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AGUEST SAID




Funny you mention this, dear tec (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!). Driving home last night, I was thinking of Dr. (Stephen) Hawking... and how he is SO much more than the vessel he currently resides in! People hugely revere him, and perhaps rightly so. What, though, if that mind was unable to communicate? Should we assume that just because the body doesn't work the mind/heart IN it does not, either?

I am sure that there was many others who suffered similarly from ALS hundreds/thousands of years ago. Because there was no way to "communicate" with them, or they with us... should we have assumed there was nothing... ummmm... of high intellect going on there? I am sure we did. Until, perhaps, Helen Keller or someone similar.

The body is only a visible representation... for that which we cannot SEE. Unfortunately, most believe that if we can't SEE it/something, it does not EXIST. So, for example, if say, Dr. Hawking could NOT communicate, there are those who would assume that nothing more than a vegetable exists INSIDE that body. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... but I think that many scientists believe that when their instruments indicarte a lack of brain activity (or even only lower brain stem activity).

Does the fact that the BODY doesn't work, though... or work to the point that we can measure/gauge/record it's... mmmmm... "responsiveness"... mean there IS no consciousness... and thus, no intellect... INSIDE it? Although the BODY may not be responsive, does that TRULY mean the person INSIDE isn't? Sure, perhaps they CAN'T... because they can only do so THROUGH the body (or instruments that measure/gauge activities of the body that "indicate" responsiveness), but does that mean they AREN'T?

Makes me start to think more about life support. Although, if they can't revive my body to a greater or lesser degree such that I COULD communicate with those outside (my body)... I would have to ask myself, for purposes of life in THIS world... what would be the point?

My apologies for the deviation, but your comment reminded me of my thinking last evening.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Just got back from watching "Wicked" with Jackie and her nieces. It was a fine performance with impressive stagecraft and costumes

now back to the thread

When I type "Jesus" I am thinking of the same person that you call "Jaheshuah", others call Yeshua, or Yesu, or Joshua, or Son of God, etc. I understand you have a thing for typing what you believe to be the correct phonetical transliteration of his name But for future reference, every time I mention Jesus I am meaning your "Jaheshua"

I am not an atheist ;P I remember typing something similar in a different thread on this forum to the same effect lol I consider myself Christian with the philosophical journey of a Zen Buddhist intermixed with essences of Taoism.

We've gone back and forth now on the stem cell/spirit topic You mentioned that it's possible that it's not the stem cell or marrow or bone alone that contains the spirit/life but also the initial first cell. Because the precursor to a stem cell or any cell all comes into being by the sperm fertilizing the egg and then the cell develops into it's various stages and then we have an embryo.

The argument for Spirit being in the Blood or Marrow and now possibly stem cells reaches further into another topic. Now it's not just a question of does fire destroy the Spirit but a question of at what point does human life take place? what point does the Spirit enter the body? is it at the two cell stage? the blastocyst stage? when stem cells appear? or when the organs take shape and the very first heartbeat occurs? If the Spirit is within the stem cells then countless Spirits are remanded back to heaven due to miscarriages and aborted births. The scope is vast enough to warrant multiple threads ;P

Justmom earlier shared that the "magical switch" that I typed about earlier is the "Breath of Jah" This is a fine explanation if the discussion is kept in the realm of religion and belief. When one attempts to connect religious concepts and ideas to specific scientific theories and methodologies then one has to go all in or not we can't vacillate back and forth between the two. Now in science there are processes and items that still can not be explained adequately and they are named appropriately with a generic name such as "something producing compound that does this" This is very analogous to Justmom using "Breath of Jah". It's the term used when we are not sure what is going on. ;D

I know I'm jumping around in answering the questions and requests for clarification posed to me So please bear with me. In your World of the Dead vision you saw those that had virtually no life in them but they came alive when the Lord was presence before them. That they could not wake up on their own without his presence. That they had a teeenie bit of life within them, just enough to stir when spoken to by the Lord. This is similar to the RFID chip found in some store merchandise. On it's own it's just a chip of metals with no power source and is dead but when exposed to an electromagnetic field they transmit information. this is a scientific analogy to your dead vision ;P

and jumping around again ;P in another part of your post you asked why it would bother/concern me "if there is a way for the spirit to survive fire, although the bones have been completely burned" It does concern me a bit because I've read in the past where people have talked about cremation and then are informed that fire destroys the Spirit. They are also informed that cremation destroys the Spirit and then they are in anguish for their loved ones. Then to find a loophole there is a "but if a fragment of bone is left then the Spirit can survive" and now the "baby teeth." Perhaps you misunderstood when the Lord told you about this fire that destroys the Spirit. Is it possible that it's not an earthly flame but a different type of flame? Fire is just a chemical reaction. Fire is physical. Can the physical harm the spiritual? Fire cannot destroy matter, it can only change it's form from one thing to another. How fragile is the Spirit if it can be destroyed so easily? How much anguish by others could have been prevented if instead of saying "cremation destroys the Spirit" we say that cremation does not destroy the Spirit? What bothers me is the emotional pain of an individual.

On the subject of open minds and the lord speaking to us
Two people listen to a song on the radio. One person pays attention to the vocals. The other person pays attention to the instrumentals. Both hear the same song but pay attention to vastly different parts. The lyrics may be sad and harsh but the musical tempo may be upbeat and bright. This is how two people can hear the same song yet receive contradictory messages.

I do have an open mind, that's why I'm a participant of this forum as well as other forums and why I have been a student of various belief systems ;D An open mind only requires me to give sincere thought and time to other views. I also take into account the person sharing the views. I can acknowledge that some views work best for others and some views work best for me. Thus far no anger or insult has been felt in me so that is also a sign of a receptive and noncombative frame of mind We're just two people exchanging views and opinions and hopefully we both get some knowledge out of this
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

CHARIKLO SAID

I've been keeping an eye on all posts over the Christmas period but haven't had the time or mental space to post a clear response, so I decided that silence was my best option until I was moved to write. Now I am, but it has to be quick.

First, yes, Pup!



That goes for me too, smile included!

As to the rest...there are some things I want to say, but it is going to have to be later on, sorry everyone!

With a family the size of mine there are demands upon me, and I must fly!

AGUEST SAID




Yes! We saw it a few years ago in San Francisco, dear HP (the greatest of love and peace to you!). My husband and in-laws LOVED it! I “liked” it (very much, though – just a little too high-pitched for me at times).



K



Yes, I totally understand. It is not my intention to offend you or anyone by using my Lord’s name... but only to honor him in the way he has asked me to: by using his correct name, versus the name the “world” has given him (and repeatedly profaned). If I truly LOVE him, then how can I not do what he asks of ME? I am truly sorry if others “stumble” over it but obeying him and doing “just so” is why I’ve received the many, many... mmmm... “rewards”... I have up to this day. Including the anointing. Until the other day, when I put you all ahead of him... I had always done just do. Always. Even when others didn’t like it... or me. The one time I did not... well, I can’t even describe to you how I felt, how utterly... remorseful. Not only because of having disobeyed him (he doesn’t hold such against one who does)... but the loss to YOU dear folks – I cannot share with you what I received. That shouldn’t be!

Please know that I do not judge you or others for the name you use. If you feel I am, I must ask that you examine your own hearts and ask why... because I don’t. If I did, why would I be here, even “associating” with you? Christ is not like that nor has he taught me to be like that. He HAS taught me to speak truth from now own and so I can’t lie to you and say it’s “okay, use whatever name you want”... when I have learned that it isn’t. I mean, you don’t WANT me to lie to you, do you? If calling on the NAME... and his is a name to which every knee will (eventually) BEND... shouldn’t WE... of ALL people... know it... and USE it? I’m thinking, yes, we should. But... that’s me. Each one must decide for himself/herself.

Now, back to the thread – LOLOLOL!


My sincere apologies! Somehow, I had the impression that our only Christian moderator was dear Psacto (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear brother... and welcome back!)



Yes. My understanding, until recently, is that the life is in the blood, which is in the bones because marrow, which is in the bone, is what manufactures blood. Now, it’s possible that that was just... ummmmm... what, a “basic” understanding, one that didn’t go into great details... perhaps because I wouldn’t have understood such... ummmmm... intricate... details? Or perhaps wasn’t ready to understand/receive it... perhaps because of the controversy surrounding stem cells, etc.?

To help me understand that, my Lord gave me a vision where I was standing on a high ladder, looking down on a high stack of clear film sheets. The film at the bottom of the stack had an image on it. Looking down through all of the other films I THOUGHT I knew what the image was. And then he peeled off a film. Then I REALLY thought I knew, although my perception changed ever so slightly. Then he peeled off a few more. Again, I thought I knew because I could now see the image even more clearly. As he peeled away films, I realized that although I could say I knew what the image was (say, a dog), I couldn’t necessarily tell what KIND of dog, or even what color (what appeared “blue” to me was actually “gray”), etc.

So with this matter. I understood blood, bone, marrow... and now the understanding is going deeper. This happens, dear one. Is it a matter of the light getting brighter? (Smile) No. The light is as bright as will always be. What is occurring is that my SIGHT is getting CLEARER. Although we may have the “scales” removed, we don’t necessarily see clearly right away, if at all. Paul went blind, physically, but his SPIRITUAL sight increased. Some believe he knew everything the very day he saw the light and heard our Lord’s voice. He did not. That is why his early teachings are often in opposition to that of our dear Lord and the Apostles’.

So, it’s not the LIGHT that gets brighter... but our SIGHT... that become clearer. Even down to the intricate details, some of which while man in general cannot see/know without advanced tools and technology WE can... by listening to Christ, the Spirit.


Yes.



It does and one that I have avoided for, well, most of the time I have been sharing what I hear/see. It is one of 4-5 topics that I either avoid because I KNOW folks are ready to hear the truth about them (and so I’ve asked to NOT have to share them)... or my Lord has directed me not to (for the same reason – we are not always able to bear what he has to tell us). This is... well, perhaps was... one of those topics. If I am compelled to share as we continue this discussion, I will try my BEST to be gentle, tender, loving, and kind... while being truthful. Please... please... forgive me if my... forthrightness... comes off as too blunt. I truly don’t mean to offend but only to be truthful with you.

Q

Yes.



Okay, here is where that honesty that I mentioned above comes in: with the MOST Holy One of Israel, the spirit enters the body at the moment that His spirit enters. So, it is when:

1. His breath enters someone’s body (Adham)
2. His blood enters someone’s (those who were “transfused” by our Lord)
3. His seed enters someone’s body (Mary)

And it is the same for man. “Life” (spirit) enters... when we give another our breath, blood... or seed. As for seed, the moment it enters the egg... that is the moment that spirit... life... comes into existence. I realize that that might be a difficult truth to grasp, given our modern thinking... but that is the truth.


Yes. Countless. And each one is known and remembered.


I am not sure I understand what you mean by “vacillate”, except perhaps that you don’t believe the two are compatible and/or should not be discussed in unison. Can you clarify, please? Because if that’s what you mean, I have to disagree: they not only can be so discussed but are in harmony. Something some of us have been saying for quite some time. I mean, can you HAVE a physical universe created by God... a spirit... and it NOT have SOME correlation with the spirit(ual)? It came OUT of the spirit realm, so there must be SOME connections. Right?



Explained adequately by WHOM, dear one? Us? Okay. But does that mean those processes/items don’t exist, just because WE don’t (yet) know of them/can’t explain them? Aren’t they there, in spite of OUR (sometimes very) limited knowledge of them? And while the world must wait on... well, the world... to explain them... must WE? Would not the One who created them be able to explain them... and do so to those who belong to Him? If not, why not?


I had to smile when I read your word “appropriately.” Appropriately for whom, dear one? Man? Okay. But does that negate that the MOST Holy One of Israel might have HIS names/terms for them? Like with the name of our Lord? Is it man’s name that should be important to us? Or what he calls himself/is called by the Father?

I also like your statement “the term used when we are not sure what is going on.” Because of our limitations, yes? But the MOST Holy One of Israel is not so limited. At least, not as I have learned Him to be. To the contrary, there is NOTHING He doesn’t know. Some of it (eventually ALL of it) He condescends to share with man.


No, no... you’re doing fine! Again, I am greatly enjoying our discussion... and it's a heady one! I just hope, again, that MY forthrightness isn’t too... mmmmmmm... off-putting... for you. “Christianity” has taught us that not only are we to water down our words with others, but to expect them to do so with us. They’ve told us that we need others to speak to us “kindly and mildly” which is TRUE... but their “kind and mild” often translates to “deceitfully.” Tell folks what they want to hear... and do it HOW they want to hear it... rather than the truth. As a result, most of man can’t handle the truth. Because the truth “hurts.” No, better to have “cotton candy” – soft... and sweet. Forget about the problems eating a diet of cotton candy can cause.


Yes!


Okay, I can accept that!

Q
I am SO sorry, dear one – at the time I asked, I thought you an atheist. Since atheists believe in no afterlife, I couldn’t understand why it would matter – such ones would just be gone, in finality, and it was curious that an atheist was concerned about that. Now that I know DIFFERENT, my question really was out of line. Again, my apologies!



But isn’t this a reason for JOY for such ones? I’m not sure I understand the “concern” – where previously there seemed to be NO hope, there may now be hope!

Q

Oh, let me assure you... I went back and ASKED... MANY times about that! MANY times! Because, given the culture of cremation (for MANY and for SO long, but now even among the modern Body), I HAD to be sure! And, no, I did not misunderstand.



My understanding is that fire can harm the spirit, that fire is what destroys spirits, actually... as well as the vessel that houses the spiritual. I had typed out something more here, but I am directed by my Lord to ask you... and any others who are pondering this issue to consider that list of things I was permitted to share with you, above. Look into those things... and let HIM “teach” you as to what fire can harm. Because I am not sure that it’s about the actual harm... but the... well, all I can say is “utter disregard”... for what fire symbolizes?

Q

I think that that’s our current understanding of fire, dear one. We learn new things every day, though, and that’s one of the things that “bothers” me about science: truth is only what we know at the time; however, truth... is truth... regardless of what we know about a matter at any given time. Truth does not change; our understanding of what is true is what changes.

Can fire destroy the spirit? It can. Which is why fire destroys Gog and Magog. Destroyed those in Sodom/Gomorrah. Was NOT used to cleanse the earth in Noah’s day. Was used to try and destroy Daniel and his companions (and why it didn’t is a wonderful thing in and of itself). Will be used to destroy those whose names aren’t written in the Lamb’s book. Was used by Hitler to try and destroy the Jews. And so on and so on...

Q
I don’t know if it’s so easily, dear one. It is fire that is SO hot, that it must be contained and controlled in a special environment.

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How much anguish by others could have been prevented if instead of saying "cremation destroys the Spirit" we say that cremation does not destroy the Spirit?


So, you’re suggesting that we lie to folks in order not to cause them anguish. Isn’t that what religion does... indeed, is for? To tell God’s people “there is peace... when there is no peace"? What, though, if that is not the TRUTH?

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What bothers me is the emotional pain of an individual.


I totally understand that, dear one. I don't want to CAUSE anyone any pain, emotional or otherwise. But do we overstep the truth to avoid doing such? Is our vocation to “tickle” ears? Or tell the truth? None us want others to experience pain. But that’s not something we avoid by lying to others. I can tell folks all day long that, “Of course you (your mom, dad, uncle) are going/went to heaven! Yes, God TOOK that little angel!” That would make them feel better, yes. For awhile. What, though, when they come to realize that that is NOT the case? You have lied to them. Why? To spare them pain? Okay. If you feel comfortable doing that I can’t... and don’t... judge you. I know that it’s our own words that eventually judge us, though... and so for ME... I have to stick to the truth.

I usually don’t bring these things up, though, but only respond and share when others raise the issues. Then, I have no alternative but to share the truth. Or lie. I can’t do the latter... and say I love the one I’m sharing with... or Christ... or God. It doesn’t work like that, dear one. What it does is leave you... and the one you’re sharing with... in darkness.

Now, I GET it that most folks don’t WANT to hear the truth. They DON’T. They want to hear what they want to hear. Most of which is fluffy, soft, soothing... “stuff.” I leave that to religion; indeed, they are very good at that. Me, not so much. I don’t lie good... and I feel very “dirty” when I do, such that I have to go back and “make it right”, correct it... usually within seconds. So, I just don’t bother to begin with.

Do I realize that that isn’t going to endear me to many? Oh, yeah... LOLOLOL!


This is true, but are both truly listening to the SONG? Or only parts of it? I tend to listen to both the lyrics AND the melody. But your analogy would be better stated as two people THINK they are listening to the same song; however, they are sung by different artists. One is listening to the original artist, the other to a imitator. Now, the latter might like/prefer imitator’s rendition over the original, but she can’t go around claiming that the imitation IS the original. That isn’t the TRUTH.


I truly don’t doubt that you have an open mind, else I don’t think you would come here (what is shared is sometimes pretty far from... mmmmm... mainstream... “traditional”... thinking on these things). HOW open it is, though, is something you might have to consider. If it is open... but confined to this world and what it “knows”... then, while it may be somewhat open, I am not sure it is FULLY open. FULLY open... so as to transcend this world, starting with the knowledge, understanding, beliefs, tenants, requirements, desires, and yearnings for THIS world... and even the BODY of this world, the physical vessel.



Yes, indeed! I have this view and position, too! Again, I am LOVING this discussion and am VERY grateful that you are willing to have it with me... and without ridiculing, maligning, or slandering. It is VERY refreshing and I THANK you for it!

Before I go, though, I want to share the following with you:

What kind of “fire” is, say, atomic fire? Nuclear fire? And things like these? They are also fire, yes? Is it possible that the warning of old really is more concerned with the “fire” of the future (and recent past)... and given because of where man has taken fire... and will one day take it?

I ask these things for a reason. I am going to share something with you that I’ve only shared with a few up to this point. The first has to do with Daniel and his companions... and why they weren’t burned in Nebuchadnezzer’s furnace. There, the first was SO hot it killed the men OUTSIDE. But Daniel and his companions were even scorched. Why? Because a spirit being... whose “energy” exceeded that of the fire... enveloped them. Nebuchadnezzar’s fire was hot, yes, but not hot enough to burn this spirit being. But it was Daniel and company’s SPIRITS that Nebuchadnezzar was TRYING to burn. The same thing with Hitler (it really wasn’t his own idea, but “given” to him by Israel’s Adversary... who, I have shared on occasion... isn’t ALL that bright, not always).

Why am I sharing this? Because of the “four winds” that eventually get unleashed: what that is... and what it causes. Although I cannot tell you (yet) how or when... or from where... (and I do now both how and from where), I can tell you that it is of “atomic/nuclear” (or worse, but that’s the frame of reference I have right now) proportions... that “wind”... which results in great... great... “fire”... and devastation. A “tribulation” that has not occurred before nor will ever occur again. Four of such “fires.” Are they of the chemical “fire” you mentioned? Oh no. They are SO much more than that.

Yet, there are those who come out of that tribulation. How? In the same way that Daniel and his companions survived their attempted “holocaust” – protection by an even greater energy source.

Given the amount of energy... “fire”... that will be involved... my understanding is that the MOST Holy One of Israel considers burning a body a kind of... well, blasphemy against holy spirit... because it is utter disregard for the vessel that holds life... as well as the life within that vessel. It's PURPOSE is to destroy both the body AND the spirit (soul)! Does it destroy the spirit? My understanding is that it does... except perhaps that which is concealed in a milk tooth or bone. If that tooth or bone has been completely pulverized, though... what spirit... life... is left?

And so maybe THAT’S why it’s anathema to Him? Anyone here is more than welcome to ask for themselves. But I would caution you... in the loving spirit that Priscilla and Aquila showed Apollos... to make sure you want to hear the TRUTH... and not just that which is “comforting” to you. Because those who prefer the latter are often like those disciples who left off following our Lord when he told THEM the truth... which wasn’t easy for them to hear: that they would have to eat his flesh and drink his blood. That truth was a stumbling block for them. Indeed, a lot of what our Lord says... and he himself... is a stumbling block... to many.

Again, peace to you, dear Puppy... and thank you for your very kind patience with me!

YOUR servant, sister, and a slave of Christ,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID

what point does the Spirit enter the body? is it at the two cell stage? the blastocyst stage? when stem cells appear? or when the organs take shape and the very first heartbeat occurs?




Oookay!!!!

Now that I can understand!!!!





Thanks for that
Love Justmom

LOZ SAID

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject:
And it is the same for man. “Life” (spirit) enters... when we give another our breath, blood... or seed.

So, if a human donates blood? Is this a giving someone of our spirit/life?

Loz x[/b]

AGUEST SAID


It is, dear Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you!). As our dear Lord said:

"No one has greater love than to give his life in behalf of his friends."

We have been taught by religion to look at this as Christ's sacrificing his physical life for us. But what, though, did he GIVE? His blood.

So that whole WTBTS melarkey about not giving blood... is yet another way they "shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men." Such a teaching leads us to SHUT the door of our tender compassions upon others. Truly, if we see one bleeding in the street... and such one only needs some of our blood to LIVE... some, not ALL... and we deny him/her that... how are we showing them love?? Leaving someone to DIE... when we have the MEANS to help them LIVE... goes against everything Christ taught when he was upon the earth.

It is simply furtherance of the angry, vindictive, spiteful, and vengeful "god" that many put their faith in... and believe is the God of the OT. THAT "god" is the one created by man... to scare and hold sway over their enemies. Christ, though, is the image of the TRUE God for US... and if he gave HIS blood, indeed, told us that we MUST drink it to LIVE... how can we teach that someone receiving blood to LIVE... is in error?

We can't. True, no one should be drinking just as sport, or a way to show their power over their enemies, to take in the power of an enemy or animal. THAT is not the purpose of blood... life... and doing so disrespects the life IN that blood.

I hope this helps, dear one, and again... peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

Oh Shelby I have no problem with it whatsoever, for a long time I hung on to the teaching that blood was too sacred to share, but that opinion has changed.

From a medicinal/scientific? POV though, this suggests that a blood transfusion is much more than simply an increase of volume or blood's physical constituents, wouldn't it?

Loz x
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CHAR SAID

This is pretty well what I have always thought.

Thank you, Shelby.

AGUEST SAID


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From a medicinal/scientific? POV though, this suggests that a blood transfusion is much more than simply an increase of volume or blood's physical constituents, wouldn't it?


SO funny you should ask that, dear Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you!), because it's what came up in MY heart, as well... and so I asked - LOLOLOL!

First, yes it is more than just that. What I received is that when one transfuses to another, one is not necessarily giving of oneself such that the recipient now receives a piece of "you" (your essense/personality)... but a portion of GOD... the Source... that is IN you (as is in ALL living things).

God is love, dear one... and so who DO so give are doing so out of love... and God... IN them. Some might ask, "But what if they're not "christians"?" We have the answer for that, though, don't we?

"Whenever people of the nations due BY NATURE the things of the Law(and love is the Law's fulfillment, so love would be a "thing" of the Law)... they are a law...UNTO THEMSELVES." Thus, the NATURE of God that is IN such ones is what compels them to give of themselves in this way.

What some don't realize is that it is ISRAEL who showed themselves to not have the Law (of love) in them, not the entire world of mankind. And so it was FOR these that the Law had to be written. But it wasn't that Israel in and of themselves were/are a special people so as to be first among those chosen; it was simply due to a promise made to Abraham... who showed HIMSELF to be God's friend when asked to do so.

I hope that helps and, again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

AGUEST SAID


Unfortunately, it is NOT what the leaders of the WTBTS teach, though, dear Char (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!). Rather, those "seat themselves in the seat of Moses"... not only calling themselves the "truth," but the "FDS"... even making themselves the "mediator" with God of most of their members.

Which is why I am sent only to those of Israel who was/is in HER... and not to others. Because I was once in her, too... and so know well what lies she foments.



You are quite welcome, dear one, but the thanks really goes to our Lord... who gave these things to me to share with you all. I am just a "tool" (LOLOLOL!)... but certainly a willing one -

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

Yes. Due to my circumstances I'm posting only from my iPhone just now, so a bit limited, but these last two posts from you made my heart sing!

Yes, the WTBTS does foment lies. Oddly enough, today I was talking to a neighbour, who without knowing what he did had helped me to free myself from the JW's ten months ago (it seems so much longer!). He walked by and we chatted, and I thanked him and told him how he'd helped me. We mused on the different paths our lives take for a while. Later, I was thinking of how the people in the WT are truly stuck and trapped. They don't realise it, yet the very gift given us all from God, that of free will, has been taken from them. They were tricked into surrendering it, as I almost did too.

And yes, my spirit feels a thrill of joy, a leap of joy, to see anew the concept of the Life given for us, the Blood shed for us by Him who gave that same Life, that same Blood for us, for our sake.

I understand now rather better about you being sent to those entrapped ( or even like me very VERY nearly entrapped) within the Watchtower.)

Basically, Shelby, Wow!

LOZ SAID

I want to repeat the 'WOW' and my head and heart are buzzing with so much to say, but it will take time for me to ponder and put things into words...

Something though that has really 'hit' me I'll share, and hope that I can express the import of it...when you see a dead body, up close, especially for me when it's been someone I've known....well, how do I put this lol? There is nothing, just nothing, in that body. It's astounded me in the past. That a living breathing person stops, and stops being 'there'. I would describe it that the life force has gone, the breath of God has left, the spirit has departed....and tonight I can see that so clearly what I feel, what I mean...and why.

I hope that makes sense to some?
Loz x
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JUSTMOM SAID


Well Loz.....maybe except for jus....aweeeeee...little bit.....of life/spirit in that vessel that is in the....bones!

But not enough to say "Boo!" lol
just had that thought
Justmom

AGUEST SAID

(Smile) Your responses, dear Char and Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you, both!)... make me want to cry. NOT tears of despair... but tears of joy... exultation... and, yes, "exhaustion"! I know you will understand what I mean (the greatest of love and peace to you, both!).

I am not sent to those who belong to Christ who might be in "some other" pen, because I don't know the teachings of the "hired men" of those pens. I WELL know the teachings of the "hired men" (GB) of THIS pen... "woman"... though. Well, enough to share what I receive from our dear Lord with such ones. He has not sent me to others, but that does NOT mean there aren't others... elsewhere.

I am NOT trying to make myself "something". I think you all know that. I really AM a servant - NOT because I am "special" or more "worthy" - I truly am NEITHER. But because I love the One who set ME free... me, foremost sinner that I am... and that One loves you... ALL of you, truly. How can I then NOT share with YOU what he gives to ME? Love says I must. It does not require that I know you in the flesh... but only in spirit.

I KNOW you understand (even you, dear HP, OUTLAW, and Glad - peace to you, ALL!).

You dear folks are why I [keep] put(ting) myself out there: the HOLY One of Israel (and thus, the MOST Holy One of Israel) LOVES you! And because THEY do... I do.

And so, I would NOT lie to you... as to what I receive from our Lord. I have to account to HIM, dear ones. I well know this - it is NOT lost on me!

And my heart rejoices... each time... YOU... hear HIM... as to the truth of what I share with you! You did not hear it from ME. Don't let yourselves believe that! We, all of us, are only TOOLS... that he uses to REMIND one another of what we already KNOW... or hear... from HIM.

May the undeserved kindness and mercy of OUR heavenly Father, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and the love and peace of HIS Son and Christ, our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) be upon you ALL... and upon your ENTIRE households... 'til time indefinite...

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA