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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:29 pm 
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I agree

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I also love croutons
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:29 pm 
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SHIRLEYW SAID

Hey Tammy - Were you in the Cult when they were using the magenta colored song book? Don't remember the title but there's a song in there that uses that line, and if you heard it, it's one where the melody is easy to remember, that's why it'stuck in my head!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:29 pm 
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TEC SAID

Oh, no, I wasn't in that far, Shirley. I studied for two years, believed most of it for a while, but I never went to the meetings except for the one memorial near the end of my study. So I would not have known anything about the songs... other than what I have heard about them on jwn.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:30 pm 
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ATALOA SAID

I don't know if I should laugh on such a dignified thread, but OMG Voices! You had me ROFL with the bread thing. Had a coughing spell AND I lost my breath. I love the details.

And as far as the person next to you handing the tray directly back to the usher, I see them do that all the time and bypass the person on the very end. (Because they've already got to 'hold' the emblems)

I enjoyed all your experiences and am looking forward to hearing from Shelby.


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HAPPYTOBEOUT SAID

(WON'T LET ME PUT IT HERE, SORRY... SAYS THERE IS AN ERROR... SO I CANNOT GET YOUR WITNESS IN)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:31 pm 
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JOCHY SAID

HTBO, Blessings to you and yours and thanks for sharing with us.


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LOZ SAID

Wow HappyToBeOut, and hello to you! Well done for partaking last night, wonderful to show our love publicly isn't it? Your experience resembles mine as does the sadness you felt for them. Thank you for sharing this with us.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:32 pm 
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I am curious do ex JWs who still have their faith attend Catholic mass or Protestant churches?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:32 pm 
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JOCHY SAID

After I was able to experience what it is to have a personal relationship with our loving Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, without intermediaries of the only mediator, I don't think I come to be part of an organized religion by men again. Slave only of God and Christ.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:32 pm 
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Waving at my dear sister (really) HTBO and dear one Voices... and wishing you all peace...

Dear Chaps... peace to you! I am again puzzled by your perception that simply asking a question here... or even disagreeing... is going to result in a "pounding." I truly wish you could allow yourself to move past whatever it is that compels you to keep making such statements as they really are misleading. Of course, you may receive responses SO true that they FEEL like a pounding... but truth isn't always easy to hear as I am sure you know.

In that light please know I mean NO pounding but SURELY you (and a couple/few others) view your presence HERE as beneficial to some point, yes? You don't believe what we do (have left off from it for the most part) but feel its okay to be here and ask questions. And you are able to do so by indirect invitation, if not direct invitation, yes? Now of course WE would LOVE it if everyone here confessed a union with Christ AND/OR kept the topics about him/things related to him/God. That is not the case of course but it would be nice. We recognize however that some don't believe exactly as we do or maybe at all. Still when we say all are welcome we mean that so long as they are respectful and not overly disruptive

As dear OUTLAW pointed out the WTBTS invitation is to ALL either directly or indirectly. And of course they want as many as possible there foe their number count. So we can be there. We don't disrupt anything though. Rather we actually do what they SAY... versus what THEY do. Which is what Christ said to do (Matthew 23:2, 3).

They SAY that those who believe they SHOULD partake SHOULD partake. That OBEDIENCE to God is TANTAMOUNT. WE... AGREE. THEY do not do as they say, thought, not us. WE do "just so." Quietly and respectfully... in honor of and obedience TO the Ones THEY say they are obeying... but aren't.

We don't NEED them... or anyone... to understand WHY we do it, although any one of us would be QUITE happy to explain... if ASKED... any more than YOU need to explain to us why you are HERE. You have your reasons of course, which COULD include thinking you can save us from ourselves (or, more likely, some from me - wink!). Whatever your reasons, you have them.

And so do we. For us it's love: for our dear Lord, our dear Father... and those THEY love. Love that says we are willing to go back into a burning building ONCE A YEAR to help any who MIGHT be looking find the WAY out. And not just out of one room to be trapped in another... but out of building entirely and to a SAFE city... where there are NO burning houses. And the only city where that is possible is the NEW Jerusalem.

WE know that there is really only ONE Way....
Christ. And so only ONE Way out... so as to MAKE it to Zion. Christ. Because not only is he the only One who can lead us "there" but the ONLY Door into the "city" he is building there!

But how will these ever know? Okay so some find out AFTER leaving. Good for them! Does that mean we only rejoice with those who got out and just stand by and let those who haven't burn?

Some people stand outside KHs or DCs with signs and megaphones and what not to protest WTBTS doctrines as to blood and DFing and breaking up families. If WE are also protesting then it is silently and respectfully as to something much more important: the shutting up of the kingdom of God before HIS sheep... due to LIES about Him uses to fearmonger

Based on that, then, and given my Lords conduct at the temple and synagogues of HIS day in the flesh... which were all part of a system rejected BY God, I ask YOU: what WOULD Christ do HERE?

The answer is sublime. He would do what we, who are SUBSTITUTING AS AMBASSADORS for him... are doing.

I hope that this helps and that you don't try to label it a "pounding." It was not but am attempt to try and help YOU perhaps see that in TRUTH we are doing what YOU most probably think YOU are doing as to US. And while we may not understand why YOU would go somewhere and engage in an activity (posting on a sit "for Christ")... we absolutely respect your need... and CHOICE... to do it. Regardless of your reason(s).

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

A slave of Christ,

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:32 pm 
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HTBO, thanks for sharing all of that. I got offered bible studies too, which I turned down. I got offered placement of magazines, which I also politely refused.

Okay... so last night I was feeling down after the meeting, and I did not share very much. But this is how my night went.

I did not dress up. I wore a nice shirt, and a favorite cardigan sweater that covers my butt, and jeans. I did not do it to be disrespectful. I wore what I always wear because Christ and God do not care what you wear. They care about the INSIDE. So I stood out like a sore thumb right from the get-go. I am sure that those who saw me and did not know me, thought I was some poor lost soul.

Then I saw my former study conductor, who just happened to be in town this year, and also many others who remembered me from before came over and greeted me. I assume they thought I was returning, though I turned down the offers of bible studies and magazines. I did not give reasons why, I just said no thank you, I do not need them.

My friend sat next to me when everything started. The hall was packed... it was at a hotel convention center. There were three congregations there. I did not sing the songs, or amen their prayers. I just stood quietly.

I was nervous also. Not about partaking. There was no chance I would pass Him by. But I nervous that I would not say the right words when/if someone asked me about why I partook. If they had all been strangers, it would have been easier, I think. But they were not.

I did not pull out my bible for all the readings, though I had brought it. I did not need it to know what the verses being read actually say. My friend had forgotten her reading glasses, and I leaned over and offered to help her find the passages, saying 'Maybe I can help you see.' Funny thing, I had not even realized I'd said those words, until she repeated them back to me with a little laugh. Surprised me too.

I was also saddened by the great emphasis placed against partaking. The talk was not like that 4 years ago. The only thing that caught my attention 4 years ago was the emphasis on 11 apostles, rather than the 12. One thing that caught my attention was one of the things used to get people to doubt that they could possibly have the right to partake. The speaker said that those who partake are as sure of their 'heavenly hope' as they are of their own name. So if you did not have that surety (and how could anyone in that hall have that surety while being inundated by how it is not for them?), then it was not for you. Then there was also the damage control about how people in the world have different occupations and duties, so that even if someone DOES partake, that does not mean the rest of them should.

The speaker even asked, just before sending out the plates, who had the heavenly hope. For a moment, I thought he was asking for a show of hands, but he quickly moved on to his next point. That was eyebrow raising

I was sitting at the end of the aisle, and I can relate to what Voices said about how quick the attendant reached to take the plate, though I did not pass it to him until I took some of the bread. My friend moved as if to correct me and stopped herself (like a mom correcting a child who did not know better). I looked over at her after, and she whispered that she would talk with me later. So I knew she thought that I must have forgotten the 'rules' (though the talk beforehand made them pretty clear). I just said quietly, "I know."

Bit of surprise at that, then the wine came around as well. I noticed that they pass the bread and wine so fast... almost like its a game of hot potato.

Then the memorial ended, and she sat with me a bit, asking about what had changed. Earlier she had invited me for coffee with some others, and she asked me if I had called my husband yet about going, but seemed uncomfortable. I asked her if she still wanted me to go, and she said yes... but I assured her I would not be offended, that she and I could get together on our own if she liked that better. So she took my number and e-mail. (This is the part I felt bad about last night... I think I should have gone)

I did tell her while we sat and talked that I came there because I had said no the first time I went to the memorial with her, when I should have said yes. I said that there is one hope, and that Christ is calling everyone to have life in Him, that I came as a witness to that. I told her that I was sorry that I had upset her. (not that i had partaken) She said, oh no, I am not the judge, it isn't for me to say anything... I am just surprised. But that she did want to get together and talk, and I said I would also like that.

Then we hugged and I left.


So that was my evening. I am glad to have gone. I am so glad actually... especially with the emphasis on telling people that they are NOT of the hope to be with Christ, or part of the new covenant (which is what the blood/wine represents). Most of those who saw me partake know that I did not do it by accident. So despite my own sadness in not giving further witness at coffee, I was greatly refreshed by all of you when I read of your accounts, and the courage and love that you showed by going.


Much peace and love to you all, in Christ, and thank you for refreshing and strengthening me!

Your servant, and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

tammy


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As much as I utterly detest and abhor JWism, I have to grudgingly agree with Chappy.
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JOCHY SAID

Tammy, you honored our Lord properly.


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LOZ SAID

Tammy, wow, that was an exceptional witness to Christ that you gave. If you were meant to go for coffee that would've happened, as it is this lady can speak to you one to one with no restrictions now if she wants that.

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LEAVING QUIETLY SAID

Shelby,

You've said a few times that JWs believe those who do not partake have life in themselves. I don't understand the phrasing you use "life . . . in themselves". Can you explain how they teach this? I've never heard this taught, at least not quite so directly.


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