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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:56 am 
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PSACRAMENTO SAID

Most pf the atheist I know are happy people and not angry at all.
Same goes for the agnostics or believers.
I think that people that have escaped from a cult and became atheists can be far less tolerant of religion and that is very understandable.


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OUTLAW SAID

Atheists are angry because they can`t figure out which came first..

The Chicken or the Colonel?..


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Good point Outlaw!

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YPPUPLLEH SAID

the Colonel came after eating a tasty bucket of chicken ;p


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people that have escaped from a cult and became atheists can be far less tolerant of religion and that is very understandable.


Indeed, dear P (the greatest of love and peace to you!); however, I think some of these haven't TRULY shed the "baggage" of such cult-thinking as they might think they have... and thus, not the habits (of the cult), including the habit... of FEAR. And fear... makes people think, say, and do some very UNloving things.

Again, peace to you, dear one!

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PSACRAMENTO SAID

True, I think that what makes a person be part of a cult for years is something that, if not dealt with, will just make that person find another "cult".
I think that the close mindedness and lack of love for outsiders that is prevalent in the JW's is carried on by many who have left that cult and found another.


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CHARIKLO SAID

Interesting, Paul, that you say most of the atheists (and others) who you know are happy people. That is true in my offline life too. I had never met, here in the UK, anyone who minded anyone else being atheist or agnostic, now any atheist who was full of resentment and anger or other negative feelings towards people who didn't believe the same as them. Basically, I am fortunate in living in a very tolerant part of the world.

Paul, I have a feeling you're not part of the Jehovah's-witness.net forum. Those of us who were or are still participants there have seen in the last few weeks and maybe months a torrent of aggressive and negative. Behaviour from some individuals, enough for them to have been warned and disciplined by moderators.

I think you'll find that the angry be have our mentioned in this thread is mainly there and elsewhere in a more atheist environment.

One thing: Paul, you say that the atheists you know, and the agnostics and believers to...so mainly everyone!...are happy people. That suggests to me that you are a happy person too, because so often the adage that we tend to experience people who reflect, not necessarily ourselves, but the attitudes and approach we bring to the world.

In that regard, perhaps the very negative behaviour some of us have experienced recently over on JWN merely reflect, for the most part, the anguish people have experienced from all manner of happenings in their WT experiences. I'm not sure if you were ever involved with the JW scenario. I was never a full JW but came close, and the scars are still very raw. Some of those over on JWN are very wounded, though not all are so bitter.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:58 am 
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Interesting, Paul, that you say most of the atheists (and others) who you know are happy people. That is true in my offline life too. I had never met, here in the UK, anyone who minded anyone else being atheist or agnostic, now any atheist who was full of resentment and anger or other negative feelings towards people who didn't believe the same as them. Basically, I am fortunate in living in a very tolerant part of the world.

Paul, I have a feeling you're not part of the Jehovah's-witness.net forum. Those of us who were or are still participants there have seen in the last few weeks and maybe months a torrent of aggressive and negative. Behaviour from some individuals, enough for them to have been warned and disciplined by moderators.

I think you'll find that the angry be have our mentioned in this thread is mainly there and elsewhere in a more atheist environment.

One thing: Paul, you say that the atheists you know, and the agnostics and believers to...so mainly everyone!...are happy people. That suggests to me that you are a happy person too, because so often the adage that we tend to experience people who reflect, not necessarily ourselves, but the attitudes and approach we bring to the world.

In that regard, perhaps the very negative behaviour some of us have experienced recently over on JWN merely reflect, for the most part, the anguish people have experienced from all manner of happenings in their WT experiences. I'm not sure if you were ever involved with the JW scenario. I was never a full JW but came close, and the scars are still very raw. Some of those over on JWN are very wounded, though not all are so bitter.


I was on the JW forum for a bit, there is where I "met" Shelby, Outlaw, Tammy and others.
I still correspond with some there but don't post there anymore.
It's not an environment that I care to be a part of anymore.
It served it's purpose and allowed me to understand the JW mentality of current believers and former ones.

I have found that people tend to be far more "bullish" and rude online than they are in real life. Anonymity makes people behave like asses sometimes.

IMO, the very traits that many former JW's had as JW's ( I am right, you are wrong, appeal to authority, ridicule those not part of the "inner circle", etc) is still there as atheists or skeptics.
I don't think that many people realize that it is the TRAITS that made them stay in a cult that need to be eliminated along with being part of the cult.
Many left the JW's but kept the "JW mentality".


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CHARIKLO SAID

And I think you've probably hit the nail right on the head there, Paul!


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Also in our day to day lives we are exposed to so much more than can be found in a forum. Other thoughts and ideas outside the realm of religion take priority during discussions and in forums that are more generic in nature.

JWN, exSec, and exChrist forums already narrow the scope to a very fine slit so it's easier to focus on the topics of religion and lack therof. I'm sure that if everybody met on the streets that the dynamics between everyone would be different
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I still correspond with some there but don't post there anymore.
It's not an environment that I care to be a part of anymore.


Ahhh, for your strength, dear P - LOLOLOL! It ISN'T very conducive, it is, to the "christ-like" personality. At least, not for me (well, not always - LOLOL!).

May I one day join you... in holding onto my resolve in this, my dear brother... once and for all! And soon - LOLOLOL!

Peace... and THANK you for that bit of encouragement!

YSSFS of Christ,

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PSACRAMENTO SAID

There are a lot of good people over there and I miss some of them.
But the excessive negativity is a bit much at times.
I like debating and discussing things with people that are more open minded and that are open to seeing the other side, as opposed to rejecting anything that doesn't fit into their "box".

I have noticed that self-professed critical thinkers tend to be critical of the thinking of OTHERS and not so much of their own.

We are all guilty of bias but we should be open to the FACT that we ARE guilty of that.


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GLADIATOR SAID

What puzzles me is that many atheists are angry with God.
Now is that an oxymoron or what?


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Yes Gladiator, you're right, they are. What an ultimate irony that is! It's almost as if their anger at him is what's turned them atheist.

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CHARIKLO SAID

I think it's all part of the process of recovery from the JW experience, in the recent instances we've encountered.

It hits us all in different ways and some people get "stuck" in anger and bitterness.


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