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Well, I'VE just caught my second nosebleed of the day... fourth for the week (nope, don't know what's causin' 'em but they're not too bad, so I'm okay)... and so am going to power down for the night. Tomorrow's a brand new day, so here's looking forward to THAT... and some (much) more "interesting" posts (LOLOLOL!) particularly the one promised by dear Char (peace to you, luv!).

(SA rubs hands together like "The Fly" and laughs ominously).

Peace and good night to you ALL!

YOUR servant... and a slave of Christ,

SA

Shelby,

Vitamin K / Potassium . . . not too much . . . one pill a day for a couple of days . . . helps with nosebleeds, or at least the coagulation factor. I take one or two vitamin K pills when the weather starts to change just to prevent such a thing, or at least keep it to a minimum. Just saying what works for me, but it should be noted that taking too much could be dangerous, so use cautiously. Maybe consult your physician.

Nice.
Trust me, I moved on from your nonsense long ago, and it's not been me that runs around whining, as we all know. I suggest, since you can't seem to deal with your grievances and resentments honestly and openly, nor even privately, in an adult way, that YOU move on, and take your own advice.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Er????? What?????



And



Do you kind of zone out, get amnesia, get a mental block so you lose the ability to remember what you post or even to recognise your own signature?

And you stand in judgement over me with remarks like "I just hope she will start acting like the god fearing woman she purports to be"!

Listen to yourself! *sigh*

I'm probably just wasting my time. I begin to think you just can't. What a miserable, unhappy woman you must be.

Sad.

I deal honestly and straightforwardly with everyone, as those posts show. Nothing in the dark under the table, no hidden agendas. On the other hand, you appear to be completely unable to do that. It's not me that runs around desperately PMing everyone to whine and garner support.

Now, since you have no excuse for your underhanded sniping, which so many have witnessed, you want to deride me further, to promote your ongoing delusion that you are some ultra clever special woman. It isn't happening Char, you are simply revealing your true colours for all to see. Why not give up while you're ahead, and deal with whatever it is that's eating you up inside?

I'm done with this lady, enough already. I have more important things to do. If you decide to act with some sincerity and want to find a way to peace, you are welcome to PM me. Otherwise, for the sake of the peace on this forum, please refrain from engaging with me.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Stop creating myths.

This is a tactic straight out of the infant playground, "oooh, look at you, I know what you did, talking to X and Y trying to get support".

I don't need support for something I don't care about! Support for what? I'm not the one who needs propping up!

You say something, make a statement, hope desperately that someone out there will read it and think it's true. Come on, you can find another piece of fictitious mud to throw! Try harder! Someone out there might begin to believe you eventually!

Interesting that you have such an intense need to play to an imaginary gallery.

Trust me, (oops, I forgot, you don't'!) anyone here that I care about knows me well enough to recognise your sad desperate fantasy for what it is.

Anyone in PM correspondence with me knows how very much NOT about you any PM exchanges are!

*yawn*

LOL!

*shines torch under the table, looks for at least one hidden agenda*

*sigh*

*thinks* "Wish I knew what a hidden agenda looks like!"

*sigh*

Perhaps dear tec (good morning and peace to you, luv!) can create a separate room where you two dear ladies (good morning and peace to you, both, as well!) can "hash" out your differences? Not private because that way the rest of the board can't see/participate in it (which might be helpful if they did, for purposes of mediating a resolution), but simply different from THIS thread (so that we can get back on topic... or at least to related/similar topics that arise from some commonality with the original topic)?

Although I do wish you two dear ones could find some LOVING resolution, I do understand that such can take time, if it can occur at all... and so I don't wish to silence you: you apparently have some things within you (both) and so maybe "talking" it out will get you to resolution. So, I am all for you doing that... but just not in THIS thread.

What do you (and dear tec/moderators) think? Continue the discussion between you (and any other interested ones) but in a different (and private/isolated, if necessary) thread?

But I am going to appeal to you BOTH to stop discussing such things here out of respect and regard for the OP and other posters? (And yes, I realize that I have been guilty of similar conduct elsewhere, but goodness, we truly don't want to bring that kind of thing HERE, do we?? I don't!).

Otherwise, I fear moderators may force you both into silence for at time. And I don't think you want that. I certainly don't. So... please? Take it to a separate thread... or, if you can, leave be... or, even better... kiss and make up?

THANK you, both, and again peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shellama

(((tec))))

I generally am a very calm and respectful person. Because of this people tend to create a personality for me in their own minds. They believe that I would never act in a certain way because it just wouldn't be "me." Then when I do something contrary to their internal prototype of me they stand in utter disbelief and often shock. Their mind goes through a heap of justifications for me. "Maybe I am just tired and am not feeling myself" they will think. They desperately want me to be what they have characterized me as.

