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 Post subject: Abe, Isaac and abortions
PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:00 pm 
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PSACRAMENTO SAID

Shelby posted this on the other forum and it got me to thinking:

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Again, I am NOT anti-abortion/pro-choice. I have no opinion one way or the other. I just find it curious that you think asking one man to ALMOST put to death his son... close to 6,000 years ago... is "evil"... in comparison to the many, many sons... and daughters... that are ACTUALLY sacrificed today... without anyone even asking their fathers... or mothers... to do so, today.

I just don't get the whole "judging" thing, here. I mean, seems just a tad bit skewed, IMHO. Me? I don't judge those who kill their children today... nor a man (or his God)... who may have almost killed his son more than 5,000 years ago. Just seems so... hypocritical, IMHO... to do so, take offense over something that occurred so long ago... and involved three or less persons... and no one actually died (heck, no one was even harmed)... yet, take no offense over something occurring TODAY... involving MILLIONS of people... and a good many of them actually dying (well, never being born - a sacrifice, either way).



Honestly, I never really though of it that way but there is just something that makes sense there, no?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:01 pm 
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TEC SAID

Totally, Paul. There is something there.

It is just what is considered acceptable... which is a tradition/culture thing that could change in another decade.

It is a 'blind' thing, imo. Culture, tradition, societal norms, what we WANT to believe... these can blind us to truth.

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JUSTMOM SAID

YES Paul!!!!!!!

I hear Ya!!!

Love Justmom
(it's like swallowing the camel and gagging down the gnat)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:02 pm 
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Here's the thing, dear P (the greatest of love and peace to you, my dear brother... and forgive my passion here, but): we... man... WANT to look for ways to attribute UNrighteousness to God... while excusing our OWN unrighteousness.

Why?? Because WE are unrighteous... and so we look for ourselves in God! Even even many who profess to be "believers"! That is what the whole "Youre gonna burn in Hell," "God's gonna punish you!", "He killed Adham/Eve for eating from the Tree!" thing is all about: man sees in GOD... what is in MAN.

But the way GOD sees is NOT the way MAN sees. To see how GOD sees... man must look to CHRIST. Indeed, to SEE God... if man would truly SEE God... he would look the Christ, the image OF God. And in doing so they would SEE... what God did... and didn't do... regardless of what's "recorded"... and WHY. Because they would see what CHRIST would do/wouldn't do. And the MOST Holy One of Israel would never had LET Abraham kill Isaac... because it would have been an UNrighteous act to do so!

On the other hand, killing the firstborn of Pharaoh was a RIGHTEOUS act.. because Pharaoh... was WARNED. Repeatedly, and initially kindly and patiently. But finally, severely. And STILL he would not show HIMSELF merciful... to Israel and its sons. Why? Because... Pharaoh thought himself a god! And from a man's POV, especially one who views himself a god... there is NO mercy. Because, as we can see, man, for the most part, is NOT merciful!

And so, the "god" Pharaoh did not show mercy to JAH (by not showing it to His people - think Saul of Tarsus "persecuting" Christ!)... so no mercy was shown to HIM, or by connection, his. Pharaoh and HIS "house" received no mercy... because he didn't WANT any mercy. From his POV... "gods" weren't merciFUL.

If he had shown Israel mercy, however, HE would have SHOWN mercy. Because to the extent he did it to the least one of Israel... he did it to JAH.

Again, pardon my passion... but it blows my MIND how we (man) can "see" all KINDS of bad in the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... but not in himself.

Earthling man...

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:02 pm 
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PSACRAMENTO SAID

We shouldn't be that surprised Shelby, I mean after someone commits a horrific crime like shooting those school kids what do people do?
Focus on HOW he did it and not why because they WHY points to US and the HOW points to "them" or "it".


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Absolutely, my dear brother (the greatest of love and peace to you!). Absolulely!

Peace to you!

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