (Holy) Spirit is not blasphemy, per se, but IS manifestation of lack of faith. Which CAN be blasphemy, depending upon what one does as a RESULT of such lack of faith (i.e., purposefully misleading others, etc.).

I hope this helps!

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

If a person were to say that Jesus didn't perform miracles and that it was actually the devil would they be blaspheming the Holy Spirit and as a result will not be forgiven and damned eternally?

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To fear me is to love me....

"Anyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven..."

Are you thinking of the Jews who said that He had a demon? They said that against the man, and He did not condemn them when they said that. He tried to teach them how what they were saying made no sense.


Peace,
tammy

Before my dear Lord was glorified, no, dear Pup (peace to you!): their sin was not unforgivable and eternal. Why? Because my Lord hadn't given his life... and been glorified... yet. Once he HAD, however, "things" changed. He wasn't going to give his life AGAIN... or be glorified AGAIN. So, until he did, Israel was still able to get away with some things, including sinning against HIM... as a man (as dear tec - peace, luv!) stated.

But he WARNED them: say your piece now... because once my sacrifice is presented and accepted, once I am glorified, once I am installed as king, once I begin MY rule... and once I pour OUT holy spirit upon my people... to blaspheme against THAT One... the One I will BECOME by means of the power, glory, and holy spirit of GOD... it's out of MY hands. I can forgive you for what you say... and do... to me NOW... but then, it's upon a higher Source than me. Because THEN you will be sinning against "Pharaoh" himself. Right now, you're slapping me; then, you will be slapping HIM... because of the SPIRIT He will have given ME: His FULL spirit. So... take care, there.

And he wasn't talking about mundane profanities or simply "taking up God's name in a 'worthless' way", etc. For example, many say "God damn it/you." Which terms MEANS, "God... curse that thing/person... for eternity!" That really isn't the INTENT of the person saying such, for someone to be eternally damned. Unless... it IS such one's intent.

In the case of Ananais and Sapphira, they INTENDED to try and fool the Apostles who, by the time, had received holy spirit, the result of which they COULD either forgive... or condemn to eternity. That is the POWER of holy spirit... and why those who receive and possess it MUST be merciful! Because what they BIND... or earth... is BOUND... in the spirit realm! The same spirit also grants the power to LOOSE, though, and so what they LOOSE on earth is loosed in the spirit realm.

Which is why mercy and forgiveness is TANTAMOUNT. Christ said "Go RELEASING" and "STOP judging." So, okay, now you have this power... to release or condemn. If you are following CHRIST... which are you going to do/use? Binding (meaning, condemning eternally)... or loosing (meaning, forgiving eternally)?

Peter was a rash, impetuous... and so hasty in judgment AND action... kind of person. He will not be condemned for his actions as to Ananias and Sapphira... because it was within his POWER, such power having been granted to him. But I cannot imagine that at some point, perhaps when his anger had subsided... that he regretted his action (wasn't Peter always regretting some action he'd taken?). And so the lesson we can learn from HIS experience is NOT that we have the power to declare condemnation upon another... but we have the power to FORGIVE. And if WE forgive... we can look forward to God and Christ forgiving, if that is their will.

If not, who are we to argue with Them? All we can do is what Abraham did (as to Sodom) and Moses did (as to Israel)... and Christ did as to the world... and ask for mercy FOR them.

If one PERSISTS in his/her blasphemy, howver, and you've tried to warn them against it... several times, possibly... at some point you may have to give them up TO their blasphemy. Because it is what THEY are CHOOSING. Love... does not deny another their CHOICE. So if they WISH to blaspheme against the Spirit... one must LET them.

It is the same as between the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and Israel... and all of mankind: we are given a CHOICE as to which we will choose: good or bad... blessing or malediction... Jah eShua (Christ) or Beli'Jah'El (the one called "Satan/Devil")... Light or Darkness... Him... or HIS enemy, Death (Abaddon/Apollyon).

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Amen I say to you, that all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and the blasphemies wherewith they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin. (Mark 3:28, 29 DRA)

Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come. (Matthew 12:31, 32 DRA)



Those are two passages that touch upon this concept of the unforgivable sin. I believe this was a reply by Jesus in reference to those who attributed his powers to Beelzebub.

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To fear me is to love me....

Shelby, so before the crucifixion the sin was forgivable because the blood of Christ cleanses all but after the crucifixion the sin remains unforgivable because it was done after the original cleansing? Or did you mean the opposite?

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To fear me is to love me....

Well posted, Pup, and the structure of both the verses you quoted makes it very plain that Jesus is referring to a third person, absolutely not himself.

Three persons in the Trimity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Son Holy Spirit, One God, Three Persons, denied by JW's and Unitarians alone.

Shelby says I say this because this is all I know of my own knowledge. Try Google, my friends. Try any Encyclopaedia.

God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity.

I don't quite understand what you're asking, dear one (again, peace to you!). So I will try and explain, again:

BEFORE my Lord was put to death, it was forgiveable because it was against him, as a MAN:

"whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:"

Once he was GLORIFIED, however, as to become the Holy SPIRIT things changed. Prior to being GLORIFIED, Christ was man, like us. And so, he could be sinned AGAINST... and it be forgiven. Why? Because, as HE stated, when Peter asked him, "“Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

"I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven!"

Therefore, so long as he was MAN... HE also had to forgive. Because that was the fulfillment of HIS own (new) Law, as well as the OLD one! And if HE forgave, then JAH forgave. Once he was GLORIFIED, however, and so no longer man but now a life-giving SPIRIT... there would no longer be a basis FOR forgiving a sin against THAT entity, the life-giving SPIRIT he now was, the Holy Spirit.

Because, again, prior TO, ones were sinning against "Joseph" the MAN - since then the sin is against "Joseph"... who sits in place of PHARAOH... and thus, against PHARAOH Himself. No forgiveness LEFT, dear one. No one to GIVE their blood to "atone" for that kind of sin. Christ gave HIS... for ALL sins... EXCEPT sin against the Holy Spirit. Whose blood, then, will atone for such a sin? Who is going to come... AGAIN... and offer up another sacrifice for that kind of sin? No one that I know of.

What some here are overlooking is that the Holy Spirit that is Christ... is NOT the same things as God's holy spirit... "living water." Let me show you:

First, as to holy spirit... "life's water"... which is the blood of God:

"On the last and greatest day of the festival, [Jesus] stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, “Out of him will flow rivers of living water.” By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since [Jesus] had not yet been glorified." John 7:37-39

Did you notice, that spirit comes OUT of him... as "LIVING water"? And that when he spoke these words, he MEANT that Spirit... which had not yet been GIVEN (vs. been "sent")... because he had not yet been GLORIFIED?

He pours it OUT, dear one... because it is "water"... or blood. God's blood... which was put IN him... so that HE COULD pour it out UPON... and thus, WITH it... ANOINT... those who RECEIVE it. Which is why John wrote (1 John 2:24-28) about those who would come later and try to mislead the Body AWAY from this truth:

"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that [Jesus] is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

Notice, NO mention of "the Holy Spirit" by John, but ONLY the Father and the Son...

"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life."

Again, NO mention of "the Holy Spirit," but ONLY the Father and the Son. But look at what he writes next:

"I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you."

Why, per one of the original Apostles, would we not need ANYONE to teach us? Because:

"But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him."