The reality is quite different, however. Instead of harboring a false reality of me, I suggest that the people who associate themselves with me take in my entire range of behavior and characterize me based on that. I can be as ruthless as I can be compassionate. I strive to imitate my Lord who was extremely coarse at times when he deemed it necessary. We are supposed to be slow to anger, not void of it.

I am curious as to how you believe you have the ability to ascertain whether or not an action of mine was motivated by love. Especially when I explicitly stated that it was so. There is such a thing as tough love. If I didn't feel love for Shelby, I would not have told her half the things I have told her. Friends tell each other when they are failing.

It's quite clear that Char has a very strong faith in the Lord Christ. Each person's relationship with Him is different, some hear a voice and others do not (the ones who do hear a voice are hearing something prompted by God, not God Himself). This doesn't mean that one method is superior than the other, it means that each method exists and is being used.

Shelby is a lost sheep of Israel. I tried my best to direct her back to the pen, but she has become accustomed to the places she has strayed. God leaves the 99 sheep in search of the 1. Many people have come into Shelby's life because God put them there in an effort to bring her back. She is missed. One by one each emissary was rebuked and told to go back to where they came from, which they all begrudgingly did, including me. Even though humans eventually give up on her as we all have our limits, God will never give up hope. He will continue to send people into her life with the intention of directing her back to Him. She has much work to do which she is avoiding like the plague. As long as she is comfortable in her lost state she will never heed the call of our Lord and return.

Faith is the fuel of perseverance. Char is a woman who has persevered through incredible strife. To even hint that she has a lack of faith in God is not only an insult to her on earth, but to God in heaven who has been with her for so long. Just because someone uses a differing method to speak to God doesn't mean they lack faith in God, it just means they lack faith in a single method. Luckily there are countless methods to choose from. Humans are a diverse creation and that's because we are loved by our Creator.

-Sab

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I have saved your comments, Char... and if you want them posted, then they can go into a pm, or in another thread. I know that you did not see my post before you posted here, so you could not have known that I was ending this at the last comments between you.

This is not a rebuke. Just an explanation.


Peace to you,
tammy

Peace to you!

Posts regarding this personal conflict end here, on this thread. I assume, considering the time stamp of that last little bit of back and forth, that you have each already decided to move on out of respect for the rest of the posters on this forum... as well as out of respect for Leaving, the author of this thread.

If you do want to continue, and you would like to start another thread in the hopes of resolving this difference, then of course you can do that. (still following the rules of course : ) )


Sab, I am not sure if I am going to respond to your post here or not... and there is no reason that our discussion should be revolving around a particular person, when we can speak about faith or lack of faith without doing so. I would like you to consider your consistency though, truly consider it... because you cannot on one hand tell someone that they should be leading and teaching others... then when that person disagrees with you in your assessment... turn around and on the other hand state that that person is instead lost and has no faith.


In any and all cases, I refer everyone to the rules and guidelines. And out of respect for Leaving-Quietly, let us get back ON topic, and move any further off-topic comments... off the thread.

Peace,
tammy

A former lost sheep, dear Sab (good day and peace to you!). Once a thing is found by it's owner, it is no longer lost. I could say, as Peter et al. did... and I often do, that I have found HIM. But the better truth is that HE found ME.



What pen, dear one? The pen of glorifying myself? The pen of Elohim? The pen of agreeing with Sab, who often admits he doesn't quite know what HE means/says/believes? Why would I do either?



The places where I have "strayed" have all been places where I've been led... by MY master, dear Sab. As part of HIS flock and those of HIS pen. He said that we would by no means COMPLETE the circuit of cities before he returned, so... I have faith in his words... and so will follow HIM, the Lamb... WHEREVER he goes. Also, if one become "accustomed", one tends to stay, put down roots... and NOT stray, yes?



Ah, no: He has given Christ that task, dear one. Whom YOU should be giving the glory. KISS the son, dear one... not overlook/ignore him.



Back "where", dear one? And what people? Those you previously named? Surely, you jest.



By WHOM? I am here, right here.



Those "emissaries", whom you named... don't even believe in God OR Christ, dear one. Nor do you, I think. So, if what you state is true, I am left with no choice but to assume you ALL "work" for another shepherd... and god. In which case, I MUST rebuke him (which sometimes means you receive HIS rebuke, yes!).



Which "God," dear one? The MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... whom you deny in favor of "Elohim"? As far as I know, you are the only one who has presented such to me. The others, whom you named, don't have faith in YOUR god, either. MY God, however, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... has not yet given up hope for YOU dear ones. You... have given up YOUR hope in HIM.



