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Hello and peace to everyone this morning!

There is a new video just out from Nathan Wheeler wherein he explains how he knows what he has experienced is from God. A few things he covers in this:

1. Brown Cloud............22:55

2. Why he does not call Christ 'Jesus' and calls God Yahveh..............32:35

3. How he knows the voice is of God.................43:10



And much, much more; it is really very interesting. I highly recommend watching the whole 67 minutes when you get time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI0NorjvqNY

Thanks At! I don't have speakers at the moment, but I will watch when I get them back.


Peace to you!
your servant and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

May you have Peace, Ataloa:

As you requested/suggested, I went and listened to a good amount of this gentleman’s testimony. And, as you say, his testimony is quite interesting. And what he does say does contain a lot of “truth” in comparison to most; however, note that there are kernels of falsehood in some of the things he states too.

He certainly is interesting and entertaining as he relates his experiences, and I’ve no doubt that what he says happened to him happened to him. It’s just that those kernels of falsehood turn me off.

No disrespect is intended when I say the above, it’s just what I observed in the listening to him of what he presented.

Maybe, because you seem to admire him, you might consider communicating with Mr. Wheeler in the manner of Priscilla and Aquila like when they instructed Apollos a bit more accurately.

Acts 18:25-27: 25 This man [Apollos] had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; 26 and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. 27 And when he wanted to go across to Achaia, the brethren encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him; and when he had arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace. . . .

Nevertheless, may Jah continue to bless you, Ataloa

Come! Take Life’s Water—FREE!

--Armand

Peace to you, Armand, and thanks for the feedback. Yes he is a very interesting person and these new videos are so passionate, they are a joy for me to listen to. That is one thing lacking on a discussion board - you can't quite feel passion most of the time unless someone is mad!

I don't yet know what to make of him myself; I will probably wait until the end of the series to make up my mind, because he keeps surprising me with more truths when I think he's gone astray lol. It is just that I find it amazing that one person corroborates so much of what we find to be true.

For instance, him pronouncing God's name YahVEH instead of how most people say YahWEH. And also that he knows that prayer is to be a private thing; I don't suppose I ever heard anyone say that except here on this board.

But some of the comments made down below the videos don't seem to jibe with truth. He said he couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to get healed from his heart condition, because he longs to be in paradise. That makes me think that he doesn't believe he will be sleeping in death for a time. So I would be interested to know what others think if they do listen, and it may well be a case of him needing some correction on some things.

Dearest 'At... the greatest of love and peace to you and your household, dear sister! It's taken me some time to comment here for several reasons, that I know folks here will put faith in what I share, what I say is true or not true... and that shouldn't be the case, particularly in a situation like this. Truth is truth regardless of what I say is/is not. So, I don't want folks to go with what I say is/isn't the case with this gentleman but to KNOW for themselves.

So, I would like to suggest this, if you don't mind: if you cannot tell, perhaps from what our dear Lord has already told us... please try asking (if you have not already, of course). Go to our dear Lord and ask HIM if this man is "from" or in union with him... and then put faith in what you hear FROM our dear Lord... particularly as to why (not).

Wait, though, please: if you do this, please try to not put faith in what you "WANT" to hear, so that you are not misled (by your own understanding and desire) and convinced of something that may NOT be true. For instance, if don't WANT this man to be authentic... or if perhaps you DO... don't go to our dear Lord with your heart and mind already "made up." Go openly... and emptily... with the purpose of having HIM tell you and "fill" you with the truth on this matter. Clear your heart, clear your mind, clear your own desires... just seek/ask for the TRUTH... FROM the Truth. It might even help to go to the Father, THROUGH our dear Lord, and ask the Father to ALLOW our Lord to tell you. Maybe. It might not be necessary, but if you feel you're having difficulty, you can try that.

Please know, I did ask... for myself... and just to be sure (because I knew the answer before I did ask, based on what our dear Lord has already told me... us), but didn't want to risk "lean(ing) on my OWN understanding." So, I went to him to make SURE that what I [believed I] already knew was in fact true. And you, all of you dear ones, can do the same.

I think you may already know what I would here... and perhaps why/on what bases... but I do NOT want to taint YOU or anyone else with what *I* believe is true/not true here. I could be just as false/misleading and seeking my own desire, as anyone else. MUCH greater ones than me (i.e., David, Solomon, Moses, Peter, Sarah, etc.) have done so, put their own will/desires over what was TRUE... so it would be very presumptuous for me to even ask anyone to believe what I believe here. You need to know for yourselves and not "just because" you "have a feeling."

So, I think it's best for me to leave it there, encourage everyone to ask for themselves... and THEN... once folks [believe they] know the truth as to this... we can discuss further (if anyone [still] wants to).

I wish I had more to offer but I do hope what I have helps, truly.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ, always,

Shel

Peace to you ALL this evening,

Dear At I was able to listen to most of it. I do agree with Armando ( peace to you my brother).
Although there are many things that are accurate, he is missing one of the main ingredients in His testimony.
He promotes the Bible as " The Word of God" verses Jaheshua being The Word as spoken of in John chapter one and Revelation 19:13. He refers to Hebrew 4:12 as the Bible that is alive and speaks. This is a lie because it is Jaheshua who is ALIVE and SPEAKS.

He constantly refers everyone to read, read, read the Bible and you will know...truth.....
But WHO does Jah our Father say to listen to and obey?

We are to look to, obey and listen to only One. CHRIST himself. " This is my Son the beloved, Listen to Him."

We are not to rely or trust in anything written. So much has been twisted and mistranslated to fit what man wants to see and believe in. He even mentioned in John that the time would come when Christs TRUE followers would worship not in temples but would worship in spirit and in truth.
Then a few minutes later talks about going to church and churches. And the Bible studies he's involved in.

Why study a book given to us by man now when Jah has given us His Son to go to personally to learn from?
He quoted John 10 about His sheep hearing His voice and yet promotes everyone to turn to what is written.
And yet there a danger in relying on books and what is written.

Ecclesiates 12:12,13 and
John 5:39,40

"You keep searching the scriptures ( even studying) because you think by means of them you will get life, yet these are the very ones that bear winess about Me ( Jaheshua) and you refuse to come to me in order to get life."

I believe this man is being called by our Lord but he is not obeying the call " To get out of her my people...Babylon the Great ...in order not to share in her sins and receive Her plagues."

One cannot be truly taken in by our Lord and belong to Him as part of His body and still " be touching what is unclean". Religion! That is spiritual harlotry.

Remember "Quit touching that which is unclean AND I will TAKE YOU IN."

He is still part of what is unclean.

Just a couple things I noticed dear At. Thank you though for sharing this.

May HE and any others that wish to be given ears to hear the spirit of Truth which is our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah say, Come, take lifeswater FREE!

Love and peace to you all this evening, your sister and fellow servant of CHRIST, Kim

Thanks Shelby and Kim for your responses, and peace to you both.

Of course I have asked about this; but I have hardly ever heard an answer to any of my questions directly from the Lord. So a lot of things I think I know are just from my spirit bearing witness to or against something I read or hear from others. That’s what has me confused with Nathan; my spirit has done both with his videos.

Also as Paul had pointed out on another thread (I think) when he is telling his stories, it is from where he ‘was’ (spiritually) at the time those things occurred and not necessarily what he thinks now. So sometimes I do not know how he stands on a matter now and am not quite sure what he is saying. I don’t really think I will exactly know his stand on some things that struck a gong with me until he wraps up the final videos.

I plan to have a conversation with him at that time; he will not really go into an explanation now, because it might be something he will cover in later videos. Kim, I do not think he attends churches or believes in organized religions now. Did the Lord really tell him to go to a church? I don’t know.

I know, as an ex witness, at least several of us had prayed to know Truth, no matter what it was, just a day or two before witnesses knocked on our door. I’ve often wondered why God allowed that, unless it was somehow a stepping stone that some hard heads have to go through before they are ‘ready’ to walk with just the Lord.

As for the bible not being the Word of God, of course you are right; but how many, even of the anointed body members of Christ, knew that even at the time they felt anointed? Besides you two girls and perhaps some others you know of personally, who learned that directly from Jaheshua? Did they not have to read or hear about it through other means to even consider that possibility? And then, of course, they recognized the truth of it.

Now it could be different for him, since he knows he heard the voice and that he can communicate with the Lord. He probably should know by now that our Lord is the Truth and not the bible. But even here, we are told to read the bible for corroboration, etc. for the ones who can’t hear well. Although, I admit, the times I’ve tried it, I really do not get much from it either most of the time.

One of the things I liked about the videos was that he did not realize what was going on with the Lord at the time those things happened, and only realized it looking back, much like what I’ve been doing. Now here is a big thing with me – if I find out he believes people will be tortured alive forever, then I will KNOW that is a lie. Because I remember the day the Lord taught me the truth of that, only then, I thought it was me just reasoning it out, and it was, except that the Lord recalled two words to my mind that made that possible.

I always read about JW’s who grew up scared to death and traumatized by Armageddon, and I am not invalidating that in any way – I know it was bad. But what do you think about all of us who grew up with burning in fire forever and ever for a few years sin? I cannot tell you how much I was terrorized by that as a child and on into my twenties until the Lord let me understand that day, out raking leaves, in deep agony over it, the truth of it once and for all time. I NEVER worried about that again, ever. I KNEW I would just be dead.

So I think I know the answer, but am not sure yet.

In regards to the bible not being the word of God.
We know and pretty much every Christian will agree, that Christ is the LIVING Word of God.
When people say the bible is the word of God they don't mean that it superceeds Christ but that it is the written account of the living Word of God or simply the written word of God.
Like the "letter of the law" or the "word of the Law".

The reality is that it is very hard to remove the bible from the picture.
The bible is needed by the vast majority.
It was used by Christ and is apostles.
It serves it's purpose ( to point the way to Christ).
The issue isn't people putting faith in the bible, it is people putting faith in THEIR view of the bible.
Of course the argument can be made for those putting their faith in THEIR view of Christ...

Good morning dear At and peace to you as well,

I may be mistaken but I thought based on the comment around 46:00 and somewhere else ( can't find it now) that he did attend or was affiliated with a church.


Anyhoo, thanks for your comments. Enjoy your day!
Love, your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim

PS, Peace to you.

First of all, PS, the Bible as it exists today did not exist at the time that Christ and the Apostles lived on earth. Forgive me for being pedantic. At the time Christ and the Apostles existed, only the Hebrew scriptures existed. And . . . while Christ and the Apostles “quoted” from the Hebrew scriptures, nowhere is it stated that they carried around in their possession any of those scriptural writings. They seem to have quoted them just from their previous studying of the scriptures. As for what we call the NT, those writings didn’t come into existence for quite some time after Christ died and was resurrected.

“‘Scripture’ points to Christ.” What is scripture as defined by Christ himself? Read the last chapter of Luke. Scripture = writings of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms. That’s how Christ defined “scripture.” That leaves OUT a lot of what we call the OT.

The only reason that “the Bible is needed by the vast majority” is because the majority lack faith—at least for a time or maybe even a long time. And, yes, “the reality is that it is very hard to remove the Bible from the picture.”

The Apostles and early Christians did not have a Bible as we know it today nor did they have the writings of the NT—and, yet, they were still Christians, were they not?

--Armand

Good morning my brother PaulS and peace to you. Great to see/ hear from you...


I agree that it IS very hard to remove the Bible from the picture with most. And it may be needed because they cannot " hear" from our Lord directly who IS that Word.
It becomes a huge risk then because they have to put their faith in some one else to interpret it for them. Etc... Just as we did our whole lives with the WTBS. And this is why there are so many religions and belief systems.

You mentioned that when people say the Bible is the word of God they don't mean that it superseeds CHRIST but that it is the written account of CHRIST or written word of God.

But most today DO allow it to supersede what CHRIST said and lived. They follow and judge and condemn and teach things that our Lord NEVER did or said. They supersede Him when they use Governing Body members and Popes, Pastors and all the others to mediate what THEY THINK he meant and that they must answer to them as a leader for them spiritually.

If we truly belong to Christ, isn't that Law supposed to be on our hearts and not written on stone?
Listening to and obeying the one that Jah says to listen to today because he is alive and speaks?
And especially as in this mans story. He professes " to hear directly".

Hebrews 1 tells us he speaks to us by means of His Son not the Bible. All one needs is Faith that they believe that this One speaks.

Peace and Love to you all and to your households, your sister and fellow servant of Jaheshua, Kim

Peace to you all, and I am sorry, but I still have not seen the episode (still no speakers).

But to this (in addition to what also has been shared on the matter above):



Yes, my brother, but does everyone who states this understand this... or is it really just lip service? I know that you know Christ is the Living Word of God, but I think you may be giving credit to others that may not be warranted.

For example, anyone who takes any verse (OT or NT) and listens to that OVER Christ (even just over what He is written to have said), has allowed the bible to supersede Him. When people listen to Paul's words OVER Christ then they are allowing the bible to supersede Christ. They aren't even listening to Paul, who himself said that no one should be following or saying that they belong to him. They are listening to the bible, and they are placing that above Christ. Many people place their religion and 'its' word over Christ as well - and that religion is many times the ones who taught them their views on the bible to begin with.

So do they truly think that Christ is the Word of God (living or otherwise), or are they just paying lip service to these words? But not actually following through on what they mean?



Peace to you again, and to you all,
your servant and sister and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

While that is all fine and dandy, it does not take into account that very simple fact of WHY the NT was written, which was to give witness to the Gospel.
The first, and even second generation, Christians still had a direct link to Christ either via personal experience of via the experience of the Apostles.
When they started to die out and reach the age where they could not travel is when the written word began to be used ( the written word was always "second best" to direct verbal transmission in those days, unlike now).
It doesn't matter what the bible was in the time of Christ ( it was the Septuagint of course) compared to what we have now, it matters that the first generations felt it important to preserve the written word of the apostles as a historical connection to Christ ( which is what the bible is).
The bible is needed as a neutral ground, a place where we can go to help clear things up in regards to what Christ said and, perhaps just as important, HOW what Christ said was perceived by those that head Him.
Historically speaking of course.

If you can't see how the bible points to Christ, well, I am sorry about that BUT I for one find Him there, as I do in my heart, as I do in the world around me.
For Christ is revealed in the written word, He is revealed in the hearts of His followers and He is revealed in the universe that was created by Him, For Him and Through Him.
Not once in the conversations I have ever had with Our Lord has He ever said to me to NOT read the bible, on the contrary, He has helped me use it to help others to Him.

While the bible can never take the place of Our Lord, it is and always has been a great tool to help others find Him.

Most people can't begin to fathom the whole "speak directly to God" thing, it is just to over whelming for them and I suspect it was the same way with my 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation Christians after the apostles passed away.
The bible is set up for those people so they CAN find a way to get close to Christ until they do have a personal relationship with Him.
Yes, it is sad that some never do BUT I find comfort in the fact that Our Lord doesn't view them any less then those that do hear Him directly.
The bible can be a source of great comfort and solace for those that have yet to find Christ DIRECTLY and hear His voice.

It is very arrogant and prideful to look down upon those that still need it.

Most people can't begin to fathom the whole "speak directly to God" thing, it is just to over whelming for them and I suspect it was the same way with my 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation Christians after the apostles passed away.


Good morning Paul and peace to you my brother,

Yes, it is overwhelming only because of a lack of faith. Our Lord said HIS sheep WOULD...NOT MIGHT hear His voice. If they cannot or choose not to hear His voice then maybe this might identify the kind of sheep they are.

Or maybe it IS that they DO HEAR His voice but choose NOT to obey it. Based on how stubborn we as a people and nation are, this might be more the case.


The bible is set up for those people so they CAN find a way to get close to Christ until they do have a personal relationship with Him.


And as you said, sadly most stop there. It is much easier to rely on a written law with someone to tell them what to do verses a law on our heart and listening directly to The Word which is CHRIST.
Then it is not personal is it?

I am reminded by our Lord as to this thought you mentioned....( The bible is set up for those so they can find a way to get close to CHRIST)...

We are warned of the false Christs, false prophets, and false scribes that would TWIST the scriptures, add too and take away from them. Those that it would be their sole mission to mislead if possible chosen ones and lead them astray.

So for these ones, the bible was set up so that it could mislead any one they could FROM finding CHRIST.

Which is why it is so imperative to pray for the fruit ages of the Spirit and the Faith to be able to Hear directly from our Lord verses the risk of being misled.

Thank you for sharing as always, love and peace to you and your entire household, your fellow servant of Christ, Kim