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The Household of God, Israel, and all those who go with... may you all have peace!

My heart is breaking. The Great Harlot, Babylon the Great, has given birth yet again. It is heartbreaking for me... because it is at the hand of someone once close and dear to me. Ah, well, what can you do? For some time now I felt that perhaps I should dispute some of the false teachings being published by this new "woman" (and I don't mean that literally, although a woman is involved). And I did try. I was contacted a few times and the last time tried to share where there was error. Of course, that didn't go over well, particularly considering the number "she" now boasts are being "members." So, I put "her" away in my mind... and heart... and left her to my Lord. Sadly, "she" has come up, again. This time, I found her "waters" to be almost overwhelming - such a great "river"! But then my Lord directed me to another "city where she "dwells" and had me comment there.

Sadly, although there is an open invitation, my past experience tells me that what I shared won't be posted publicly there. And so, I am directed by my Lord to post it HERE... so that any who MIGHT benefit can see the interchange, if they wish to. Following is that interchange and I will post others as I am directed to do so.

Please note, it is NOT my desire, intention... or leadings or intention of my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... to "pick on" anyone or be contentious. This is about truth... and setting matters straight were lies are being told... PARTICULARLY to those who are seeking him. I realize that not all will see it that way... but I will have to leave that between them and him. Because he did say that he came... to put a sword. Even so, I do hope this doesn't start a "war." More, though, I hope no more are misled (to follow HUMANS)... but find the courage... and FAITH... to follow HIM, and him alone.

Below, then, is a link to the commentary I was directed to respond to, and the comments I submitted.

OH... and during this post I received something that I will share with you in a separate thread.

Again, peace to you all!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and to ALL those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

SA


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1. Did we get it wrong? Is our observation incorrect? If so, what part?

You did, and they are, and so I have to disagree, unfortunately. There is MUCH that is in error, but I’m only going to share the following unless you let me… or Christ, if you have faith to ask HIM… know you wish to know the rest:

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Nearly 2,000 years ago, a man appeared on earth who came to be known as Jesus of Nazareth. There had been many teachers and wise men on the earth ever since mankind made its appearance on the planet. Many different religions, creeds, and ideologies sprang up giving birth to their own prophets, instructors and ‘saviors.’ But this one man Jesus of Nazareth was uniquely different.

Jesus was identified by his followers not merely as a prophet or a teacher, but as ‘the word of God’ (John 1:1) the begotten Son of God (1 John 4:9), ‘the firstborn of all creation’ (Colossians 1:15), he whose life force had been transferred into the body of a woman on earth and who existed and experienced life as a son of mankind. (John 1:14) Jesus is said to be the one whom God used to create everything and everyone in our universe, no matter what race, nationality, religion, creed or ideology. (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16) And during his ministry, Jesus identified himself as “the way, the truth and the life” – the only means of personality survival after the death of the mortal body. (John 14:6) No other teacher, prophet or wise man has ever made such claims. Thus, every religion, every creed, every ideology is beholding to Jesus whether they know it, admit it, recognize it or not. That is why Jesus is called “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)



This is not TRUE. First, the HOLY One of Israel… Whom you appropriately call “Christ,” is the only means for ETERNAL life after death of the mortal body… but the personalities of the dead CAN be “raised” without him. That is why DOING so was forbidden (Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:11): because those who do it WITHOUT him, who go AROUND and/or CIRCUMVENT him… are doing so by means of another “authority.” And they CAN go around him into the world of the dead, JUST as they can do so into the heavens (John 10:1; 22:12, 13). The MOST HOLY One of Israel… whom you may know as “God” or “Jehovah”… would not make a law AGAINST doing something that CANNOT be done. He isn’t an idiot (I mean no disrespect but to assume He would assumes Him stupid – He is anything but).

That [other] authority is “the last enemy”… Death” himself. You may know that one as “Abbadon/Apollyon,” or “Destruction/the Destroyer.” HE is the king over the world of the dead. (Revelation 9:1, 5). And it is HE that one “obeys”… and God one is DISOBEYING… when engaging in this activity. If no one could DO it, though, raise the personality OF the dead… WITHOUT God/Christ... there would have been no reason for God to prohibit Israel from DOING it. He, however, wants it to be done by HIS SON, ALONE… because only THAT One has the RIGHT to do it. He earned that right, was deemed worthy… and so was GIVEN it when he was given the KEYS to the WORLD of Death BY the Father (Revelation 1:18)… who has the right, and has ALWAYS had it, even OVER Death himself (Genesis 3:5, 22).

God… is “GOOD” – Death… is “BAD”… and that is what Adham was promised by the Adversary: to know GOOD (i.e., God… or LIFE) which he DID know… but ALSO BAD (i.e., Abaddon… or DEATH)… and yet LIVE. That was a LIE, because once he came to know Death… he began to die. Because that is the WAGE Death calls for TO know him: our lfe.

And so, previously, anyone doing it… calling up the spirit/personality of one from the dead… WITHOUT the permission/approval of the Father was sinning against the Father by usurping HIS power (1 Samuel 28:7-19).

NOW, since that Son now has ALL authority, in heaven AND on earth, and the world of Death is IN the earth and so over Death and that one’s realm… any who DO undertake to call up the spirit/personality of a dead one would be usurping the SON’s authority. Even so, they can do it. There are GRAVE consequences FOR doing it… because UNLIKE God, Death does not GIVE free… but charges a VERY HIGH price for access into and out of HIS realm.

Second, if he is the only means of personality survival after death of the flesh, then the account of the Rich Man and Lazarus… is moot. Because BOTH still had personalities, although BOTH had died. The TRUTH is that just like the body experiences a period of “shutting down” upon the death, the spirit also has a delay before it REACHES either the world of the dead (for those who don’t belong to Christ or who died before he poured out holy spirit at Pentecost 30 CE)… or “under the altar” (where the spirit… or life force… of those who belonged to Christ go).

Christ did not give parables that had no practical value. ALL had/have fulfillment, either literally or symbolically. In the case of the Rich Man and Lazarus, these were symbolic to show that had the man listened to Moses he would not have ended up where he did, but with Lazarus, in Abraham’s bosom. Yet, the man LEARNED of his ERROR… BEFORE his spirit succumbed to SLEEP.

Which is what human spirits do at death: sleep. Until they are woken up, either by a resurrection to LIFE… or a resurrection to JUDGMENT. Even Adham/Eve… even Judas. Because there will be a resurrection of the righteous… AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS. The first to life; that latter to judgment (which leads to condemnation and destruction OF that “sinning” spirit).

I will leave off here as to this question, but there is more and I would be more than happy to continue as to the rest if you wish.


2. Do you see Jesus the way we describe him? If not, how do you see him?

Yes… and no. You see him as the man; I cannot see, though, where you see… or describe the SPIRIT that he is, which is what he was before he BECAME a man… and what he is AGAIN, now. In that light (no pun intended), you are only seeing PART of him. Seeing him PARTIALLY. Because of this, you make several inaccurate statements. For example, you state:

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Not only was Jesus different, but his message was different. At that time, the Jews were in a terrible bondage to ritualism and legalism that invaded every domain of personal and social life. Although having been born and raised as a Jew, Jesus taught that the entire Jewish religious system had completed its purpose and, with his arrival, had come to an end. (Matthew 5:17) The experiment of group salvation instituted by Moses had become perverted and failed to reach its goals. (Hebrews 10:14) In its place, Jesus introduced individual salvation – a revolutionary way of thinking, believing, and behaving that would apply not only to his own people, the Jews, but to all of mankind to the ends of the earth. (Matthew 28:19)


This is inaccurate. The Jewish system actually came to an end when God allowed the Jews to be exiled into Babylon… the temple to be destroyed (the first time)… and the Ark of the Covenant to be captured and lost. Since the Ark represented His presence WITH Israel, it’s capture, then loss, indicated His REMOVAL of His presence. So, He was no longer with that system. When Christ arrived, God put His spirit IN that One… making HIM (Christ) the approved “temple” – Christ is the Holy… and God, the MOST Holy… was IN HIM. When he came on the scene and read from Isaiah, he was saying, in essence, “The PROBLEM is that you have been WITHOUT God – that’s how you GOT to this POINT (of ritualism/legalism). Being WITHOUT God… so that you do not KNOW God… is how you GOT here. NOW… look to ME… and through ME you will KNOW God… the TRUTH about God, which is what I came to bear witness ABOUT… and I will set you FREE. NOT just from that ritualism/legalism… but ALSO from the BODY, the vessel of FLESH… that ALSO binds and enslaves you.” (John 8:32, 36; John 14:6) Because what is the POINT in being set free from rituals/legalism, etc., if you are STILL enslaved to a vessel… a BODY… that YOU can’t control but controls YOU? And our bodies do… by means of needing to eat, sleep, getting sick, aging… and dying.

He is MORE than just a prophet and counselor who gave us wise words to live by. He is a SPIRIT… that grants life NOT to just our flesh… but to OUR spirit. And so, again, I see him as you do… and much, much more. Indeed, I have SEEN him… plainly… face to face. And it is NOT what humans expect, not at ALL.

There is much more here, as well, but for the sake of space, I will refrain, again, unless you WISH me to share further.

3. Do you believe 21st century Christianity is practicing the religion Jesus practiced?

First, Christ didn’t practice ANY religion. To the contrary, he condemned the ONLY religion even sanctioned by God: the Aaronic priesthood. That is the ONLY religion the MOST Holy One of Israel EVER sanctioned. It was HE who instituted it. And Christ did not practice that religion, but condemned it. He kept the LAW, yes; however, he did not keep it as a RELIGION… nor did he keep it as formulated through Moses; rather, he SURPASSED it. For example, under Moses, a woman with a flow of blood was considered unclean. And one who was HOLY could not touch an unclean thing, let alone an unclean woman. Or they became unclean by means of such touching. Christ, however, the TRUE Nazir… and so “CLEAN” one… was NOT rendered unclean when a woman with an unchecked flow of blood touched HIM – rather, SHE was made clean BY TOUCHING HIM. HIS cleanness SURPASSED her uncleanness. Now, unlike his RELIGIOUS counterparts, who would have taken issue with the woman for just TOUCHING them… HE… FELT PITY FOR HER. And in his pity told her that he WANTED to heal her. And so she was. Rather than being concerned about transgressing the Law… he, in his LOVE… which caused him to feel PITY and COMPASSION… SURPASSED it. In this way HE fulfilled the TRUE Law of God: love. Because love… IS THE LAW’S FULFILLMENT.

And he demonstrated this fulfilling of the Law, CONSTANTLY… by surpassing it (rather than be concerned with transgressing against it). He healed gentiles (whom he wasn’t “supposed” to have anything to do with), touched all manner of unclean persons (lepers, dead bodies, etc.), associated with sinners (versus hanging out with the (self) righteous), and more).

IF, however, by “Christianity” you mean the religions of “Christendom,” which includes Jehovah’s Witnesses… and any new religions coming out of HER… the answer is no. Not at all. Not even close. ALL of these have a FORM of “godly devotion,” but prove FALSE to its power. Why? Because they ALL… lack FAITH. Why do/how can I say that? Because if they had faith… if YOU had faith… they/you would not NEED a religion. They/you would not NEED human leaders, such as elder, priests, popes, pastors, teachings, etc. Because they/YOU would realize… mankind already HAS one… IN One: Christ. HE is the ONLY elder, priest, pope, leader, teacher given us by God. There is NO other. Unfortunately, because most walk by SIGHT… and not by FAITH… they can’t SEE him… or HEAR him.

Yet, he said HIS sheep listen to HIS voice… and to NO OTHER. John 10:3-5; 7, 9, 16, 27

HIS sheep listen to HIM… because HIS sheep HEAR him. HIS voice. And that voice is NOT in the pages of a book (the Bible), but REAL… because… HE IS ALIVE… and SPEAKS. John 5:39, 40; Hebrews 12:15

4. In your opinion, what changes, if any, are needed in the world of Christianity?

One thing and one thing ONLY: for all those who belong to the MOST HOLY One of Israel… THROUGH Christ… to GET OUT OF HER. Because THAT is the call FROM Him, the MOST Holy One… to DO. Because if they DON’T… they WILL share in HER sins. Which sins have amassed… clear up to the heavens. Because in HER is found the blood… of the Prophets AND holy ones! Revelation 18:1-4

“She” is “Babylon the Great,” the “MOTHER of the Harlots.” Who are these “harlots”? They are those women with which those who belong to God DEFILE themselves. Most notably, those of Israel. Who are these women? They are, LIKE THEIR MOTHER, those who CLAIM to be bound/married to Christ… part of his BRIDE… but continue to COMMIT FORNICATION AND ADULTERY. How so? By continually joining themselves to the “kings… OF THE EARTH.” Joining up with all manner of false prophets and such rather than staying chaste and TRUE to their “husbandly owner”, Christ.

They follow men… and the teachings of men… get in bed with them… for the GLORY given them BY men. They SAY they are brides… that they “sit a queen” (because they claim marriage to the King, Christ)… but they are HARLOTS. And rather than listen to the voice of the FINE Shepherd and follow HIM… no matter where HE goes… they listen to the voice of the Great Harlot, the LOUD “woman”… who calls them and lead them to COMMIT such adultery.

They ignore that Shepherd’s words that he would NOT leave us bereft but be WITH us… ALL the days… and so in their “need” for other human corroboration of who they are (rather than just HIS spirit!)… they form groups out of which come more religions. MORE “daughters”… harlots… are given “birth.”

When they heed the call to GET OUT OF HER, though… they come OUT… and follow HIM, and him ALONE. As HE said:

“The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

John 10:3-5


5. What do you think would be Jesus opinion of a 21st century church, congregation, temple or cathedral?


The same as he thought of the 1st century Jewish system… with ITS temple: dens of thieves, dwelling places of demons (include alcohol and pedophilia demons, among other bad spirits… haunts for every IMPURE spirit and UNCLEAN “flying thing”. And so destined to be exposed… have her excessed eaten up, then completely consumed by fire. Just as the Jewish system was back then. John wrote about it:


“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,’
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;
I will never mourn.’
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."





I will stop here, but I hope this helps. In closing, though, please let me say I did not share any of this to be contentious. I did so because (1) it is TRUTH, and (2) I was directed to do so by Christ himself. YOU asked, by means of your instituting this “experiment” and presenting your questions as if you TRULY wish to know. I was concerned that all you might do is glean from it so as to further advance your “ministry.” But my Lord said I was not to worry about that, that that was not MY concern. I was only to be concerned with what HE directed me… and that was to respond to your questions here. I will review your other experiments, as well, and… if moved by my Lord to do so… comment on those, as he directs me.

I am also going to post this on another site which you are familiar with because I don’t have confidence that you will be as transparent as you claim and post this here. I could be wrong, of course. and if so apologize for doubting you (my Lord hasn’t said whether you will or won’t but left it up to me to choose). I hope I am wrong, that you are sincere (as I once knew you to be). But in case I am not, I think others should have access to this information and where you ARE in error… because you cannot claim to belong to Christ, Who IS the Truth… and yet, teach lies.

I don’t mean that as an insult or affront. I only mean it as I have learned from my Lord: that if something is not TRUE… then it IS a lie (humans like to water than down with “it’s just false, but not really a lie” – that’s not how it is with God and Christ, though: there is no “gray”. There is good… and bad. Life… and death. Light… and darkness. Truth… and the lie. This is false God CANNOT lie… and Christ’s mouth ALWAYS speaks truth… and so ANYTHING else… including false teachings… is “from the wicked one,” the “father OF the lie.” Of course, most don’t know this… and don’t THINK they’re serving that one… but anytime a falsehood is stated… and particularly as to God and Christ… is cannot be FROM God and Christ. CANNOT.

Not trying to be disrespectful or mean, truly. Just stating the truth.

Peace to you!

SA


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I will give second witness to what has been stated here. I heard the same from my Lord upon reading much from this 'daughter'... that another "daughter" has been born, and it IS heartbreaking to behold.


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More, though, I hope no more are misled (to follow HUMANS)... but find the courage... and FAITH... to follow HIM, and him alone.


This.


Christ is the One who teaches and leads us into ALL truth, as you have also shared on multiple occasions. There is no one and no thing else that is the Truth or the Word of God or the Life. Christ, Jaheshua, the Holy One of Israel and Son of the Most Holy One of Israel... HE is the TRUTH.

Listen to HIM!

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him!"



Peace and love to you,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
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1. Did we get it wrong? Is our observation incorrect? If so, what part?

You did, and they are, and so I have to disagree, unfortunately. First, the HOLY One of Israel… Whom you appropriately call “Christ,” is the only means for ETERNAL life after death of the mortal body… but the personalities of the dead CAN be “raised” without him. That is why DOING so was forbidden (Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:11): because those who do it WITHOUT him, who go AROUND and/or CIRCUMVENT him… are doing so by means of another “authority.” And they CAN go around him into the world of the dead, JUST as they can do so into the heavens (John 10:1; 22:12, 13). The MOST HOLY One of Israel… whom you may know as “God” or “Jehovah”… would not make a law AGAINST doing something that CANNOT be done. He isn’t an idiot (I mean no disrespect but to assume He would assumes Him stupid – He is anything but).

That [other] authority is “the last enemy”… Death” himself. You may know that one as “Abbadon/Apollyon,” or “Destruction/the Destroyer.” HE is the king over the world of the dead. (Revelation 9:1, 5). And it is HE that one “obeys”… and God one is DISOBEYING… when engaging in this activity. If no one could DO it, though, raise the personality OF the dead… WITHOUT God/Christ... there would have been no reason for God to prohibit Israel from DOING it. He, however, wants it to be done by HIS SON, ALONE… because only THAT One has the RIGHT to do it. He earned that right, was deemed worthy… and so was GIVEN it when he was given the KEYS to the WORLD of Death BY the Father (Revelation 1:18)… who has the right, and has ALWAYS had it, even OVER Death himself (Genesis 3:5, 22).

God… is “GOOD” – Death… is “BAD”… and that is what Adham was promised by the Adversary: to know GOOD (i.e., God… or LIFE) which he DID know… but ALSO BAD (i.e., Abaddon… or DEATH)… and yet LIVE. That was a LIE, because once he came to know Death… he began to die. Because that is the WAGE Death calls for TO know him: our lfe.

And so, previously, anyone doing it… calling up the spirit/personality of one from the dead… WITHOUT the permission/approval of the Father was sinning against the Father by usurping HIS power (1 Samuel 28:7-19).

NOW, since that Son now has ALL authority, in heaven AND on earth (Matthew 28:, and the world of Death is IN the earth and so over Death and that one’s realm… any who DO undertake to call up the spirit/personality of a dead one would be usurping the SON’s authority. Even so, they can do it. There are GRAVE consequences FOR doing it… because UNLIKE God, Death does not GIVE free… but charges a VERY HIGH price for access into and out of HIS realm.

Second, if he is the only means of personality survival after death of the flesh, then the account of the Rich Man and Lazarus… is moot. Because BOTH still had personalities, although BOTH had died. The TRUTH is that just like the body experiences a period of “shutting down” upon the death, the spirit also has a delay before it REACHES either the world of the dead (for those who don’t belong to Christ or who died before he poured out holy spirit at Pentecost 30 CE)… or “under the altar” (where the spirit… or life force… of those who belonged to Christ go).

Christ did not give parables that had no practical value. ALL had/have fulfillment, either literally or symbolically. In the case of the Rich Man and Lazarus, these were symbolic to show that had the man listened to Moses he would not have ended up where he did, but with Lazarus, in Abraham’s bosom. Yet, the man LEARNED of his ERROR… BEFORE his spirit succumbed to SLEEP.

Which is what human spirits do at death: sleep. Until they are woken up, either by a resurrection to LIFE… or a resurrection to JUDGMENT. Even Adham/Eve… even Judas. Because there will be a resurrection of the righteous… AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS. The first to life; that latter to judgment (which leads to condemnation and destruction OF that “sinning” spirit).


2. Do you see Jesus the way we describe him? If not, how do you see him?

Yes… and no. You see him as the man; I cannot see, though, where you see… or describe the SPIRIT that he is, which is what he was before he BECAME a man… and what he is AGAIN, now. In that light (no pun intended), you are only seeing PART of him. Seeing him PARTIALLY. Because of this, you make several inaccurate statements.

The Jewish system actually came to an end when God allowed the Jews to be exiled into Babylon… the temple to be destroyed (the first time)… and the Ark of the Covenant to be captured and lost. Since the Ark represented His presence WITH Israel, it’s capture, then loss, indicated His REMOVAL of His presence. So, He was no longer with that system. When Christ arrived, God put His spirit IN that One… making HIM (Christ) the approved “temple” – Christ is the Holy… and God, the MOST Holy… was IN HIM. When he came on the scene and read from Isaiah, he was saying, in essence, “The PROBLEM is that you have been WITHOUT God – that’s how you GOT to this POINT (of ritualism/legalism). Being WITHOUT God… so that you do not KNOW God… is how you GOT here. NOW… look to ME… and through ME you will KNOW God… the TRUTH about God, which is what I came to bear witness ABOUT… and I will set you FREE. NOT just from that ritualism/legalism… but ALSO from the BODY, the vessel of FLESH… that ALSO binds and enslaves you.” (John 8:32, 36; John 14:6) Because what is the POINT in being set free from rituals/legalism, etc., if you are STILL enslaved to a vessel… a BODY… that YOU can’t control but controls YOU? And our bodies do… by means of needing to eat, sleep, getting sick, aging… and dying.

He is MORE than just a prophet and counselor who gave us wise words to live by. He is a SPIRIT… that grants life NOT to just our flesh… but to OUR spirit. And so, again, I see him as you do… and much, much more. Indeed, I have SEEN him… plainly… face to face. And it is NOT what humans expect, not at ALL.


3. Do you believe 21st century Christianity is practicing the religion Jesus practiced?

Christ didn’t practice ANY religion. To the contrary, he condemned the ONLY religion even sanctioned by God: the Aaronic priesthood. That is the ONLY religion the MOST Holy One of Israel EVER sanctioned. It was HE who instituted it. And Christ did not practice that religion, but condemned it. He kept the LAW, yes; however, he did not keep it as a RELIGION… nor did he keep it as formulated through Moses; rather, he SURPASSED it. For example, under Moses, a woman with a flow of blood was considered unclean. And one who was HOLY could not touch an unclean thing, let alone an unclean woman. Or they became unclean by means of such touching. Christ, however, the TRUE Nazir… and so “CLEAN” one… was NOT rendered unclean when a woman with an unchecked flow of blood touched HIM – rather, SHE was made clean BY TOUCHING HIM. HIS cleanness SURPASSED her uncleanness. Now, unlike his RELIGIOUS counterparts, who would have taken issue with the woman for just TOUCHING them… HE… FELT PITY FOR HER. And in his pity told her that he WANTED to heal her. And so she was. Rather than being concerned about transgressing the Law… he, in his LOVE… which caused him to feel PITY and COMPASSION… SURPASSED it. In this way HE fulfilled the TRUE Law of God: love. Because love… IS THE LAW’S FULFILLMENT.

And he demonstrated this fulfilling of the Law, CONSTANTLY… by surpassing it (rather than be concerned with transgressing against it). He healed gentiles (whom he wasn’t “supposed” to have anything to do with), touched all manner of unclean persons (lepers, dead bodies, etc.), associated with sinners (versus hanging out with the (self) righteous), and more).

IF, however, by “Christianity” you mean the religions of “Christendom,” which includes Jehovah’s Witnesses… and any new religions coming out of HER… the answer is no. Not at all. Not even close. ALL of these have a FORM of “godly devotion,” but prove FALSE to its power. Why? Because they ALL… lack FAITH. Why do/how can I say that? Because if they had faith… if YOU had faith… they/you would not NEED a religion. They/you would not NEED human leaders, such as elder, priests, popes, pastors, teachings, etc. Because they/YOU would realize… mankind already HAS one… IN One: Christ. HE is the ONLY elder, priest, pope, leader, teacher given us by God. There is NO other. Unfortunately, because most walk by SIGHT… and not by FAITH… they can’t SEE him… or HEAR him.

Yet, he said HIS sheep listen to HIS voice… and to NO OTHER. John 10:3-5; 7, 9, 16, 27

HIS sheep listen to HIM… because HIS sheep HEAR him. HIS voice. And that voice is NOT in the pages of a book (the Bible), but REAL… because… HE IS ALIVE… and SPEAKS. John 5:39, 40; Hebrews 12:15

4. In your opinion, what changes, if any, are needed in the world of Christianity?

One thing and one thing ONLY: for all those who belong to the MOST HOLY One of Israel… THROUGH Christ… to GET OUT OF HER. Because THAT is the call FROM Him, the MOST Holy One… to DO. Because if they DON’T… they WILL share in HER sins. Which sins have amassed… clear up to the heavens. Because in HER is found the blood… of the Prophets AND holy ones! Revelation 18:1-4

“She” is “Babylon the Great,” the “MOTHER of the Harlots.” Who are these “harlots”? They are those women with which those who belong to God DEFILE themselves. Most notably, those of Israel. Who are these women? They are, LIKE THEIR MOTHER, those who CLAIM to be bound/married to Christ… part of his BRIDE… but continue to COMMIT FORNICATION AND ADULTERY. How so? By continually joining themselves to the “kings… OF THE EARTH.” Joining up with all manner of false prophets and such rather than staying chaste and TRUE to their “husbandly owner”, Christ.

They follow men… and the teachings of men… get in bed with them… for the GLORY given them BY men. They SAY they are brides… that they “sit a queen” (because they claim marriage to the King, Christ)… but they are HARLOTS. And rather than listen to the voice of the FINE Shepherd and follow HIM… no matter where HE goes… they listen to the voice of the Great Harlot, the LOUD “woman”… who calls them and lead them to COMMIT such adultery.

They ignore that Shepherd’s words that he would NOT leave us bereft but be WITH us… ALL the days… and so in their “need” for other human corroboration of who they are (rather than just HIS spirit!)… they form groups out of which come more religions. MORE “daughters”… harlots… are given “birth.”

When they heed the call to GET OUT OF HER, though… they come OUT… and follow HIM, and him ALONE. As HE said:

“The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

John 10:3-5


5. What do you think would be Jesus opinion of a 21st century church, congregation, temple or cathedral?

The same as he thought of the 1st century Jewish system… with ITS temple: dens of thieves, dwelling places of demons (include alcohol and pedophilia demons, among other bad spirits… haunts for every IMPURE spirit and UNCLEAN “flying thing”. And so destined to be exposed… have her excessed eaten up, then completely consumed by fire. Just as the Jewish system was back then.



For some reason, I still think it's going to be rejected as not "establishing the supremacy of [Jesus] and his original authentic teachings," which couldn't be further from the truth. But I'm game: let's see where that version goes.

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I saw this website for the first time earlier this week when seeing reference to it from another website, are they affiliated with this one? https://anointedjw.org.

The annointedjw.org has some interesting emails from readers LOL I was going to post here about it and ask if you knew about it as their beliefs "seemed" somewhat like yours. I see now from this thread how there is differences and that they are making statements that disagree with yours here.

Shelby I do agree that what they say in what you brought to their attention is incorrect. I am wondering though if calling it a lie is right, I was thinking more a misconception and not something deliberate to deceive.

Are they a religion? I don't know who these people are? I assume you know them so know if they have started a religion.


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Yes, they are affiliated with anointedjw.org. I have read most of their articles. There are errors, as some verses are misapplied. However, it is almost a refreshing change from WTBTS rhetoric as, at the very least, they do point to Christ as the way and the truth and the life. I enjoy reading the articles and emails they get, I admit, though I don't necessarily believe it all or agree with it all.

No, they are not another religion.... yet. However, reading their latest hypothetical "dramas", it sure seems like they want to push that agenda. I think they honestly believe WTBTS is God's organization gone awry and are hoping to reform it.


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Hah, now I remember how I came across those websites. I saw on the "other" exjw forum a thread about 3 members of the Bethel writing department leaving and that lead back to the jwannointed website.


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They SAY Christ is the truth, the way, the life... but they do not listen to HIM. How can that BE if they truly believe what they SAY?

That is what I find so disturbing. They SAY Christ is the truth... but they do not point to Christ or tell people to go to Christ to KNOW Truth. They again tell people to go to the bible , completely disregarding Christ being ALIVE... and SPEAKING... and even disregarding what He had to say that was written down, like this verse for one example:

"You diligently search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to COME TO ME to have life."

And this is why they are making so many errors, and teaching so many lies (in ignorance or not). They are not looking at and turning to Christ to know Truth, but take their eyes OFF Him to look elsewhere.

They say and build their faith upon THIS foundation rather than upon CHRIST:

( https://www.anointedjw.org/Being_Free.html ):

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And when we have let go of all ideas of man, we start anew with the two ideals that we know for a certainty to be true: that God is the Father of every man, which makes every man our brother.


But what of Christ's words here:


"If God were your father you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what i say. You belong to your father, the devil and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies he speaks his native language for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."



How can anyone believe with certainty something that is in conflict with what Christ said... and yet also truly believe that Christ is the Truth? This is exactly what other religions do, even those who claim to based upon Christ. "Have a form of godliness, yet denying its power". They LOOK to something other than Christ to know truth, something other than Christ to try and teach others with... and so they do not know THE Truth.


Christ even said that his brothers are those who do the will of His Father in heaven. So what of those who do not do the will of His Father in heaven?

How can anyone SAY that Christ is the Truth, and then build upon a foundation other than Him, and one that conflicts with what HE said?

There is much more, including that they want to restore the religion OF Christ (while stating that they are not another sect of Christianity) but the bottom line is that they are not listening to the one they SAY is the Truth.

They SAY it, but do not fully understand it... and so the ones listening to them do not understand it either, and will follow them in their ways. Not the way that is Christ, but the way that is yet again, man.



But God told man (those who would listen and belong to Him, and be given the right to BECOME sons of God):

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to HIM."

There is no one else to whom we must turn. There is no one else who has the words of eternal life. There is no one else who IS the Life, the Truth, the Word of God. There is no other WAY except CHRIST.

So why does man keep trying to invent other ways to God... other ways to 'heaven'... other ways to be 'saved'?



Peace to you all,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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Amen my sister Tammy..... /:)

Thanks for sharing this Truth!
Love and peace to you and your household,
Your sister and fellow slave of Christ who IS the ONLY Truth and Way...Kim

...Who sees and hears just another case of a Charles Russell who took " a little bit of this....and a little bit of that....some truth from a variety of religions out there ( Amish, Seventh-day Adventist, Congregationalist etc...)

And real soon now if not already....A golden calf will just pop on out of the fire.....as another daughter birthed as a calf...a false Christ!


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I think they honestly believe WTBTS is God's organization gone awry and are hoping to reform it.


I remember very early on when my Lord was calling me out of the harlot the WBTS and i was asking,

What about this...What about that......

He told me clearly, " I do NOT fix (reform) what does NOT belong to me! Get out of, all of her EVERYWHERE and come to ME!!!



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Peace to you!

Last week I too sent a response as my Lord gave me to send. I have waited to see if it would be posted on their site, but this does not seem to be the case. So I will post it here for anyone who might need/want to see it, members or not. Same page, same link.


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1.    Did we get it wrong?  Is our observation incorrect?  If so, what part?


Yes, but to keep things concise as your guidelines ask, I will limit it to just two or three things.

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It was a religion about Jesus, but it was not the religion Jesus practiced.

Christ did not practice a religion. He did not start a religion. Religion does not come from Christ, but from men. Indeed, anything that is a lie or contains a lie cannot come from Christ or His Father. And since it is Christ we are supposed to be listening TO: Christ said that the kind of worshippers the Father wants are those who worship in Spirit and Truth.

Christ is the Spirit.
Christ is the Truth.

Not men. Not religion. Not doctrines. Not traditions. Not interpretations of the bible. Not even the bible itself. JUST Christ. Listen to HIM!

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As the Great Liberator, Jesus restored man’s personal dignity by teaching that all men are sons of God and brothers to each other. (Matthew 23:8-9)

Then I am confused as to what you think of His words here:

"IF God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."


There are more verses that speak against your claim that all men are sons of God and brothers to each other, but the words of Christ are the ones that should matter to one who belongs to and listens to Him. Because, as YOU also say, Christ is Truth. Yes, all who are in HIM are brothers, and all who belong to and seek Him are to call no man on earth Father, because they have one Father in Heaven; and all who belong to and seek Him are NOT to be called Rabbi (Teacher), because they have ONE teacher: Christ. But not all men are IN Christ.

So I cannot agree with your observation because much of what you have observed is NOT in line with Christ and His word and what He has taught me, and it is HE who is the Truth; not man, not us, and certainly not our own observations. I also cannot agree with your hypothesis because Christ said that He chose us OUT of the world, and He said that if the world hated Him (and it DID), the world WILL hate us.

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He sets people free, He is the WAY, the Truth, and the Life... as you truthfully describe Him. But I do not see where you describe or claim to know Him as the Living Spirit, the Living Word of God, the Living Truth... who HIMSELF speaks and leads us into all truth. I see Him as that, because He IS that. He is alive, He does speak, He is the LIVING Word of God.

"MY sheep listen to my voice. I know them and they follow me."

Christ is ONLY one to whom we must turn, the ONLY one about whom the Father, Jahveh, the Most Holy One of Israel said:

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."


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3.    Do you believe 21st century Christianity is practicing the religion Jesus practiced?


He practiced no religion. So the answer must be no to this question.

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No changes IN that world of 'christianity', so to speak... except to get out of 'her'. To listen to Him and to "Come OUT of her" and instead "Come to Him". Stop touching the unclean thing... unclean because of the lies IN her; unclean because 'she' has not remained IN Christ, the Truth.


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You have only to look at his words toward the same things of the Jewish system when he was here in the flesh. Including his remarks about the temple when his disciples commented about its beauty. He said that every stone would be torn down.


More than that, He said:

"The day is coming when the true worshippers will worship not in this mountain or that mountain... but the true worshippers will worship in Spirit and in Truth."

Not on this mountain or that mountain... but in Spirit and in Truth. Christ is the Spirit. Christ is the Truth. Come to HIM. Remain in HIM. And come out of HER. Fully, completely, stop touching the unclean thing.

I have shared with you as Christ has taught me. May you be granted ears so as to hear as the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU, "Come!" Let the one who HEARS say, "Come!" And may all who are thirsting and all who are seeking, "Come... and take the free gift of the water of life".


Your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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Thank you for your email. We appreciate the time you took to write us, however, it seems you are missing the purpose of the Experiments. What we want to do is to see if Christians can find a way to stop fighting, judging and contending against one another. We believe if those who claim to follow Christ would apply his plain and open teachings and deal with one another as brothers in Christ, our world will change for the better.

If Christians could stop pointing out the straws in their brothers’ eyes while ignoring the rafters in their own, we believe there would certainly be more peace among professed Christians. We try to have a hopeful attitude toward all, as did Jesus, and we try to treat everyone we meet as a brother in Christ, whether they have found their way to him or not. We believe this is what Jesus meant when he said his followers would be identified by the love they have for their neighbors and for one another. The purpose of Experiment No. 1 was to lay that foundation.

We know that many Christians have a more critical eye and believe that practicing the love of Christ toward all men is somehow weak, mistaken or wrong. To those with that view, we respectfully disagree, and we refrain from publishing those types of attitudes on our site.

Notwithstanding, it appears from your email that you love, honor and respect the Christ. Let us assure you that we do too. We absolutely honor Christ Jesus as the Sovereign of the Universe, the one to whom every knee should bend in heaven and on earth, and the exact representation of the very being of the Father in heaven. We know without a shadow of a doubt that he is just as he said, the way, the truth and the life, and we have complete faith in his ministry. And so in this manner, you are one with us. And while we respect that you consider yourself our servant, but we prefer to think of you as our sister.

Your Brothers in Faith,



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We know that many Christians have a more critical eye and believe that practicing the love of Christ toward all men is somehow weak, mistaken or wrong. To those with that view, we respectfully disagree, and we refrain from publishing those types of attitudes on our site.


If that is your reason for refraining from publishing my post, then you have read something into my post that is not there. I understand why you have read that into my post, mind you, because from your other site you state:

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And when we have let go of all ideas of man, we start anew with the two ideals that we know for a certainty to be true: that God is the Father of every man, which makes every man our brother. When we build our most holy faith on this foundation, we are safeguarded from all error. When we know these precepts to be true, who could convince us that God favors one people over another? Who could convince us that it is acceptable to physically enslave another, or use another as a beast of burden? Who could convince us to harm another? And who could convince us that God does not want His children to be with Him in the heavens?



You are connecting two concepts that are not connected. You have embraced a foundation that is false, perhaps because you believe that the only way we can practice the love of Christ to all men is by believing that God is the Father of all men, and so all men are brothers. Even though this statement is in conflict with Christ and the truth that He taught, as shared previously.

But what you seem to have missed is this:

One who belongs to Christ and to God is to become the LEAST, to serve Christ first and foremost and also to be the servant of those Christ sends him TO. One who belongs to Christ listens to Christ, obeys Him in all that He teaches and says.

One who belongs to Christ and listens to Him does not enslave others, or use others as beasts of burden, or harm others. If one is listening to Christ - and NOT to man or religion or doctrines or traditions, etc - one would KNOW these things and do as CHRIST says.

One would love ones enemies, give to those who ask of you, bless those who persecute you... set FREE... as Christ set free; show mercy, as Christ shows mercy; forgive as Christ forgives; love as Christ loves; speak TRUTH as Christ speaks and gives them to speak.

It is man and religion who teach other than what Christ teaches; who DO other than what Christ does - who teach law and judgment over mercy and forgiveness and love. Man and religion that lords himself/itself over others, instead of serving, as Christ served.




And we practice the love of Christ to all men because HE said to do this, even for one's enemies, that we may be sons of our Father in Heaven:

"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love only those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even the pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."


And because we love Him, we obey Him. It truly is that simple.


"If anyone loves me, he will obey my word. My father will love him, and we will come and make our home with him."




Your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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Good answers Tammy

It is very telling that they don't publish answers they don't want to hear LOL

Why ask questions is my question since they only want to hear their version of it which is so like the Watchtower.


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Sigh. Sadly, her doctrine appears to be the same as the WTBTS (peace to you all!):

"Christian love is not shown by sharing TRUTH, EVEN though Christ said we are to speak truth with one another, but by AGREEING with us... and NOT contending/disagreeing... even though WE don't agree with everyone. If you disagree with us, then you are not PROMOTING a "christlike" attitude."

Problem is... Christ didn't agree with ANY of the religiously inclined of HIS day - LOLOLOL! Indeed, he DISPUTED their (false) beliefs!

I feel terrible (for her) that she is this blind. Really, I do. Because I know her and know how much of a force FOR Christ she truly COULD be... if she left off leaning on her own understanding ("christian unity, even if founded on falsehoods" seems to be the goal - which is a WTBTS indoctrination, is it not?).

Baggage. She may be coming out... but she's dragging a LOT of "stuff"... and, VERY sadly, people, if her numbers are ANY indication... with her.

Too bad... too, too bad...

Ah, well, what can you do? Maybe she'll have the courage to post your comments, dear tams (peace, luv!), in spite of the disagreements. She has posted one of disagreement... but it wasn't really a disagreement, if you read it.

Oh, and I think the "purpose" of the experiment is not only poorly stated but CERTAINLY designed to LEAD people into agreeing with HER ("If you WERE a christian, you would NOT disagree, here").

Sigh.

Peace to you, all!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shelllamar, who HOPES this dear lady wakes up... before it's too late for her. Not as to her everlasting life, but her choosing as a king-priest... which repentance CAN grant...


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