Dear, dear Sab... that is the "problem" - YOUR god... and theirs (although none of you recognize that he is the same one, with the same agenda... and simply using you) is no longer one I serve. I have moved ON from him, no longer in ANY part of his grasp. YOU dear ones, though, are full on in his employ. I get that you can't "see" that, now... and so I pray for you.



Me? Avoiding work for God? LOLOLOLOLOL! I'm sorry to laugh, dear one... but you TRULY have NO idea. None at all.



No, you are right. I will NEVER heed to the call of YOUR lord. So, yes, we agree on THAT. Yes, I once "served" him, too, as an instrument of HIS, and leading folks AWAY from JAH. That was then, luv; this is now... and I follow the Lamb. WHEREVER he goes. May the day come when you... and your fellow "emissaries"... are able to truly grasp... and see... that.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel... even those who are hard-headed, hard-hearted, and stiff-necked... still... and a slave of Christ, to time indefinite,

SA

Is that addressed to Sab, or me, or Sab and me, or what, Shel?

Emissaries? An emissary is a messenger sent out by someone. Whose emissaries do you have in mind?

And what on earth does it all mean?

Back to something of more substance and in keeping with more that is discussed on this site than personal differences, I want to return to the matter of differences of faith. Dear Char, I am thinking that due to my (very) long posts, you inadvertantly missed the following, so I am going to repost/reask it here. You stated:



To which I responded:



I then went on to consider that:



And then I offered the following explanation:



Now, I understand that the phrase "lack of faith" may have caused you some consternation (it certainly seemed to cause some for dear Sab - peace to you!). As dear LQ (peace to you, as well!) contributed, this was not to say you had NO faith, but a LACK [in your] faith. In effort to continue the conversation, though, I sincerely apologize if the term was misunderstood and take it back, absolutely no problem. I will even take back MY explanation as to why you commented as you did and give YOU a chance to help ME understand. In which light, I ask you:

Why did you comment as you did? Why did you negate that GOD told you something... by adding the words "in effect"? DID He tell you? Or didn't He? If He didn't, why did you say He did? If He DID... how... and why not GIVE Him the glory for doing so... rather than water it down with the words, "in effect"? What do those words "in effect" MEAN... in relation to your comment?

Please note, I am NOT trying to contend or pick your comment apart, or point a finger you, per se. I am TRULY interested in understanding why someone WITH faith would NOT just SAY Who it was that spoke to them... and how so... and give the glory TO the one WHO so spoke. I mean, rather than, say, "temper" it (possibly for the sake of others, who DO lack ANY faith and so think hearing God is a myth and those who do "crazy") in the way you did.

Please, explain for us... for ME? Because when I say I hear Christ... I don't hide from that truth... and I don't understand those who are adamant about their [abundance] of faith, doing so. One with a LACK of faith, yes. One with great faith... no, sorry. I don't understand.

I await your comment, please, and thank you, in advance.

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ (and, as both you and dear Sab state, one who should be able to ask you these things out of LOVE, without offending you),

Shellama

Good morning everyone
And good morning to you as we'll Sab...

I want to tell all of you this morning that " I love you". I realize there is a lot of differing issues here and disagreements. That I understand and have no problems with. Love can surpass all of this.
I would like to respond to this part of dear Sabs comment as to what I am hearing.

I personally do not question Dear Chars belief in God or His son. She has continually demonstrated this to all of us here and has endured even when we ALL at times may disagree.
That is not my issue with the comment HERE.
What I must question and test as to my hearing from Holy Spirit is this....

I heard my Lord ask me this morning, " Are there really countless methods to choose from to HEAR my Father? "

I said. " NO Lord", there is only ONE WAY! " It is through YOU!

This is why he said " I am the the (only) WAY, Truth and life. No one can get to Him ( the father) except through ME ( CHRIST)"

He continued to ask me now MANY different methods are there TODAY that our Father Jah has given us to get to the Son?

I answered, " only ONE that is truth!"

And it is even written how he speaks to us....
And that we are told to LISTEN to HIM!



Hbr 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;


Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!


Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"


Jhn 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.


It is when humans do not want to truly believe this and go to the ONLY source that leads to TRUTH is how and why we hear so many contradictions. We want to hear what we want to hear so we make it seem that it is god that is speaking when it is our own understanding and interpretation.
It is what leads astray many that refuse to go though " the door"/ being CHRIST and allows themselves use another means or door. John 10:1-15

It is these verses that help me understand as well that there are not " countless methods" to go through BUT...ONLY ONE!

So anyone...anywhere...at anytime through anything that allows themselves to be the method/ way/ title/ father/ leader etc... other than CHRIST himself who IS alive and speaks to US is where I personally cannot GO!

Whether or not ones hear his voice or not , I personally cannot deny that I do.


Just sharing what I hear on this, and I understand that not all may agree.
Love and blessings to you today
Justmom