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There is a lot of pictures on the internet of people paying tribute to him at the house that was used in the movie Mrs. Doubtfire and that one was surrounded by concrete and on a small property. He doesn't own that one. I am wondering if that's the one VG saw.

As Shelby posted this is his current house and it seems like there is lots of flora.

Thing is, the man died tragically (mornin' and peace to you all!). For whatever reasons, at his own hand. Now, some can understand that (for whatever reason, to whatever degree)... and some can't (for whatever reason, to whatever degree).

To JUDGE him... or ANYONE... for doing so, even taking potshots at where he (might have) lived... is just... SO... WTBTS. I truly don't get how ANYONE can say they're FREE of them... and SO "tolerant" of "everyone"... while doing that. What if HIS "christian" religion (again, Episcopalian) believes it's OKAY?

Sorry, but the hypocrisy is just unbelievable. Second only to the severe blindness. One literally judging... and more than once on this thread... while crying "I don't judge anyone" elsewhere. Do they truly think we don't SEE it? That God and Christ don't SEE it?

Only one way they could: they're blinded. By their OWN rafter... and truth obscured by their OWN veil.

Not being unkind here. Just stating the FACTS... and the TRUTH.

(Shaking head)... One thing to not TRY to judge but perhaps accidentally/unintentionally do so. Another entirely to blatantly do so... with absolutely NO reservations... while saying one DOESN'T... while accusing others of doing so.

Ugly, nasty, dirty, moldy, stinky... WTBTS baggage. Throw it OUT, already! PLEASE. For OUR sakes (because we don't want to see it HERE)... if not for your own sake ("BEWARE the leaven of the Pharisees, which is HYPOCRISY! ").

Blown away. I am.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar, of the "I need to channel Yoda so's I can maintain right about now" class...

Well.

Somehow I never even read the first page of this thread. I was a little surprised to hear that Robin Williams took his life (I heard it at work when it was not yet confirmed), but not overly surprised. Not because I ever thought that there was anything wrong with Robin Williams, but because people from all walks of life - celebrity and non-celebrity - take their own lives and suffer from whatever it is that causes them to do so. We just hear about it more when it is a celebrity.


It is tempting to try to guess at why someone takes their own life, and often people want to understand.

But we cannot compartmentalize/judge anyone. Because again people from all walks of life commit suicide, and from all faiths/non-faiths, and from all environments, ages, genders, economics, some are deeply loved, some are not, etc.



It is sad about Robin Williams. He brought a lot of people laughter and joy; seemed to be a man so full of life. And he may have been just that, right up to the moment that he took his life.


Peace to you all,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Yes, that is true.

I know a young man who confessed to me not too long ago that he does just that. But it is an act; he does not feel that INSIDE. Just the opposite in fact. But most people would never know this about him, they know only what he shows. But he cannot handle being alone.


Peace again,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

It was announced today by Robin William's wife that he was in the early stages of Parkinson's disease and had not told anyone but family yet. This may have been the trigger that put him over the top with his depression.

This is where he died 95 Saint Thomas way, Tiburon CA 94920

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/95-Sa ... 0698_zpid/

But as usual Aguest will jump in an and try to invalidate any post I make.

You are such a dear sweet kind Christian AGuest kiss kiss fake smile I can always
rely on your mean spirited and extremely boring inaccurate posts full of false information.

Is that house not right on the lake/ocean? And does it not have plants in pots around the pool? That is hardly a fortress without nature or fresh air. Living near the ocean, hearing the water and the wind, breathing that air... that is a PEACEFUL environment, at least to me.

Of course if one has no peace IN them, then it will not matter WHAT environment they are in. And the opposite is also true.


It looks like your post was inaccurate. And remember that Robin Williams had more than one house with LOTS of nature, etc. So your suggestion that a lack of greenery/nature as a cause of his suicide does not seem to be accurate or based on any evidence, does it? If you click the link that you provided, you will find that the features of that house include a garden. The first house Shelby listed is OF the Tiburon home where he died.

Shelby pointed out the truth on the matter. Your issue is with that.

Peace again,
your servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Wow that is a gorgeous house with a fabulous view of the ocean. I can't think that living there would depress a person LOL even if it didn't have a garden.

Of course if one has no peace IN them, then it will not matter WHAT environment they are in. And the opposite is also true.

Yes to this my sister, peace to you!

It don't dang matter what in the heck you live in, view, plants, flowers, $$$$$$$, when you SUFFER from something you can't quite get a grip on regardless what it is....you are miserable. Does NOT make you a bad person. Circumstances means jackcrap!!!

Robin Williams had everything on the outside it " appeared" to make one happy, but he was sick.
He was sick! And my heart goes out for him and his loved ones for their loss, PERIOD!!!!
Let the man RIP!

Peace as always, your sister and fellow servant of our Lord, Kim

I think a trip to BEAUTIFUL Tiburon would clear things up (peace to you, all!). Since that's probably not possible...

I used to manage 3 LOVELY senior properties in Tiburon and out of all of my portfolio, those were the sites I loved to visit most... because the area is absolutely break-taking. Since I am familiar with the area, let me give you a little "tour" -

As some of you may know, Marin County (where Tiburon is), is one of the COUNTRY'S (not just California) "best" counties. Along with counties such as Napa (where Mr. Williams also had a house), Sonoma, and parts of the Peninsula, their are fewer counties in Northern California more desirable to those with wealth than Marin. Not only that, but Marin County is RIFE with outdoors-ness. It is home to Muir Woods, where one "Star Wars" episodes and both "Planet of the Apes" episodes were filmed. George Lucas owns a home there, as to many other celebrities, including Carlos Santana (who would be my OTHER husband... after Keanu Reeves, but before Lawrence Fishburne... maybe).

Marin County is bordered on three sides by water: the Pacific to the west, SF Bay to the south, and San Pablo Bay to the East... and home to not only some of the loviest beaches in California (including Stinson Beach and Point Reyes Station), but is SO desirable a location that TWO of the areas toll bridges... the Golden Gate and the Richmond... access it. It is home not only to lovely Tiburon, but other wonderful little villages, such as Sausalito, Mill Valley, Fairfax, Kent, Ross, and Novato (all of which I had to frequent to service my portfolios).

In addition to the plethora of beaches, there is also GREAT hiking... on Mt. Tamalpais... and Angel Island (which was the WESTERN "Ellis Island" for immigrants entering the country from 1910 to 1940.

The word "Tiburon" is Spanish for "shark"... named for the infested waters in its small cove (just north of Alcatraz Island).

I could go on, but there's something more pressing I want to address:



Last year, my elderly aunt (who some of you know I went to visit, once close to 2 years ago... and then last year, when her second youngest grandson, my cousin's 19 year old son, died from MDS (a form of cancer resulting from treatment for leukemia). My aunt suffers from Parkinson's disease. Last year, she underwent the same kind of surgery that Michael J. Fox did (neuro implants in the brain) and that was a HUGE success. I say huge... because prior to, I had to talk my aunt out of suicide at least 5 times. Before the surgery, her condition was SO bad, SO advanced, that when I first saw her (after 20 years), I was horrified. But I didn't want her to know that... or to be afraid... so I sucked it up (of course I did!).

The only thing she could do for herself... was talk. She could not walk, or feed, clothe, or bathe herself... because the SHAKING was SO severe, it just didn't allow it. She could not keep food on the FORK, let alone the spoon, that's how HARD she shook. NOT like Muhammed Ali... or Michael J. Fox; WORSE. The ONLY time she didn't shake... was when she was asleep. Awake, though... she literally shook herself down the stairs one day, the last time she was permitted to walk. And so, when I saw her, she was confined to her bed and/or wheelchair. My heart BROKE for her.

What shocked me MOST, though, was that the reason I WENT... is because my dear aunt... who I always considered a rock... wanted to die SO badly... she kept telling me she was going to kill herself... or have someone else do it. And, per my cousins... was very serious, to the point of making plans. My aunt... the DEVOUT Lutheran. And some of you will recall, that my mother's family is absolutely DEVOUT Lutheran... we even having our own family church (formed in 1869 by my great-great grandparents, children of the slave owner, after they were freed by their father, who gave them the land, which land, church, cemetery - where my mother is buried - is still in my family today. I digress.).

THIS aunt, next to my mother, was the MOST devout... when I was growing up, so... her position was very concerning to me. But she was resolved: if she could do it... or get someone else to do it, she wasn't going to live with her condition another day. The ONLY thing that kept her alive was that she shook SO much and so HARD she could NEVER do it (she couldn't get a pill to stay in her hand, much less make it to her mouth! And a knife or needle? She was more apt to put an eye out than kill herself!). She also, though, had hope (but very little) for a potential surgery... but her faith was failing her (although her love of God did not - she felt like Job: "I love you, God, and always will... but I can't take this, I can't live like this!").

And so I spent a LOT of time talking with her and praying with her... BEFORE I went... AFTER I arrived... and on many occasions until she had the surgery. Indeed, the first time I went to see her was because she asked me to come AND pray with her, not do it over the phone. And so I went... and was permitted to also wash her feet while I was there, which she humbly and gratefully allowed me to do. But it was MY privilege.

On to today:

Although her hopes were up before the surgery, they were almost immediately dashed after... and for about a year... because there was no change. Absolutely none. But she had been told to expect that, that it was because the probes have to be "calibrated" and "adjusted" which takes about a year. She KNEW this... but her despair was GREAT. So, it was almost as it we were back to square one: I talked her out of wishing to die twice more. And I prayed, let me TELL you... because MY aunt, COMPLETELY healthy, was a force to be reckoned with. Imagine her... with Parkinson's... and no will to live! LONG discussions... and LONG prayers... and MUCH "flinty forehead" on MY part, let me tell you.

Eventually, though, they managed to get the probes adjusted and, as far as I know (i.e., what she tells me)... she is doing GOOD! She can walk, go out, shop a bit, FEED, BATHE, and CLOTHE herself (with a little help)!!!

So, when I read this about Mr. Williams, I first thought, "Ohhhh, nooooo! They have SURGERY, now!" And then my Lord reminded me: my aunt's "good"... is STILL not what most would be able to live with. PARTICULARLY a man who has lived more than half his life in the public eye... and in a world where the MEDIA is SO unkind under these circumstances. He reminded me of the tabloid covers in grocery store checkout lines where the illness and aging of celebrities is not only fodder for gossip... but actually considered "entertainment." He reminded of the covers I've seen of folks well into their senior years... some in the their 80's and 90's... yet these rags have NO problem speculating and opining on their "condition"... the "causes"... even going so far as to take issue with them for LOOKING OLD. People in their 80's and 90's. And so,

"What, then, child," he asked me, "Do you think this man feared they would do to HIM? He knew he would have had to have become a recluse, something almost impossible for a man like him, one who NEEDS to be with and among people, who loves people... and NEEDS people to love HIM. THAT is why he chose laughter as his occupation - he knew people NEED laughter, just as HE did. He could not face their disdain... revulsion... which he knew was sure to come. He knew that in HIS world "beauty" was also associated with GOOD health... and that BAD health was something many could not... WOULD not... tolerate. He could not bear going from a smiling clown, in their eyes, to a grotesque "jester." And many would have thought of him in that way... or used such an image to make their money selling images of him. He would have had to hide himself, every where he went."

And so, knowing what my aunt experienced... which may yet return and so we might just be back there, at some point... but even more, what my dear Lord HIMSELF experienced, having to hide HIMSELF from people due to HIS illnesses... I understand. I totally understand. And I am grateful to my dear Lord to giving me the TRUTH, although I would not have judged Mr. Williams - I have been very sad in MY life... and tired. Not to wanting to kill myself, but so sad and so tired that I can TOTALLY understand how someone who is MORE sad... MORE tired... and possible more afraid... than I've ever been... might want to.

I do not know what to offer to those who have GIVEN up all hope. I can say, "Hang in there!" or "God/Christ loves you!" But I don't think either will matter. I think many of those who take their own lives KNOW God loves them. They just can't live... anymore... with... whatever it is they can't live with... anymore.

For those who can't live with pain... or illness... any longer: May your sins be forgiven. I totally forgive you. May you have peace.
... and (hope to) see you soon (enough).

To ALL of you... may the peace of Christ be upon you.

A slave of Christ,

SA

My Dear Shelby!1
What a story about your Aunt, thank for sharing it. I can't imagine how badly she was suffering. I am very much in misery with my MS as its very bad but I would take it over Parkinson's disease anytime. It's a terrible disease and the prospects of having to endure such a thing was probably more than Robin could endure especially with him suffering from horrible depression.

There is a XJW lady I am in touch with on Facebook. She is an activist against the religion but anyway her Mom and Dad are JW's and have partially shunned her. I met them as they live close by to me and they had a seasonal trailer for sale on the Lake and we went to see it as I was in the market to buy one. We didn't like the Park or the waterfront they were on so we passed. Anyway she (the Mom) had Parkinson's Disease, she was early 60's then but when I met her she had NO visible signs of it. She was on Medication but she sure went on about it in the 20 minutes we sat and talked to them. It consumed her. I was using a walker to get into her trailer and had to sit down several times to ease the pain in my back. My disease was very evident and you could see that my mobility was painful and precarious. She didn't seem to think my problems were as bad as hers though LOL. Through Facebook her daughter the XJW kept us informed on what was going on with her family and Mom. They were retired and lived in Florida in the winter and here in the summer. She was a very beautiful woman and it was obvious she took great pride in her appearance.

Then suddenly last year (a year after I met her) the Mom (Janet) had a psychotic episode as a result of her medication and state of mind and she attacked her husband trying to kill him. She was arrested and committed to the psyche ward of the hospital for several months to ease her off the medication. She then had to live with her symptoms and she was not able to adjust. She was totally immersed in her suffering and hated how she appeared to others. She separated from her husband,
This resulted in her reaching out and communicating with her "apostate" daughter, she stopped shunning her and even moved to the Province she lived in and was going to move in a assisted living facility across the street from her. But then the other daughter who is a devout JW talked her into moving into another place so she could take care of her and so she wouldn't be influenced by the "apostate". Well the JW's took over her life and association, one of them apparently taking advantage of her. Anyway she felt so "alone" and couldn't deal with her disease and life. She killed herself last month. She was 63 years old. It obviously is a horrible disease.

Ahhh, dear, dear Zoe... my heart breaks for you, BOTH (peace to you, dear lady!). People who DON'T suffer from a debilitating disease just can't fathom, and don't have even the remotest clue if the condition is not manifest. Like diabetes. You can "see" cancer (well, the manifestation of the treatment) and other illnesses, but not ALL illness is readily discernable. I won't even go into that, except to say Mr. Williams probably couldn't hide his condition any longer... or received information as to its progression that he couldn't handle. And understandably.

I will say that I recently learned my brother suffers from SEVERE rheumatoid arthrisis, to the point he was paralyzed and in a wheelchair for 3 years (which I did not know - we hadn't kept in touch because, from his mouth, I was a JW - yikes!). He is now on Percocet (for the pain) and Enbrel, both of which are very powerful narcotics (the Enbrel is a once weekly injection which costs $700 a pop! Praise JAH, he's a disabled veteran so he has NO medical/pharmacy costs!).

Like you, dear lady, one of my son's closest friends (a JW-raised young man who is like a nephew to me), also suffers from MS... as does my husband's elder brother. And my dear mother died of (very painful toward the end) pancreatic cancer.

And I can see where ALL of them/you might decide you can no longer live (with the pain/condition). Absolutely. Given MY little (tiny) "aches and pains"... and having watched my mom suffer through the end (she would NOT give up, oh Lordy, she thought she could beat it!)... I can TOTALLY understand.

What I DON'T understand is people who judge... except that they DON'T understand, CANNOT even fathom. People who do NOT... CANNOT... understand... then, should take care of judging. GREAT care, truly! ESPECIALLY those of us who belong to Christ. Because if we have faith/believe in HIM... then surely we ALSO believe what he SAID. And HE said:

"STOP judging. For with the SAME judgment YOU judge... you will BE judged."

WILL BE. Not MIGHT be. Not COULD be. Not SHOULD be. WILL... be. And with the SAME judgment? OMGoodness! MY faith (in him... and the TRUTH of his words) says he meant what he said, and did NOT lie. And I'll tell ya, dear, dear Zoe... I have SEEN it fulfilled. On several people. And so EVERYONE... but particularly "christians"... should be VERY careful that they don't find themselves in the SAME situation... as the one they judged.

Can you imagine, though, someone come to HIM with an unbearable condition... or him even happening upon such a person... and HIM dismissing them, their illness... and their FEELINGS/STATE of MIND... because of the HOUSE they lived in??? I cannot, even.

May the undeserved kindness and peace of my Father, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH or Armies, and the love and peace of His Son and King, MY dear, dear Lord, Master, Teacher, Leader... and Savior... the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... be upon YOU, dear, dear lady... for YOUR love and kindness... and support... shown to his chosen ones... to time indefinite! Whether you ultimately join with us as part of his Body or not... may they BLESS... and KEEP you!

YOUR servant (always) and a slave of Christ,

Shel, who absolutely understands the saying, "There but for the grace of God..." NOT that those who suffer so do NOT have God's grace, but knowing that I could very well be in the same situation. And with diabetes... the pain, and possibly even blindness, amputation, heart attack... death... could very well be imminent. So, MY hope is that in showing MERCY and having COMPASSION for those who suffer OTHER illnesses, including MENTAL illness... perhaps some of that mercy will come back onto me. I can only hope. We should ALL hope such a thing... and NOT point the finger at what we DON'T know or understand...

Can you imagine, though, someone come to HIM with an unbearable condition... or him even happening upon such a person... and HIM dismissing them, their illness... and their FEELINGS/STATE of MIND... because of the HOUSE they lived in??? I cannot, even.

May the undeserved kindness and peace of my Father, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH or Armies, and the love and peace of His Son and King, MY dear, dear Lord, Master, Teacher, Leader... and Savior... the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... be upon YOU, dear, dear lady... for YOUR love and kindness... and support... shown to his chosen ones... to time indefinite! Whether you ultimately join with us as part of his Body or not... may they BLESS... and KEEP you!


Yes to this dear ZOE, may Jahs undeserved kindness, mercy and peace be upon YOU and ALL your household, love and leave to you as well, your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim

Peace to everyone. (How did y'all like that?)

I just wanted to say that I didn't take villagegirl's comments about the gardens and plants as negative as some did. In fact, I found them to be disconcertingly different than her normal posts. lol. Seemed like she was making an effort to just join in normal conversation.

Everyone was just kind of speculating on things with the limited story we had; but now we have a little better picture of the situation.

Environment can play an important role in depression, of course. Now we know he had beautiful environments at his homes - the water is so peaceful and uplifting normally.

I can only speak for myself as someone who suffered moderate depression for the whole 15 years I was simultaneously in the watchtower and married to my ex husband. My depression was due to what was going on with both of them, but my environment made it worse. I was in solid woods in a dark house. When I started gardening, it helped the depression a lot most of the time. But I found that when my daughter left home unexpectedly (went to school one day and decided not to ever come home again), my depression became very severe. I hated everything. I hated all my new plants that now I had to go outside and water and take care of everyday, because I just wanted to stay in my house and close all the curtains and just die.

So that's my take on the environmental aspect of depression - a good environment (one that makes the individual feel good) can help with mild depression, but does not matter much when it is severe.