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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:02 pm 
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May you all have peace!

My Lord told me something a little less than a week ago. I wrote what He gave me that night... I had to... it sat in my stomach, and I had to get it 'out'. I could not even think about sleep until it was out. But I did not share it then, I hesitated, and I also know now that I was missing something important. Something I had forgotten, something that He had told me a year ago: that the Palestinians were also Israel (from those ten tribes who were lost and assimilated into the surrounding cultures after Assyria defeated that Kingdom). That this current state of affairs between "Israel" and "Palestine" is reflective and repetitive of the former divided kingdom of Israel: the two tribe kingdom of Judah and Benjamin (the Jews today)... and the ten tribe Kingdom of the rest of the tribes.


But what He told me recently helped me to see - to fully grasp - that the Palestinians (maybe not all, but certainly among them) are also Israel. I almost shared it, as I said, but did not. Actually, I did not fully understand HIS ... sorrow, perhaps (because sorrow is what was invoked in me)... because I had somehow forgotten that the Palestinians are also Israel.


I have been following the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for many months now, as He has directed me. Learning and watching. One thing that I kept reading after the war with Gaza began was how Israel, using their air strikes on homes in the hopes of targeting militants, is killing many members of the same family. I don't think they have killed an ENTIRE family yet, but children, mothers, brothers, aunts, uncles, etc... all in the same family, extended family, etc. Now, every time I have read of these occurrences they sort of 'flashed' out at me, and of course I am disturbed. But not just for the regular reasons that it is sad that a whole family is killed. My Lord was telling me that there was something MORE to it than that. Our Lord reminded me about how this is a bad thing. To cut off an entire line of a man's family. He reminded me of how if an Israelite man died without children, to carry on his name, then his brother was to go to his widow and have children with her FOR his brother and his brother's name, so that name would not be wiped out from Israel.

"When brothers live together and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband's brother shall go in to her and take her to himself as wife and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. 6"It shall be that the firstborn whom she bears shall assume the name of his dead brother, so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel.… Deuteronomy 25:5

Then Judah said to Onan, "Sleep with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother." Genesis 38:8

"Teacher," they said, "Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him." Matthew 22:25





At first, when our Lord told me this... I thought it was just sad because perhaps Israel should know better, they should make every effort NOT to wipe out a man's line, even in war... they should find another way, even if they are doing it to other people than Israelites. I did not fully understand the depth ... for one our culture does not have this same law, same depth on names and blood being carried on. We have SOME, but not to this depth. For two... I had forgotten that Palestine was also Israel!

But the debates and info being shared on the subject recently reminded me of this thing that I had forgotten, that my Lord had told me last year... and I realized OH! Israel is doing this to their own brothers. Not just brothers as men, not just brothers as in Isaac (Israel) and Ishmael, both sons beloved of Abraham. But brothers in Israel, by blood and descent, if not by religion. And they do not even know it!

I don't have the words to describe this thing... except sorrow. Because that is what my Lord relayed to me.


But this also cleared up any last reservations I had previously that Palestinians are also Israel. My Lord has made this very clear to me. It adds so much depth to understanding this conflict.


May you all have peace, and may the sons of Israel also have peace with one another at the least,
your servant and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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But the debates and info being shared on the subject recently reminded me of this thing that I had forgotten, that my Lord had told me last year... and I realized OH! Israel is doing this to their own brothers. Not just brothers as men, not just brothers as in Isaac (Israel) and Ishmael, both sons beloved of Abraham. But brothers in Israel, by blood and descent, if not by religion. And they do not even know it!

I don't have the words to describe this thing... except sorrow. Because that is what my Lord relayed to me.



Yes dear Tammy and when I do watch some of this on the news or read about it ( I cannot stomach all of it)
I am over saddened as well at brothers killing brothers.

My Lord reminds me that their violence and anger towards each other because of their hard hearts and stiff necks and denying and putting to death the son of Jah, their savior Jaheshua MischaJah is the reason, and so it is written in Matthew 23:39...

For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of The Lord Jaheshua MischaJah, the chosen one of Jah


May they one day soon put faith in the name of this one.
And may all of Abrahams seed who wish be given ears to hear the spirit and bride that says, Come, and let anyone thirsting, Come, let anyone that wishes take life's water FREE!

Your sister and fellow slave of our Lord, Kim


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The issue is a tribal one and always has been and the problem IS BECAUSE they are of the same "family".


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And THAT is the underlying conflict here, dear tec ( peace to you and THANK you for sharing this! ):

- Isaac (Jews) vs. Ishmael (Islam)... and vice versa, yes...

But ALSO...

- Israel (the part that is the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah/Benjamin... or the Yehudi/"Jews") vs. Israel (the part that is the 10-tribe kingdom of "Israel" or the Palestinian Arabs/"Samaritans")... and vice versa.

Long, LONG before the Jews of the first century denied Christ as MischaJah (Chosen One of JAH... or Messiah)... they disowned the other 10 tribes, "Oholah." When she (the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel) was allowed to be captured and exiled by the Assyrians... because of her fornication and adultery (worshipping other and false gods)... her "sister", yet bosom enemy... "Oholibah"... the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah not only pointed the finger... but REJOICED at her demise!

And then... they did worse. As a result, THEY were allowed to be captured and enslaved by the Chaldeans. The 2-tribe kingdom (Judah - "Jews") REPENTED though and were allowed to return and rebuild the temple. But, as is Israel's modus operandi, they soon forgot... and so began false worship AGAIN. THIS time, their "god"... was mammon.

THAT is what my Lord meant when he TOLD them they couldn't slave for TWO masters... as they would love the one and hate the other. One master was (supposed to be) him... which master they "hated" due to their love of the other master (or "god")... money "You SAY you are rich, but you do not KNOW..." "It will be EASIER for a camel to get through the eye of a needle" "If YOUR eye is SIMPLE..." "Do not WORRY as to what you will eat..." "Do not be ANXIOUS over ANYTHING"... "Go, sell your belongings, give to the poor and come follow ME").

Money had become their god because of all that it brought them. Primarily, affluence... and power, Power over their fellowman, particularly the "amharar'ets" or (lowly) people of the land. Those they considered beneath them... mere "peasants." EVEN... their brother(s). That love led to all manner of false worship, false witness, leaven... even murder. For the SAKE of affluence and power. Which THEY viewed as "respect" from others. That view was false... and blind... though ("You SAY you are rich and in need of nothing... but you do not know, you are...").

And it is really the exact same situation today. Some might not want to SEE (let alone admit) that, but that is the truth. One group views the other with contempt and condescension. Believe they are "better"... for a number of reasons, foremost that the people are not "worthy," are "beneath" them, don't "deserve" (the land), etc.

Sadly, as you and dear P (peace to you, dear, dear brother)... it IS a "family" affair.

Peace to you, both!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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I'm going to post this link here for anyone whom it might help, although the story is also pertinent to Shelby's thread on who Israel considers to be a Jew. But this is one example of how one's Israelite blood can be forgotten. Imagine people converting and having children 2500 years ago... how quickly such a thing could happen.


Also, it is just very interesting:


RAMLE, Israel (JTA) — In her living room in the Israeli town of Ramle, Sarah says she wants a peaceful life. At 79, she deserves one.

A Hungarian-born Holocaust survivor, Sarah was sent to a Nazi concentration camp in Serbia as a child, arriving in Israel at age 17. Her entire family perished in the Holocaust.

Now she watches from her armchair as her family is threatened once again. Sarah — not her real name — is now a Muslim, and her daughter lives in Gaza City.
“The whole city is in ruins,” Sarah says. “Everyone is just trying to find a piece of bread.”

Sarah arrived in Israel in 1950, one of the tens of thousands of Jewish survivors who found refuge in the young Jewish state. From there, her story departs from the conventional narrative.

In 1962, she married an Arab Israeli and, with no surviving family of her own, converted to Islam to join his. Neither of them were particularly religious.
“In my time it wasn’t Arab or Jew,” said Sarah, who speaks Hebrew with a slight European accent. “We knew there was no problem between Jews and Israeli Arabs. I’m very liberal; my husband was the same. We felt no discrimination.”

Light-haired and soft-spoken, Sarah has lived for decades in the same Ramle apartment, which she now shares with her daughter, Nora. Both women leave their hair uncovered, and Nora said not to worry as she set out tea and cookies on the last day of Ramadan. She wasn’t fasting.

Sarah’s other daughter, also an Israeli citizen, moved to Gaza in 1984 after she married. On Sunday, Sarah and Nora waited by the phone as the Arabic news network Al Jazeera played on the television.

In the first days of Israel’s Operation Protective Edge, Sarah’s daughter took her six children and one grandchild and fled their home in the Zeitoun district of Gaza City for a calmer area in the southern Gaza Strip. The day they left, their four-story home was destroyed, most likely by an Israeli airstrike. Since then, the family has survived on dry goods and whatever they can scrounge up during brief ceasefires.

Along with food, electricity is scarce in Gaza, so Sarah has a hard time getting in touch with her daughter. She learned the house was destroyed only when another relative posted on Facebook a picture of the rubble. She hopes for the rare phone call when her daughter manages to charge her phone. But sometimes, no call at all is better.

“With every phone call, we pray that she’s charged so we can reach them, talk to them, see how they are,” said Nora. “Every call jolts us, that we won’t hear bad news.”

Neither woman would agree to be photographed or give many personal details out of fear of retribution from Israeli authorities or Hamas, the reigning power in Gaza. Only Nora would give her first name.

Though they have lived through such conflicts before — Protective Edge is the third such campaign in Gaza in six years — Sarah says this round has been harder than previous ones. Anti-Muslim discrimination flared up during previous conflicts, but Sarah said the antagonism seems stronger this time.

“I go to day centers [for the elderly], and they don’t talk to me,” Sarah said. “Behind my back, they curse me. I hear it. I hear ‘Their name should be erased. They should die.’”
Sarah and Nora used to enjoy driving to Gaza City to visit Sarah’s daughter. But Nora hasn’t been allowed to visit since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993. Sarah was allowed only once, for a five-day visit several years ago.

Will the family return to Zeitoun to rebuild its home? When will Sarah’s daughter be allowed to visit the family in Ramle? Will Sarah ever be able to visit her grandchildren and great-grandchild in Gaza?

They don’t know.

Is there still hope for peace? At that question, Nora shakes her head.

“Honestly, no. I don’t think the situation will get better after this war,” Nora said. “There’s tension between me and my Jewish friends. They want to justify themselves and this war. I never encounter a person that says, ‘Enough spilled blood’ or ‘Poor civilians.’ I haven’t heard that.”

Like most Israelis, Nora has coped with the sirens that warn of incoming missiles for a month now. She opposes Hamas, she says, and understands that Israel needs to protect its citizens, though she wishes the government would scale back its operation and pursue diplomacy more aggressively. Her family in Gaza, she said, is not affiliated with any movement — not Hamas, not Fatah, not any other.

“Israel has the full right to self-defense,” Nora said. “The missiles don’t differentiate between Jew and Arab. We don’t need to see houses destroyed, women crying, dead soldiers. A soldier is the son of a mother. Anywhere in the world, the pain of a mother is the same pain.”

Both Sarah and Nora say they support a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Both wish their Gaza family could visit Israel to eat Bamba and Bissli, the classic Israeli snack foods they love. Both wish they could hop into a cab and drive to Gaza City to eat fish on the coast.

But Sarah says that because of Hamas, because of the war, because of the antagonism born of decades of separation between Israelis and Palestinians, a hopeful future seems less likely than ever. She scoffed at the occasional peace negotiations.

“It’s all nonsense,” she said, then in Yiddish: “Bubbe meises.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-israel- ... -daughter/




Peace to you!
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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