I didn't really have any comments. Proselytizing is nothing new, missionaries are nothing new, the means used to DO the converting are nothing new, not really. Fear, force, love-bombing, bribes/deals, etc. Not very often is proselytizing about Truth (Christ) alone. So there really wasn't much to say, although the topic did prompt me to research proselytizing laws/taboos/etc in Israel, so thanks for that sKally. It is not illegal in most circumstances but it is taboo and greatly resented.
This is from 2000 -2001
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2001/5697.htmQuote:
A 1977 anti-proselytizing law prohibits any person from offering or receiving material benefits as an inducement to conversion; however, there have been no reports of the law's enforcement. A bill that would have restricted proselytizing further was promulgated in 2000; however, similar bills did not reach a final vote in the past and local observers do not believe that this bill will be enacted. Christian and other evangelical groups asserted that the draft bills were discriminatory and served to intimidate Christian groups.
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Missionaries are allowed to proselytize, although the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) voluntarily refrains from proselytizing under an agreement with the Government.
The agreement (then or more recently, I'm not sure) is that the LDS refrains from proselytizing in order to be granted a building permit for a Jerusalem center. That is a topic all its own, lol... considering I have always understood that part of their faith IS mandatory proselytizing, but they gave that up in a deal to build a center instead.
Perhaps I misunderstood, but I don't think so. I do think that is a good example of getting into bed with governments in order to get something that you want. Seems like a small thing, but is it really?
Here is the most recent info on that:
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2010/148825.htmQuote:
Proselytizing is legal in the country and missionaries of all religious groups are allowed to proselytize all citizens; however, a 1977 law prohibits any person from offering material benefits as an inducement to conversion. It was also illegal to convert persons under 18 years of age unless one parent were an adherent of the religious group seeking to convert the minor. Despite the legality of proselytism, the government has taken a number of steps that encouraged the perception that proselytizing is against government policy. For example, the MOI has detained individuals suspected of being “missionaries,” and required of such persons bail and a pledge to abstain from missionary activity, in addition to refusing them entry into the country. It maintained denunciations of such activity from antimissionary groups like Yad L'Achim in its border control databases. The MOI has also cited proselytism as a reason to deny student, work, and religious visa extensions, as well as to deny permanent residency petitions. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) promised the Knesset in 1986 to refrain from all proselytism voluntarily in conjunction with receiving a building permit for its Jerusalem Center following protests from the Orthodox community.
Some info from the original link on how the people feel about proselytizing:
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Societal attitudes toward missionary activities and conversion generally are negative. Israeli Jews frequently are opposed to missionary activity directed at Jews and occasionally are hostile toward Jewish converts to Christianity. Such attitudes often are attributed to the frequent periods in Jewish history in which Jews were coerced to convert to Christianity.
Christian and Muslim Israeli Arab religious leaders complain that missionary activity that leads to conversions frequently disrupts family coherence in their community. Muslims consider any conversion from Islam to be apostasy.
In recent years, evangelical Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Reform and Conservative Jews complained of incidents of harassment, threats, and vandalism directed against their buildings, and other facilities, many of which were committed by two ultra-Orthodox groups, Yad L'Achim and Lev L'Achim. There were no such incidents reported during the period covered by this report.
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In any case, I was thinking about this thread at the grocery store, still thinking I had no comments on the actual topic, and the Spirit reminded me of His words here:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hades as you are."
I also couldn't figure out what was so 'tricky' about this fake election ballot. Would anyone really have believed that there was a real election that had the Christ running in it? Then my Lord helped me see that the election ballot is the lure... because there is an election going on (coming up in a few more weeks), designing their religious tract as being part of that process 'tricked' people into reading it, rather than just throwing it out.
That is just going to annoy someone who is truthful, and turn them away. Because for one Truth does not need 'gimmicks'. And for two... that IS deceitful, and deceit has nothing to do with Truth. It is like the jw lady who many years ago knocked on my door and started talking to me about the environment. Not until well into her 'hook', did she reveal that she was a jw and that the knock on the door was about religion, not the environment. I wasn't really annoyed about it, but it did take away her credibility, at least with me.
I am glad you listened to the "Reason" who reminded you of this forum when you read the article, sKally ; )
Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy