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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:41 pm 
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I just came across news related to JWs, and, for some Reason, immediately thought of this forum:

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/foreign ... 015/02/18/

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They distribute ballots to elect the 'Savior."

By: Tzvi Ben-Gedalyahu
Published: February 18th, 2015

Missionaries have been exploiting the elections campaign and Israel’s frustration with unwanted candidates by distributing fake election ballots with the letters of a fictional party that translates into English as the “Savior,” meaning Jesus.

The anti-missionary organization Yad L’Achim said hundreds of complaints have poured in about Jehovah’s Witnesses and Messianic Jews who have arrived in Israel to “campaign” for JC.

Given the low-level campaign that has focused on no substantial issues other than how low below the belt candidates can slug each other, the missionaries know they have a waiting audience for someone who introduces a new candidate.

Since many voters are so sick of Bujie, Livni and Bibi, the missionaries are a big problem. They hand out brochures with the headline “The government has fallen again and we have elections again.”

The brochure continues:
Why elections again? Because corruption is rampant? No
Because violence is increasing? No.

The government has fallen again because everyone is only concerned with keeping his seat of power and does not care about us, the plain citizen.

After setting up the naïve voters, the brochure offers “hope” in the party of the Messiah, not to be confused with Bujie, Livni, and Bibi and let’s not forget the Haredi parties.

So what do the missionaries want from the Israeli voter? They want exactly the same thing that Bujie, Livni and Bibi want. Just believe them, and the brochure, like the political leaders, lie by insisting it is telling the truth, to wit:
Unlike all the politicians, the Messiah really does care about you. He invites you to place all your worries on him…
Therefore, all we have to do is to believe – vote – for Messiah.

The missionaries hand out fake ballots with the acronym for the “party” spelled with four Hebrew letters – Yud-Shin-Vav-Ayin- which spell Savior.

The election system in Israel features each party with an acronym of up to three letters. For example, the Bayit Yehudi (Jewish Home) is known by the Hebrew letters Tet-Bet. The Herzog-Livni combo retains the former Labor party’s letters of Aleph-Mem-Tuf.

It is not enough that Herzog-Livni have called themselves the “Zionist Camp” but they also go by the Labor acronym, which in Hebrew reads “emet,” or “truth.”

It would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that there are enough gullible people who allow the party to give the Likud – Mem-Chet-Lamed – a good run for its money.

Perhaps President Barack Obama sent the missionaries in retaliation for Netanyahu’s speech in Congress next month on the Iran nuclear threat.

More likely, they were sent by the JC crowd, which is roaming around the streets of Jerusalem, metropolitan Tel Aviv, Be’er Sheva and other cities.

Yad L’Achim reported that one of those who protested the missionaries’ presence was none other than the deputy mayor of Haifa, Rabbi Aryeh Blitental, who wrote, “Missionaries in Haifa are acting in a very conniving way Its dubious activities include placing Hebrew flyers in residents’ mail boxes. They take advantage of innocent Jews, who are not knowledgeable about Jewish practices, to preach to them about abandoning their religion. They act with cunning and deceit, and, to our great sorrow, have seen no little success.”

He asked for Yad L’Achim to help counter the missionaries, and the organization promptly launched a PR counteroffensive.

It sent out teams of activists who distributed material that exposed the lies of the missionaries and announced plans to expand the activities of its Haifa branch in order to serve as a counterbalance to the mounting missionary presence in the city.

Missionaries are a disease in Israel. Unlike politicians, nothing discourages them. They accept failure as the test of JC to suffer.


Page two of this article contains comments from viewers. Any comments from the viewers here?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:12 pm 
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I didn't really have any comments. Proselytizing is nothing new, missionaries are nothing new, the means used to DO the converting are nothing new, not really. Fear, force, love-bombing, bribes/deals, etc. Not very often is proselytizing about Truth (Christ) alone. So there really wasn't much to say, although the topic did prompt me to research proselytizing laws/taboos/etc in Israel, so thanks for that sKally. It is not illegal in most circumstances but it is taboo and greatly resented.

This is from 2000 -2001

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2001/5697.htm

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A 1977 anti-proselytizing law prohibits any person from offering or receiving material benefits as an inducement to conversion; however, there have been no reports of the law's enforcement. A bill that would have restricted proselytizing further was promulgated in 2000; however, similar bills did not reach a final vote in the past and local observers do not believe that this bill will be enacted. Christian and other evangelical groups asserted that the draft bills were discriminatory and served to intimidate Christian groups.


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Missionaries are allowed to proselytize, although the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) voluntarily refrains from proselytizing under an agreement with the Government.


The agreement (then or more recently, I'm not sure) is that the LDS refrains from proselytizing in order to be granted a building permit for a Jerusalem center. That is a topic all its own, lol... considering I have always understood that part of their faith IS mandatory proselytizing, but they gave that up in a deal to build a center instead.

Perhaps I misunderstood, but I don't think so. I do think that is a good example of getting into bed with governments in order to get something that you want. Seems like a small thing, but is it really?

Here is the most recent info on that:

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2010/148825.htm

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Proselytizing is legal in the country and missionaries of all religious groups are allowed to proselytize all citizens; however, a 1977 law prohibits any person from offering material benefits as an inducement to conversion. It was also illegal to convert persons under 18 years of age unless one parent were an adherent of the religious group seeking to convert the minor. Despite the legality of proselytism, the government has taken a number of steps that encouraged the perception that proselytizing is against government policy. For example, the MOI has detained individuals suspected of being “missionaries,” and required of such persons bail and a pledge to abstain from missionary activity, in addition to refusing them entry into the country. It maintained denunciations of such activity from antimissionary groups like Yad L'Achim in its border control databases. The MOI has also cited proselytism as a reason to deny student, work, and religious visa extensions, as well as to deny permanent residency petitions. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) promised the Knesset in 1986 to refrain from all proselytism voluntarily in conjunction with receiving a building permit for its Jerusalem Center following protests from the Orthodox community.



Some info from the original link on how the people feel about proselytizing:

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Societal attitudes toward missionary activities and conversion generally are negative. Israeli Jews frequently are opposed to missionary activity directed at Jews and occasionally are hostile toward Jewish converts to Christianity. Such attitudes often are attributed to the frequent periods in Jewish history in which Jews were coerced to convert to Christianity.

Christian and Muslim Israeli Arab religious leaders complain that missionary activity that leads to conversions frequently disrupts family coherence in their community. Muslims consider any conversion from Islam to be apostasy.

In recent years, evangelical Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Reform and Conservative Jews complained of incidents of harassment, threats, and vandalism directed against their buildings, and other facilities, many of which were committed by two ultra-Orthodox groups, Yad L'Achim and Lev L'Achim. There were no such incidents reported during the period covered by this report.


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In any case, I was thinking about this thread at the grocery store, still thinking I had no comments on the actual topic, and the Spirit reminded me of His words here:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hades as you are."








I also couldn't figure out what was so 'tricky' about this fake election ballot. Would anyone really have believed that there was a real election that had the Christ running in it? Then my Lord helped me see that the election ballot is the lure... because there is an election going on (coming up in a few more weeks), designing their religious tract as being part of that process 'tricked' people into reading it, rather than just throwing it out.

That is just going to annoy someone who is truthful, and turn them away. Because for one Truth does not need 'gimmicks'. And for two... that IS deceitful, and deceit has nothing to do with Truth. It is like the jw lady who many years ago knocked on my door and started talking to me about the environment. Not until well into her 'hook', did she reveal that she was a jw and that the knock on the door was about religion, not the environment. I wasn't really annoyed about it, but it did take away her credibility, at least with me.


I am glad you listened to the "Reason" who reminded you of this forum when you read the article, sKally ; )



Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:33 pm 
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Pseudo Christians are always looking for a Gimmick to entice you into their beliefs..
Which never has anything to do with being Christian..
It`s obvious they didn`t get it right this time either..

Advertising an Election for Jesus..
Shows you how out of touch Pseudo Christians are,with what Jesus Taught..

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What makes it worse..
Is a Non Believer pointing it out..LOL!!..

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:51 pm 
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Okkaayyyyyy, dear Sher'f (peace to you, luv!). Not only do they overlook what my Lord SAID, but this:

"After the people saw the sign [Jesus] performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force... " John 6:14, 15

Wait, they wanted to take him BY FORCE and make him king? Not so fast. Let's look at that statement, "by force." The Greek word used harpazō (G726), which means, to a greater or lesser extent:

l. to seize, carry off by force
ll. to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly
lll. to snatch out or away


(see http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex ... G726&t=KJV)

Is this what was MEANT, though? One shouldn't be so sure. In this case, given the situation, one might look further... at the ROOT word, haireō (G138)... because doing so might uncover something quite interesting, especially in light of what the folks this article is speaking about are insinuating (that "Jesus" is who folks should be voting for):

l. to take for oneself, to prefer, choose
ll. to choose by vote, elect to office


Say, what, now? What I'm saying is that the early folks didn't want to seize my Lord and just make him a king - I mean, HE would have had to CONSENT to that, yes? So, they couldn't have just taken him by FORCE and MADE him [a] king. And that's not what the verse was suggesting. Rather, it was suggesting that the people who wanted him to be [their] king CHOSE him ("Hey, we want THIS guy to be king!").

Even so, even though they wanted him to be [their] king, chose him to be... what did HE do? As verse 15 continues, he:

"... withdrew again to a mountain by himself."

Why? Because he KNEW... it would not be MAN who installed him as king, but his FATHER, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies. Why only JAH? Because NO... TRUE... king of Israel had EVER been installed by man... or ever WILL be. ALL of the "rightful" kings of Israel were chosen by JAH Himself. And anointed AS king by those HE designated to do such anointing.

And it is no different for us, the members of the Body of Christ. As my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) said:

"You did not choose me, but I chose you..." John 15:16

And he is the ONLY One given authority to "anoint" any OTHERS who would be rightful kings in ALL creation:

"... with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” John 20:22, 23; 3:5-8; acts 2:2-4

If these were truly christians, they would know that their campaigns are as empty as their hearts. Rather than going around and do what the nations DO, they SHOULD be trying to learn to walk by FAITH, not by SIGHT. And all of them would say they WERE walking by faith; yet, every one of them would run for the hills were my Lord to appear to them. Would they SEEN him. Because he is NOT the tall, strapping, blonde-haired, blue-eyed... or black-haired, brown-eyed... "man"... they all believe him to be.

May the day come when they all DO know him... as WELL as see him... and yet, be able to stand before him. Not fall, but stand. To his glory... and the Father's.

Peace to you all!

A slave of Christ,

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Hey Shelby!..

I never knew that..
They would try to "Make Jesus King by Force"..

That kinda sucks..
Why not make Somebody a King,who Wants to be King??!!..
I`d love to be King!.....So far No Offers..


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It is Good To Be King [DumbDumb]:

https://www.youtube.com/user/ewatchmandotcom

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