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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:34 pm 
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Ahhh, dear Johnz... peace to you and consider: while my dear Lord did not DENYING who he was... when ASKED... he didn't just walk up to the Pharisees, Saducees, priests, and scribes, and say, "Hey, I'm the Christ and I know you're gonna not listen to me because I've said that, BUT... I'd like to ask ya'll some questions."

Nor did he direct me to do similar, dear one. I am not afraid of them or their know who I am. I tell them my true name... as I have shared with you dear ones here. If someone isn't compelled to ask I feel no obligation to tell them.

And let's be clear: I am not misleading anyone. I am not LYING to anyone or leading ANYONE to believe lies. Which is true about the speaker... or his fellow JWs... regardless of whether they know or admit it.

When they openly reveal who THEY are (false prophets, false christs, wolves in sheep's clothing, hypocrites, etc.), without anyone having to be asked, then I will openly reveal who and what I am... without THEIR asking.

Seems fair... don't you think?

Had my dear Lord told me to tell the man I absolutely would have, dear one, as there is nothing the man can do to ME. I have neither friends nor family "in" the WTBTS so I stand to lose nothing... except perhaps the opportunity to lose the man's ear and plant a seed. I don't think losing that opportunity was worth asserting "who/what" I "am" for what... ego? Glory?

I'm a good for nothing servant, dear Johnz. In this particular instance who/what I am... was of no importance. What's important is whether a seed was actually planted. Because if so, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, COULD... if He WANTED to... make it grow. Through Christ, not through me.

And I don't think you're against ME; however, trying to direct me to do something my dear Lord himself didn't tell me to do... or not do something he did tell me... MIGHT be construed by HIM as your being against HIM. Yes?

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

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How could the blood of animals be of enough VALUE to atone for mans sins and not be of enough value for JAH to save? Resurrect ?

VERY, very interesting thought, Kim.


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How could the blood of animals be of enough VALUE to atone for mans sins and not be of enough value for JAH to save? Resurrect ?

VERY, very interesting thought, Kim.


YES dear AT,

I not only thought that as well but was overjoyed at how wonderful Jah and Jaheshua are!

JOYful!!!!!

Peace to you, your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim


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How could the blood of animals be of enough VALUE to atone for mans sins and not be of enough value for JAH to save? Resurrect ?

VERY, very interesting thought, Kim.


YES dear AT,

I not only thought that as well but was overjoyed at how wonderful Jah and Jaheshua are!

JOYful!!!!!

Peace to you, your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim



Yes, great point, Kim! That is awesome!


So God saved animals also on the ark, making a covenant with them also.
Animals were also in the Garden of Eden. Brought INTO to be named.
And then also this that you have written here.

And even though animals are not sacrificed (by us) there are animals who will shed their blood (and die) to protect their 'masters'. (essentially giving their lives) That is to protect their masters from physical harm, sure, but perhaps that is not so different for an animal to do the same to protect some men, but on a spiritual level.

Peace to you both,
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Jehovah’s House - Why are you trying to Enter?


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Peace to you, dear Johnz13.

I am sure that Shelby will respond to you. But I would like to respond as my Lord has taught me, if I may?


It is not about entering 'jehovahs' house (by which I believe you mean the god of the wts), and eating from that table, or being part of that organization. It is about LOVE for Christ - to do as He has said to do -and for those who are prisoners IN that house, who have been misled and do not know what they do. To be able to bear witness to them OF Christ and so Truth, even though their leaders try to (and for the most part succeed) shut up the Kingdom to them. By teaching them to deny Christ, to NOT partake of Him, to NOT have life in themselves, and to deny that they can be in union with Him.


So ... it is love, for Christ and for those to whom He sends us, those who whom THINK they are doing right, but who are actually walking in darkness. When I went to the memorial, it is the love of Christ that filled me - His love for those He gave His body and blood for - whom He is standing and saying to them all EAT... DRINK. His love, and His peace, and also life... that He offers to anyone who would say YES.


We do not enter that 'house' and become unclean by that 'house'. I feared this for a moment (not at the Memorial, that I know He has sent me to, and that I do out of love for Him, and also those poor people) when He sent me back to speak to some the following weekend. I feared that I might have heard Him wrong (because it was at a kingdom hall) and at one point while there, I asked Him to forgive me if I had made myself unclean by being there at that meeting. (even though it was not the meeting He had sent me to eat from... but the people who were there He had sent me to share WITH, to share HIS food given to ME)

But He said to me soon as I asked this: love covers over a multitude of sins.

So even if I had misheard or misunderstood, if I had gone out of love for Him and those who might be seeking Him or be willing to hear the truth as Christ teaches, then that love could have covered over the sin. (I keep hearing from the Spirit also when I write that... that HIS love for ME would cover over my sin)

His words stopped my worrying at once. Of course once the meeting ended, and I began to share with those He had sent me to share with the truth that He has given me, I knew that I HAD heard Him right, that all of this WAS in His hands; had always BEEN in His hands.

Dear Johnz, we know that we have freedom in Christ. We are free to love, to forgive, to show mercy to even our enemies. In truth, we are told to love, forgive, and show mercy to all, including those who would make themselves our enemies. We can (and should) pray even for our enemies (including those who are our enemies because of Christ and God - though in my limited experience this is most often because they do not know Christ, and so do not know God)

Christ loved AND asked forgiveness for those who persecuted, tortured, lied on, and put Him to death. Since we are to follow Him, we do the same, as love DOES also.

But I learned from Him this past weekend that we also have freedom to GO wherever Christ sends us, and to whomever he sends us TO... without FEAR of the darkness.



Dear Johnz, if Christ is in us and we are in Him, and HE is the light - then His light is in us no matter where we go (especially if we go where HE sends us... not to eat from that table but to bear witness to the Truth - who is Christ, and the Light - who is Christ).

We carry that light that He has given us with us wherever we go. So long as we remain in Him and He in us. The darkness cannot overcome the light... just the opposite.

If Christ is in us, and we are in Him, we are not in the darkness - no matter where we physically happen to be - because we are in Christ (the light and life), and He is in US. And wherever we are, including wherever or to whomever he sends us, we are to let our light (the light He has given US) shine:


Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.



I am NOT saying we should go to meetings or anything of the sort. (nor is it ME that God gave you to listen TO... but rather, Christ, to whom God gave you to listen.) I am only sharing what I learned from my Lord: that we do not have to be afraid to go to ANYWHERE or to ANYONE that HE sends us, or to share as He has given us to share.


Where we go, what we share, who we share with and bear witness about Christ TO... comes to this (and also love):

Listen to Christ, and follow His voice.



May you all have peace and love, as Christ gives these things,
your servant, and sister, and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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And may I state real quick before work, as the Spirit has reminded me:

We do not go there to the Memorial to join them. We do not go to become a jw, or to believe them, or to obey them, or join them... nor do we pretend such a thing. We go to obey Christ, and do as He has said to do, and if possible, as He wills, share the hope that we have found (and been given) in Christ. With those whose do not have that hope, who do not even know they CAN have that hope.


Peace again, as Christ gives peace,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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tec wrote:
And may I state real quick before work, as the Spirit has reminded me:

We do not go there to the Memorial to join them. We do not go to become a jw, or to believe them, or to obey them, or join them... nor do we pretend such a thing. We go to obey Christ, and do as He has said to do, and if possible, as He wills, share the hope that we have found (and been given) in Christ. With those whose do not have that hope, who do not even know they CAN have that hope.


Peace again, as Christ gives peace,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy



YES to this and ALL that you have shared my sister with Johnz13,

We enter not WITH them but FOR them out of Love for them because of the love our Lord has shown and proven for them.

We as His servants let our light shine because of our union with Him as The Light, and it WILL overpower the darkness so there is no need to fear anything.

Thank you for sharing as you have heard from our Lord JAHeshua,
May all praise and honor go to them!

Love and peace to you all always, your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim


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Greetings, dear Johnz... and peace to you! Both dear Tammy and 'Mom (peace to you both, dear sisters!) have responded correctly as to the reason for my "going". I understand what you may be feeling; however, I am reminded by my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH to perhaps remind you of a few things:

1. There is no "Jehovah," so there can be no REAL "house" of Jehovah. There CAN be a temple to a false God, and perhaps that is what you are referring to. For spirits, however, temples are made of PEOPLE... and I have not "entered" into the human "temple" of "Jehovah." To the contrary, they asked me to leave (praise JAH!) and, having come to the Light, I eventually DID separate myself and quit touching that unclean "thing," the people that constitute the "temple" of the false god, "Jehovah" (praise JAH... AND glory to both Him and His Son!).

2. If you mean a KH, though, then as with what most today call a "church" (or temple), that is a more a "synagogue" than a temple. True, JWs consider what they do there to be "worship," which would make it a kind of "hand-made" temple, but since this was a PUBLIC event... in a PUBLIC place (community center)... then none of those terms... KH... church... temple... are truly accurate. Synagogue, however, is accurate as that word really means "public meeting place."

3. Be all of that as it may, I am sure you recall the event where my dear Lord drove the money changers from the hand-made temple at Jerusalem. At that time, HE entered a public place where others worshipped, yet, was a place where the priests, religious "lawyers" (Pharisees and Sadducees), and writers of the Law (scribes) had become corrupt, hypocrites, and, along with tax collectors and money changers, were thieves, plunderers, and fleecers of the "sheep." John 10:6 Right there IN God's [handmade] "house." HE didn't just stand outside and ignore... or bemoan... what they were doing to the PEOPLE who went inside. HE went INSIDE. Where the people WERE. AND said the following TO some of them... right INSIDE:

“It is written, ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a cave of robbers.” Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46

Then HE LITERALLY drove [some of them] OUT. Did he have authority from the High Priest to do so? No. Did HE care that the priests themselves didn't want him there? No. Did HE care that it was a place of worship for the Jews? No. He CARED... about the PEOPLE who these priests, religious lawyers, scribes, tax collectors, and money changers... didn't TRULY give a HOOT about. Rather:

".. blind and lame people came to him in the temple, and he cured them.

The people came to HIM... IN the temple... and HE did the FATHER's work... right there IN the temple. EVEN though:

"When the chief priests and the scribes saw the marvelous things he did and the boys who were shouting in the temple, “Save, we pray, the Son of David!”they became indignant."

THEY didn't care that the blind were given sight... or the lame healed. THEY cared that he was stealing attention away from THEM, and so they "became indignant." Why? Because the people... WERE THEIR MONEY SOURCE. And so, now here comes some guy whose doing BETTER things than they... healing, curing... FORGIVING... them... and not charging a DIME. No, he had to GO.

And it is no different for me, dear, dear Johnz. I don't care if they don't want me there. I am not going for them. I am going... because I am sent by my FATHER, through my dear LORD... to do HIS work... which is to "bear witness to the TRUTH, which Truth is my dear Lord... and what HE says. Proverbs 8:4-9; John 14:6 And to bear such witness to whomever I am told to SPEAK to... "whether they hear or refrain." To let MY light... SHINE... so that PERHAPS [someone OF] the "blind" MIGHT... SEE it. And receive SIGHT (even HEARING)... themselves, as a RESULT. Not from me, of course, but from the One who gave ME "eyesalve" and opened MY "ears". Who could give such to them, as well! Perhaps in "seeing" ME, they can have HOPE ("If SHE'S been given eyes, maybe I can, TOO!")

Now, I COULD have said similar to Peter (i.e., "No, my Lord, I will NOT go, because I will NOT eat anything unclean or from the table to demons." Or perhaps the man JaH'Nah (Jonah). I, however, have learned my dear Lord far, far better than that. Indeed, both accounts teach ME that in the eyes of JAH and Christ... MERCY... is BETTER... than sacrifice. If I DON'T go... who WILL? What if Peter had held his stance? Who would have gone to Cornelius? Or JaH'Nah? You might say, "Another might have gone, so you didn't really have to," and that could be true. But what "reward" would that have resulted in for Peter? And we know that JaH'Nah went regardless... albeit in a manner and to an end that did NOT put HIM in a good light!

I don't have to have my Lord tell me to stop calling unclean what he has called clean, dear one. I don't need sheet to come down out of heaven... or to spend 3 days in the belly of a large fish. I don't KNOW who might be calling out to him or MIGHT be praying to and asking of the Father. Acts 10:3, 4

I DO know that to OBEY... is ALSO better... than sacrifice. And so if I am told to go... I GO. Acts 8:26-30; 10:19, 20

Out of LOVE (for those who may NEED help, be ASKING, WISHING, THIRSTING), as WELL as out of OBEDIENCE to my dear Lord, Whom I ALSO love. And so, as dear Tammy shared, love COVERS... a multitude of transgressions. If I've transgressed by trying to help SOMEONE see the TRUTH... about the "Trooth" and about Christ, then I have nothing to fear in this matter. Because perfect LOVE... casts ALL fear... OUTSIDE.

I COULD use THEIR uncleanness as an excuse NOT to go "in" and show THEM love, yes, dear one. Christ, however, did not do that with the Jews. He let HIS cleanness "neutralize" their uncleanness. I, then, "put on" Christ... and let HIS cleanness "cover" me.

I hope that helps, truly. You to understand... and to lose YOUR fear [of being sullied again] should YOU ever be told to go back and try to save, well, maybe just one.

Your servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and all those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

Shel


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The Unwelcomed Ones - How will you rid Your houses of such Ones? The Ones who refuse to leave. The Ones you have not invited.


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Greetings, dear Johnz, and peace to you!

I forgot to include that that temple... the system of worship IN it... and its corrupt, hypocritical, thieving leaders... had already been REJECTED by God WHEN Christ entered into it. When PAUL entered it some years after the DEATH of my Lord.

And we can know this, that the entire system had been rejected (due to the unclean things going on IN it) NOT because of its destruction some 60+ years later. We can KNOW as of the moment Christ came up from Jordan... and JAH's holy spirit came upon HIM. Because from THAT moment HE became the temple of God. John 2:19-21

Which leads me to respond to your quote thus:

(1) God does not dwell in handmade temples; He dwells in... and thus His "HOUSE"... is PEOPLE. THIS was evidenced by the outpouring... and manifestation... OF His holy spirit having gone INTO the people present in the upper room at Pentecost. THEY became the temple of God... as is those who receive that spirit TODAY. Such ones CANNOT, however, be found as PART of a religion at the time, but MUST follow the LAMB... when he calls them OUT.

Acts 2:1-4
1 Corinthians 3:16
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
Matthew 4:19; 8:29; 9:9; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21
John 10:1-10, 14-16, 27
John 7:37-39


And they follow HIM... WHEREVER he goes... EVEN back into an unclean place, IF it's to help others come OUT, such place BECOMING clean... by means of HIS presence IN IT. Just as it is with the World of the Dead.

Yet (2), He ALSO doesn't dwell in UNCLEAN people. The temple at Jerusalem... and its system of worship... had become unclean. Hence, the people who worshipped IN it and by MEANS of the system fomented in it... were ALSO unclean. DUE to it, "touching" it. Yet, that did not stop Christ from going IN it... OR to its "festivals." AND.... he didn't always go... or enter the temple.... OPENLY:

"After this, [Jesus] went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, [Jesus’] brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

Therefore [Jesus] told them, “My time is not yet here; for you any time will do. The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil. You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.

However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. Now at the festival the Jewish leaders were watching for [Jesus] and asking, “Where is he?”

Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him. Some said, “He is a good man.”

Others replied, “No, he deceives the people.” But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the leaders.

Not until halfway through the festival did [Jesus] go up to the temple courts and begin to teach
. John 7:1-14


I can understand, dear one, that perhaps you have SUCH an aversion to the WTBTS system of worship that YOU would not venture (back) in, even to save those still enslaved in her. Perhaps not even for one. Perhaps... not even in obedience to Christ, who sends you there. Or perhaps you feel that doing so is "ill-mannered" and offensive, given that it's "their event" and we certainly aren't wanted there (although, their words indicate otherwise, do they not, when they say it is OPEN to and so the invitation is to ANYONE? I mean, they leave invitations at MY door, too. Is it MY job to tell them who lives in my house... or theirs, to keep track, if they are truly SO concerned? Perhaps you feel that we who are DF'd... and particularly for disagreeing with them (I won't give anyone the pleasure of my using the term "apostasy" as a reason in MY case, as that was NOT the case, at least, not per what the men who expelled ME said)... should put scarlet letters on our doorposts, "warning" JWs of our presence? Sorry, but that color doesn't go with the paint scheme of my house. I digress.).

I think, though, that perhaps you should try to understand, a bit more, what love DOES, as well as what it does not do. Among other things, love... "does not look out for its OWN interests." Hence, it does not worry about its OWN flesh, but that of others. Hence, Christ would NOT have given HIS flesh... in the INTERESTS of others.

Finally, I have to say: Jehovah's Witnesses, of ALL people, shouldn't take offense when some THEY don't like... or want in their presence... enter into their festivals. Because they, of ALL people, consistently enter where people do not want THEM. Always have. I don't particularly like them in MY public places... yet, there they are. And they can be... because the place is PUBLIC. As are their festivals and Sunday talks, dear one. PUBLIC events. Which they ADVERTISE as such, do they not?

And they must advertise them as such, public, AND make them open TO the public... including your's truly... else LOSE THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS.

Which is one reason why they changed the Book Study arrangement from PRIVATE homes... to the KHs. True, pedophilia activity and zoning laws played a big part (the latter being the "official" excuse). But I PROMISE you, one cannot enjoy tax exempt status while holding PRIVATE meetings, at least not a religion. And they are a religion, for all intents and purposes and ESPECIALLY tax evasion purposes... and those Book Studies WERE private.

I hope this helps. I realize it's a lot, but perhaps there is something in it that will help you move past your... ummmmm... own issues with this matter. Yes, I know that you [think you] are not against me/us, but again, what you are doing amounts to trying to get us... me, at least... to not listen to Christ... out of some (perceived) fear of... what... becoming unclean or offending some folks who might not want my/presence, certainly if they knew who I was (in relation to them).

Surely, you must know... by NOW... that that isn't going to happen. I am going to listen to HIM, obey HIM, and follow HIM... EVEN if it leads me into a den of thieves, scorpions, and vipers.

As always, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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Before I leave this discussion with you, though, dear Johnz (and peace to you!), I am directed by my dear Lord to ask YOU a question:

Have YOU revealed yourself to all HERE? If not, WHY not? Do "we" know who YOU are? I can assure you, we most probably wouldn't care but only welcome you... unless you stated/revealed that your purpose was NOT to share truth, but to personally and specifically attack certain individuals. Or to disrupt the board (note, what the one man in dear OUTLAW's video did - peace to you, dear She'f - is not what my Lord sends ME to do. Rather, as he said and taught us, we are to be cautious as serpents, innocent as doves. And imitate him.

And HE... was discreet. While he did openly stand up in the synagogue and read from Isaiah the fulfillment of prophecy, he did so calmly, mildly, and briefly, NOT to provoke but only to share truth. And, in line with what men DID in the synagogues: read PUBLICLY from scripture. Once done, however, he simply... and quietly... returned to his seat. It was the Jews who always stirred the crowds to frenzy out of THEIR deceit and wickedness.

And so, I am directed to share with YOU, that unless you want to openly reveal who YOU are HERE... as many of us have... you should take caution that you are not participating... and speaking... HERE and perhaps elsewhere where YOU may not be "welcome" or desired... in hypocrisy yourself.

Not judging you or trying to offend you. Just sharing what my dear Lord directed me to share. Perhaps he knows of a rafter that the rest of us do not.

As always, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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And they follow HIM... WHEREVER he goes... EVEN back into an unclean place, IF it's to help others come OUT, such place BECOMING clean... by means of HIS presence IN IT. Just as it is with the World of the Dead.


Greetings to you all...

And YES as to the light and life that enters the world of the dead when JAHeshua is among them!

My spriit is in full agreement with Shelby as to WHY we continually go and " enter in among them" regardless of what they might think.

It is first out of love and also out of obedience to what our Lord tells us in Ezekiel 3:1-11
Primarily verse 4...

" Son of man, go, ENTER in among the house of Israel, and you must speak with my words to them"...
.....whether they listen or refrain.....

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of Love for those people who knew us for most of our lives and many are our families....why wouldn't we want to go for them?


On a side thought as I came here this morning to share something else I have heard as to the question of animals being saved/ resurrected....

Not only was the firstborn of man saved by the blood on the doorpost but it also applied to the firstborn of animals preserved/saved during the tenth plague on Egypt.


Enjoy your day, peace to you all, your sister and fellow slave of our Lord JAHeshua MischaJah, Kim


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Indeed, dear 'Mom (peace, luv! )... as to even ANIMALS being saved... AND as to whom we MIGHT have to enter in among, although not invited... or desired... or heard by. Such was the lot of our dear Lord... AND the Prophets. For example:

"He then said to me: “Son of man, go now to the people of Israel and speak my words to them. You are not being sent to a people of obscure speech and strange language, but to the people of Israel— not to many peoples of obscure speech and strange language, whose words you cannot understand. Surely if I had sent you to them, they would have listened to you. But the people of Israel are not willing to listen to you because they are not willing to listen to me, for all the Israelites are hardened and obstinate. But I will make you as unyielding and hardened as they are. I will make your forehead like the hardest stone, harder than flint. Do not be afraid of them or terrified by them, though they are a rebellious people.”

10 And he said to me, “Son of man, listen carefully and take to heart all the words I speak to you. Go now to your people in exile and speak to them. Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says,’ whether they listen or fail to listen.”


So, thank you, truly, for what you shared here. Hopefully, it will help dear Johnz (peace to you!) understand that sometimes the "assignment" literally is to go where one is not welcome, wanted... or invited.

Peace to you both!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

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Yes, Justmom. And that is a great passage as to going where we are sent and speaking what He tells us to speak. Regardless of what anyone DOES with what He gives us to speak.


Peace to you all,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
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