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One of the sure signs of possession ( as opposed to mental illness) by the way, is the ability to speak a language that a person has never be taught, typically it is a "dead language" like Aramaic or even "angel speak".
Very interesting, dear P (mornin' and peace to you!). I'm not sure, but you may have been misled, if this is what you believe. I say that because I once had an experience related to tongues. I don't think I was possessed, at least not in the way most consider that word - taken over by a "demon"/bad spirit. I WAS filled with holy spirit and guided by my Lord, though, and that, too, is a possession, so.... I posted about it on JWN (or maybe H20... or New Light), many years ago. Here is the gist of what I shared:
I had gone with another professed Body member to Las Vegas to meet her cousin (who lived there). That cousin was at the beginning stages of seeking Christ and had met a group of ladies who claimed to possess holy spirit (I am not commenting as to whether they did or didn't - that's not the point of this sharing). I was ecstatic because I thought, "Yay! The more (of us) the merrier!" and so I was eager to meet them.
We went to an (older) lady's apartment where one initial thing that occurred began to make me feel at home: I suggested we wash feet and all agreed! Okay, starting to "feel" like I'm among "brethren." But then, the lady took out some vials of oil and said we needed to "anoint" one another. (Ummmm... my Lord's never told me about/to do that, ma'am... but, okay, let's see where all of this goes...).
So we chatted a bit, and then the lady began to pray. Now, others praying "publicly" makes me a bit nervous. What I received from my dear Lord is that we are to pray in private. Give thanks publicly, absolutely. Pray out loud in front of others, i.e., publicly, not so much. Unless, of course, you're praying FOR someone (i.e., someone ill, infirm, in some kind of physical need, etc.). But, again, I was a guest, so... her house, her rules.
Just after the start of the prayer, though, the Vegas cousin began to "speak". And in a language NONE of US understood. And as she spoke... she began to cry softly. She spoke somewhat quietly, not raucously, etc., and cried quietly (tears streamed). Her eyes were closed. We all kind of looked at one another, in wonder (not judgment or fear)... and then... all of a sudden I could understand... VERY clearly... EXACTLY what she was saying. And... it was in ancient Aramaic. And... it was my dear Lord speaking "through" her. And... he was
utterly distressed over "Israel."
His words were, in effect, asking "Israel" why they had abandoned him, why, when he loved them SO much, even to give his life for them, why they continually pursued other gods who did not know them or care for them, who could not help them... why they kept rejected him... when he loved them SO much... why wouldn't they come, return to him... and relieve their suffering and pain? He started off asking that, almost BEGGING-like, and with GREAT sadness and pain. I could FEEL the heart pain... and so understood why she was crying - HE was crying... for "Israel." "He" then began to cry because, as "he" said, "They didn't know what was in store for them, what awaited them, what 'he' wanted to save them FROM."
At first, I did not understand what he meant by "Israel" (he pronounced it "Jah'ish'ra'El")... but while "he" was speaking I came to understand it to mean "Man who contends with JAH as the TRUE God", or "who fights against JAH as the TRUE God", so I understood the Hebrew term "Y'sra'el" from that point...). Not meaning they fight against JAH Himself, per se (although it does mean that), but the words meant more like contending with/fighting against JAH... AS the True God. By means of their seeking, having, following OTHER gods.
As "he" spoke, I had the privilege of interpreting the words. And I will tell you, "his" pain... broke my heart!! I don't think I've ever heard such pleading, such admonition, such... love. And so, such heartbreak. He said he would do what he did all over again, every step, if "Israel" would just return to him, that he regretted nothing. There was NOTHING bad in what he said. EVERYTHING he said you could KNOW came from a place of love.
When "he" was done speaking... she "woke up." I say woke up... because SHE had NO idea as to what had just happened!! She was not sad, or tearful, didn't understand why she had been crying. THAT she had been crying. She said she had just pretty much been "listening to the prayer." But the prayer had stopped... when SHE began to speak.
I do not speak Aramaic, at all, dear one. Nor can I say I understand it if someone were to speak it to me NOW. But I absolutely understood it that day, and understood that it WAS (ancient) Aramaic. And I can honestly say I was not "possessed," at least, not in the way some teach "possession" is. Nothing and no one "took over" me. I was used, yes, but not unwillingly.
Was SHE possessed? I think I can say yes, she was... but not in a bad way, not at ALL. She didn't scream or curse or float... or throw herself down... or faint. There was no frost/freezing air... smoke... foul odor... apparitions... specters... haunting voices... spinning heads... NOTHING that one might think of when thinking of someone being "possessed" (by a spirit)... as perhaps the movies... and religion... have led us to believe. Quite the opposite: she was calm and quiet the entire time, albeit crying (but again, quietly). There was no "outcry", no harsh words, no cursing. Nothing but simple, heartfelt and heart-wrenching pleading for "Israel" to return and stop rejecting (him)... and so find peace for themselves. I would say she certainly WAS "taken-over," but there was NOTHING bad... or frightening... about the event.
And it all took less than 5-6 minutes. When we were done, the only ones at the table who seemed surprised was the lady who "spoke" and her cousin who had taken me to Vegas to meet her. When we discussed it, briefly, afterward, the lady said she had never had anything like that happen to her and, again, she didn't even remember it. So, I told HER what she had "said."
We all left rejoicing that day because "something" so unusual had occurred... and was faith-building for us ALL. Not running through the streets trying to make converts, though. Well, I didn't. I am not sure what the others did. I think I remember the host and other ladies heading for a revival of some kind. Soon after that, the lady who took me to Vegas, her cousin, and I all went separate ways... physically and spiritually. Apparently, they met a charismatic preacher who proclaimed that speaking in "tongues," the unintelligible kind some of you have mentioned here, was a literal REQUIREMENT, because speaking in "tongues" was the ONLY proof of one having God's holy spirit! And while I tried to explain that, yes, it is ONE manifestation... but not one given ME (not
speaking; I was granted to
interpret, but only that one time. That day, none of US spoke Aramaic, and so I was granted the [one-time] "gift" of interpreting what was being said at THAT time)... they weren't able to accept that.
But it is NOT mere gibberish; it is actual language that others can understand. The preacher-man, however, apparently was a proponent of the kind of "tongues" you all have brought up here, that which is a cacophony of unintelligible sounds and words (that some like to CLAIM is the "tongue of angels." It is NOT. Paul didn't MEAN that we COULD speak in the tongue of angels - why WOULD we, unless we were speaking TO angels??? - but that even if we DID, if we didn't have LOVE there would be no POINT!).
Unfortunately, the Vegas experience had an affect on the lady who was used to "speak" that in her pursuit for more experiences she was captivated by this man, and so began to follow him, she and the one who took me to Vegas. Captivated... until, my understanding is, things began leading to some inappropriateness. Praise JAH, I think she saw THEN that his motive wasn't pure; unfortunately, that left them both floundering, spiritually, and running from religion to religion trying to find AGAIN what they had at the first. I am not sure whether they have, though, either of them, to this date. And this was about 13-14 years ago.
My point, though, is that I think we, who ARE of the Body, should be careful when (perhaps unknowingly) attributing a "bad" connotation to someone being able to speak a "dead" language. By that, I mean, the term "possession" is usually mean to convey an UNDESIRABLE situation; however, that is not always the case. True, one can be possessed by a bad spirit; however, if JAH and Christ actually DO come and "dwell" in one... that, too, is a "possession." Particularly if the one has given themselves OVER... TO JAH and Christ... to be USED by these. One has, then, GRANTED to them possession (of one's own vessel)... to be used for THEIR will.
But I am also directed to share with you (all) that ancient Aramaic is actually NOT a "dead" language. JAH is the God of the LIVING... and Christ LIVES... and it is the tongue they often use when speaking to the sons of man (although WE are given "ears" to hear as such words would interpret into our OWN language/tongue). Since THEY are not dead, though, neither is the (earthly) language they use. Thus, my Lord directs me to share with you that there is one who WISHES man to BELIEVE that that "tongue"... Aramaic... is dead... JUST as he wishes man to believe the Ones who USE it are (dead). Because he does not want man to LISTEN... so as to HEAR them SPEAK... and perhaps be SAVED! Hence, he has his "agents" LIE... and TEACH lies... as to these things! Not just that the language is dead, but that JAH and Christ are, as well. Because, remember, it is the dead... WHO DO NOT SPEAK.
But what he and his agents teach IS NOT TRUE! The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and His Son, the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)...
are ALIVE. And... they SPEAK. And... sometimes... often... they speak...
in Aramaic.
Being able to speak in ancient Aramaic, then... and even more, to UNDERSTAND and INTERPRET what is being said... CAN be a privilege, dear one, and not a "curse." And so, WE, the BODY of Christ, must be VERY careful that WE are not misled... into saying that what is GOOD... is bad!
As always, peace to you... and I hope this helps, truly!
YSSFS of Christ,
Shellamar
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