What are with anointed WITH? Christ does not pour literal oil on us, dear one; there is no olive oil dripped upon our heads. He anoints us with the "oil... of exultation"... which is the same "oil" that HE was anointed with... HOLY SPIRIT. Which came down upon him in the form of a dove, but he said to his BODY... would come upon US... like the "wind". We would not know WHERE it came "from"... because we wouldn't SEE it (as some had seen it when it came down upon HIM):

"The SPIRIT blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” John 3:8

Now, some Bible versions transliterate that first "spirit" as "wind". But the SAME word, "pneuma" is used with both the FIRST word "spirit" AND the second word "Spirit" depicted in this verse (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cf ... KJV#conc/8). WHO decided, though, that the first one was "wind" and the second was "Spirit"... and capitalized? Men. Men who did not know. WE can know, though, that the first one was ALSO "spirit" because of what occurred when ADHAM received that spirit, when Christ FIRST gave his apostles holy spirit, and when he poured OUT that spirit upon those present in the upper room at Pentecost:

Adham - "Then JaHVeH formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life[/i], and the man became a living being." Genesis 2:7

Christ, as to the Apostles - "... he breathed on them and said, “Receive holy spirit." John 20:22 (Note, there is NO "the", nor are the words "holy" or "spirit" capitalized in the Greek)

As to those in the room at Pentecost - "Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." Acts 2:1-4 Again, no "the" before the words "holy spirit" in the Greek.

What occurred in ALL three of these cases is ones RECEIVING HOLY SPIRIT... God's LIFE force... in the form of His BREATH. The first, directly from God to His son, Adham; the second and third from God THROUGH His Son... Christ.

But now, let's look at who IS "the Holy SPIRIT":

"Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Corinthians 3:17, 18

and...

"So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living soul”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit." 1 Corinthians 15:45

By means of God's holy spirit, Adham BECAME a LIVING soul (versus the dead soul he was prior). In the same way, Christ... BECAME a life-GIVING... SPIRIT. The HOLY Spirit. By means of God's holy spirit... or holy life force. Adham received it directly from God. Christ... who received it directly from God when he came up from the Jordan ... now being GLORIFIED... and a THE Holy Spirit (being)... could now GIVE IT TO OTHERS. Not partially, in tiny bits (so as to heal, feed, temporarily resurrect, etc.), as he had before... but completely. So as to grant ETERNAL life.

Don't let words bog you down, dear HP. These two in particularly, "holy spirit," have been used by MANY... who, rather than looking TO Christ so as to understand... leaned... and still lean... upon their OWN understanding... and so don't know. Yet, they deign to teach others... and others... many, many, many others... also don't know. The primary problem, besides leaning on one's own understanding, is reading comprehension. First, there were NO capital letters in the writings. MEN, then, decided when to capitalize. And in doing so, they capitalized EVERY instance of the term "holy spirit." What they (and many today) MISS... is that there is holy spirit (the life force, blood, breath, and semen of God... which is HOLY)... and then there is the HOLY Spirit (the Son and Christ of God... who was GLORIFIED... and so BECAME the HOLY... Spirit - where he was just the SON, before).

I hope this helps, truly, and again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

To the contrary, dear Char (peace to you!), it only makes it "plain" if you are relying on what you see as set forth in the various mistransliterations. If you look at the words from which the verses are derived, you will "see" that he is NOT referring to a third person, but to himself.



Denied also by those closest to Christ, dear one, in body AND spirit. Believed only by those who either don't know... those who follow such... or those who are refomented a long, long belief in a triune god, which preceded Christ in MANY cultures of the nations, but not among Abraham's seed.



No, not entirely, dear one. Because of what you have been taught by those who don't know, also.



Yes, please do. Look up the history of the triune god. Then... try Christ. Rather than look to what man has written ABOUT him, either as they believe they know... or as they want YOU to know... look to the One about whom we are all discussing. Ask HIM. Or, if you believe in a separate Holy Spirit... ask that one. Surely, between the TWO... "someone" will respond, yes? Or what's the point in believing in EITHER?



Divinity (holiness and glorification) in two, yes: the Father, who is the MOST HOLY One of Israel... and the Son, who is the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit. There is no fourth "person" to help us, guide us, lead us, comfort us. No "mother" to so, and no saints... and no separate Holy Spirit. There is ONLY the Father... who has given His spirit to the SON... who gives it to us.

I hope this helps any who are wishing to know the TRUTH. Any who are can verify what IS the truth... simply by going TO that One, God's Truth (John 14:6). We don't have to wonder, question, opine, etc., because we can KNOW. But we can only know FROM the One who LEADS us into ALL truth: the FINE Shepherd... whose voice is to the sons of men... and is heard and obeyed by HIS sheep.

Peace to you all!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

Oh, I think not, Shelby, I think not.

Well, praise JAH... it's not about what EITHER of us THINK, yes, dear Char (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!)? Were that the case... well, I can only think: "WOE to you, mankind and all who reside on the earth... 'cause dear Char and Shelb are down there, among you, thinkin'!! May the mountains fall over you and the rocks conceal you... 'cause neither ONE of them knows anything at all!" LOLOLOLOL!

Which is why I prefer to leave the thinkin' to Christ, dear one... since HE knows... and just go with what HE thinks! Me? I woulda probably called for some kind of "Armageddon" to come down on a few folks by now, full of sin that I am - LOLOLOL! I can imagine some unsuspecting child having taken my doll... and ZAP!! Nohm'sayin', girl? So, no, no thinkin' for me - LOLOLOL!

Peace to you, dear one, and I hope you and yours are having a lovely weekend!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shellama

Perhaps we can make this easier for everyone (peace to you all!).

To those who believe in three persons in one God (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), may I impose upon you to explain the following verses? Thank you! And please, do not cut and paste from some religious commentary... or quote some theologian, scholar, etc. I am asking that, by means of what "the Holy Spirit" says to YOU... and/or the holy spirit IN you... what do YOU say that (one) has told YOU:

"Now the Lord is the Spirit..." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Is it the "LORD" that is God... or is it the "Lord" that is Christ? And if God OR Christ... or even God AND Christ... where do we discern that "The Holy Spirit" is the Spirit"? Where does it mention that "person"?

And these verses, from 1 John 2:20-28, if you would be so kind:

"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth."

1. Who do you say is "the Holy One" mentioned here? The Father? The Son? The Holy Spirit? One, two, all three? On what do you base that knowlege?

2. What is the anointing? What is its substance and how is it received?

"I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that [Jesus[ is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

I can see where the Father and the Son are referenced here, at least twice. Since the topic is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, however, why is "he" (the "third" person) not also referenced, since the gravest sin one can commit is against "him", NOT the Father OR the Son?

"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life."

Same thing here: I can see the Father and Son both mentioned. And that we are to remain in them. Are we to remain in them but NOT in the "third" person? Why not? If we are, why is "he" not mentioned by John? Surely, John would have included "him," if "he" existed, was part of "God", and John was to put his faith in "him" also, yes? Yet, not one word about "him". Why?

"I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you."

Is John lying? Or are we to believe that there ARE others, besides the anointing... that is to teach us? Or perhaps John's words have been tampered with? If so, by whom and for what purpose? And how do you know?

"But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him."

Who is the "his" whose anointing "teaches" us and the "him" John exhorts us to "remain in"? The Father? The Son? The Holy Spirit? If more than one... or all three... why did he not say "THEIR anointing" and "remain in THEM"?

And he says it again:

"And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming."

Why write as if only ONE person is involved, if there are THREE? Why write for us to continue in ONE, and by means of the One, in TWO... if we are actually to continue in THREE? Why write as if ONE will appear, if the TRUTH is that THREE will? Why write for us to be confident and ashamed before ONE, at ONE's coming... if it is THREE that we are to be confident and unashamed before, etc.?

If you believe we are misled... then EXPLAIN to us why we should not take these verses as they are stated. Explain to us where the error occurred, when, and by whom.

I look forward to your responses. Truly. NOT to contend, but to understand HOW what I have been given by my Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... is in error, in light of these verses.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA