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Well, almost (peace to you, all!).

They're doing it again. Covering their very naked hineys. Today, dear Hubby came home with a "gift" - a so new it still had the shrink wrap on it... gray and silver NWT. I was like, "Meh," but he was eager to open it. I told him that I was "afraid" of it and he asked why. My response was because I KNEW there were changes in it... which I was unfamiliar with... and I was not sure I would be able to dispute what they were NOW saying... unless I read it... and, no, I have NO intention of reading it... because I KNOW they are trying to cover their butts... and I am AFRAID of how they're doing that: with SOME truth! Which truth they have STOLEN and will use to FURTHER mislead ("See? We DO have/are the truth!"). I told him that HE would need to go through it and find the changes - that I just didn't have the stomach for it.

And so he started... and within, say, less than an hour, gave an "Oh my GAWD."

Sigh. I wasn't even sure I wanted to know... but somehow I knew I HAD to know. Because I needed to know just HOW they are covering their hineys. And here is what he shared with me, from the rear endflaps, page 1735. And I QUOTE:



Wait. This is an organization that calls itself "the TRUTH." Yet, they're willing to ACCEPT a lie... because it's POPULAR??!!

Wait. Let me call down. I KNOW they're willing to accept... and even foment... lies. THEY are a lie and NOT the truth. But still... it made me sick. That folks who CLAIM to be sons of God don't even have an issue with the IMPROPER spelling and pronunciation of OWN their "father's" name!

But my Lord just now reminded me: the woman to whom the child did NOT belong didn't CARE when Solomon offered to cut it in half! It was the TRUE mother who cared!

And it is the TRUE sons who would care that their Father's name is being misused and abuse by imposters. But... wait: they are imposter, aren't they... and so... COULDN'T use the TRUE name... if they WANTED to! They can ACKNOWLEDGE that the name EXISTS... but it is ONLY by holy spirit that they could UTTER it! As with our dear Lord's true name!

Okay, okay... I'm okay, now. But man oh man... I was incensed... to the point of feeling sick! I mean, they KNOW the name they use is WRONG! They KNOW the true name! Yet, they DISMISS it... for a more POPULAR moniker! How DARE they!

No... wait... I should be glad, shouldn't I? That they can't sully up the REAL name as they have the one they use!

Man... what a ROLLERCOASTER of emotions this raised in me!

Sick to my stomach (because I know "they" KNOW the true name but won't teach or allow others to USE it!)... yet, overjoyed and rejoicing (that they DON'T use the true name!).

Oh, but WAIT! This should help those of YOU dear ones... who were having some... ummmm... concerns about the TRUE name of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAHVEH ("JAH, Who Breathes Armies (of spirits) Into Existence/Whose Breath Causes Armies (of spirits) to Come Forth"... "Whose Breath Causes Spirits to Be")... and thus, the TRUE name of the One who comes IN the name of JAH (God): JAHeShua... the "Salvation of JAH" (JAH Saves)!

So, I am overjoyed, again! LOLOLOL!

Just so you dear ones know what I'm speaking of, here's a pic of the comment:



Oh, God: a whole NEW generation of folks to be fooled and misled.

I feel sick again.

Peace.

A slave of Christ, who wishes folks would WAKE UP to this melarkey... HEAR the call and get OUT of her...

Shellamar

Yes. YES!!!

Well, actually, "JaHVeH," as the yodh is a "j", not a "y". But, given the choice between "Jehovah" (shudder!) and "Yahveh"... "Yahveh" is close enough and so good enough for me! At least it SOUNDS "right"!

PRAISE JAH! Let every living thing... EVERY... LIVING... BREATHING... thing... let it praise JAH... whose breath causes ARMIES of spirits to become/come into existence!

Praise JAH... you people!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and all those who go with... and slave of the Christ, the SON of JAHVEH... the One who came and will come AGAIN... in the NAME of JAH... the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit... JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah),

Shellamar

Hey Shelby..

I remember reading about why Franz put the name Jehovah in the NWT..
He knew the name was wrong but said it was the most popular..
So this is just a repeat of what was said decades ago..

The WBT$ is a Business and Jehovah is their "Brand" Name for their JW Cult..
The WBT$ sells ..

................................Jehovah..
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Jehovahs Witnesses Worship WBT$ Sandwich Meat..

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YES!

They KNOW BETTER and it has been right under their noses all along " Jah"....

Yet they prefer a different God whose name is Jehovah and have the nerve to call themselves " the truth". Lies, lies, lies and blasphemy.

But it still confirms the reason why our father JAHVEH won't allow them to see it, because of what they would do to it in his name.

Grey is a perfect color for their new Bible. Black or white is like " hot or cold" but because it's "Grey" its "lukewarm" and being grey/lukewarm you get vomited out! LOLOL!!!! Maybe that explains why you were so sick to your stomach LOLOLOL!!!

Your sister and fellow servant of the most holy one of Israel JAHVEH and his son Jaheshua as well,
Peace be with you, Kim

It is so hypocritical, the things that are allowed even though they are known to be wrong verses the things that are not allowed because they are known to be wrong.


I understand how you feel though... the sick to your stomach feeling. I get the same feeling when I see them correct something with new light, and that new light has some truth (not all truth, but with enough truth to keep people IN, or discredit the actual truth to people who are OUT and who want nothing to do with anything even resembling 'wts' teachings). I understand that they also just rewrite their history according to what they can no longer deny as being true. Then there is what they steal from others who have received truth from the Spirit of Christ (the Spirit who is not with them), and claim that truth as their own, as food that they dispensed.

It is the stealing, and how that will fool people into staying (or returning), that has incensed me.



But Christ is calling His people OUT. He knows His sheep, and they know and will follow His voice. We must do the work He has given us, and simply put our faith in Him.


Peace to you,
Your servant and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

YES!!! I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about the name Jehovah. I even pointed it out to an elder. Nice fellow. Didn't get it.

There's many other changes. Some, like John 17:3, read similar to the Bibles of "Christendom" now.
Others water things down. I was pretty upset when I found this the other day:

Matt 10:32:
New: Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before me, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens.
Old: Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens.

Acknowledges me? Instead of confesses union with? True, acknowledge is a definition of the Greek word, but the phrasing really seems to water this down.

Another one:

1 Pet 5:2
New: Shepherd the flock of God under your care, serving as overseers, not under compulsion, but willingly before God; not for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly;
Old: Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care, not under compulsion, but willingly before God; not for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly;

"Under" vs. "in" (in is correct). Notice the addition of "serving as overseers"? Interestingly, this is not in the Greek in the Kingdom Interlinear, but if you look it up on biblehub.com, there is "episkopountes" (exercising oversight). This particular addition is debatable as some manuscripts have it, and some do not. Westcott and Hort 1881 does not, but Westcott and Hort / [NA27 Variants] does, for example, but in brackets. Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550 does. Apparently, the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus texts do not include this word, but some others, such as the Majority, do. Whether it belongs or not is somewhat debated.

I'm sure there are other changes. For the most part, it brings the NWT into a little more modern English, easier to read and understand. It does emphasize the need to compare translations and go back to the original languages as much as possible whenever a question arises.

I almost have (another) headache THINKING about that rag (mornin' and peace to you, all!)! Dear 'Mom (peace to you, girl!)... OKAAAYYYYYY?? Gray is the PERFECT color for it!

Just like they used their little black Bible to offset the errors... and false teachings fomented by such errors... of that GREEN Bible... and mislead an ENTIRE generation of people (well, a couple of generations, actually)... NOW they have a gray one to take over from the black one! Just like most never saw... or soon forgot the LIES in the green one... many who follow her will never see... or soon forget... the lies in the black one. Problem is... the NEW lies, as our dear LQ (peace to you, as well!) pointed out!

Dear hubby asked me this morning, "You gonna finish looking through this?" and I said, "I'm not gonna look through it at ALL!" Although that is true for now, I realize I may have to eat those words at some point, of course... should someone try to debate a scripture/verse using the new one ("That's NOT what the NWT says!"). Of course, that might not be what it says... NOW. Hopefully, I won't have to even read it to show the lie (maybe I can just rely on dear Hubby, dear LQ, and you dear folks to post quotes! LOLOL!).

Regardless... there is still the wonderful NWT REFERENCE Bible! THAT one has the Hebrew, Greek, and LITERAL translations/transliterations in the footnotes, etc. Not that it's a perfect version, but it is THE best for showing THEIR error(s)! And since it IS theirs... and truth IS truth... it shows how they CHANGE the truth (to support their false doctrines)! For that reason alone, it's a "wonderful" Bible version!

Anyway...

Yeah, I gotta get my stomach together. It's almost unfathomable that folks who CALL themselves the "truth" are SO totally fine with lies! ALMOST unfathomable. Since the claim [to be the truth] is false itself... then to have no problem with... indeed, apparently LOVE lies... makes absolute sense!

Sorry, dear ones - as you can see, this one just blew me away! Shouldn't have, maybe... but did. See, they USED to say, "Yeah, we know 'Jehovah' isn't the ACCURATE name, but no one KNOWS the REAL name... and this is the closest we can get!"... or some melarkey like that. NOW they will say, "Oh, yeah, WE know God's real name... BUT..." Doesn't matter what the "but" is; they will feel perfectly fine that they ALSO know it ("You people aren't the ONLY ones, you know!").

And so those who love them will feel perfectly fine and justified in dismissing the name of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, the SOVEREIGN of the Universe... JAH... of Armies (Veh). What arrogance. What utter... hubris.

I am just "upset"... angry... and utterly disgusted.

BUT... I am OH-TAY and I love and wish YOU all peace!

PRAISE JAH... you people!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

I suspect the main reason you are upset, and why JWs get criticized for using the name "Jehovah" is because they claim to (a) restore God's name to its rightful place over 7,000 times (yet choose to not use his REAL name, so, why bother?), (b) claim to represent God himself, even taking his [English] name as part of their name, and (c) claim to have and to uphold the truth. After all, other translations use "Jehovah", but don't make such a big deal about it. There is a point to be made that if we go to the REAL name for God, then that should be applied, too, to Jeremiah, Joshua, Isaiah, etc.

I personally choose not to hold it against them to use a form of God's name. What I do hold against them is that because they make such a big deal about it, they should go ALL THE WAY and use the REAL name, popular or not. It is hypocritical not to. There are plenty of translations that use YHWH or Yahweh. There's no reason not to at least use those. And I hold against them the audacity to translate Kyrios spuriously into "Jehovah" even when there is no Hebrew verse to back it up. Sometimes Kyrios is "Lord" and referring to Christ, while other times, they took it upon themselves to use "Jehovah". Clearly, in the days when the letters in the NT were being written, many of the scriptures quoted from the OT were re-purposed and applied to Christ.

Throughout the decades, there are published articles in the WT, brochures, Aid book, etc, that say essentially what is said in the appendix of this new NWT.

Interesting fact: I just now found out that Byington's "The Bible in Living English" was published posthumously in 1972 by none other than the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I NEVER knew that. Now I understand why Byington's is included in the new JW Library app. I knew WTBTS bought the rights to publish the Emphatic Diaglott and the American Standard Version, but I was unaware of any link with Byington.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/10517180

Does Byington actually agree with the NWT?
https://archive.org/details/ByingtonAndTheNewWorldTranslation

I have yet to read it.

YES... AND... they disrespect the MOST HOLY One of Israel... BY their lies, especially this one, dear LQ (peace to you, luv!). What child would not be upset at others who disrespect their father whom they LOVE?



I don't disagree with either, BUT... when speaking of Jeremiah, et al., we're not talking about the Sovereign. And while we may also be disrespecting the others, too, yes... at least we're CLOSE as to them (i.e., those ARE the English renderings of those names - "Joshua" IS "Jaheshua", phonetically speaking). "Jehovah" is NOT the English rendering of the name of God, however. THAT would be "Yahweh," with the "w" pronounced like a "v" (the Hebrew "vav", rather than the "waw"). Like in Manishcewitz:


http://www.forvo.com/word/manischewitz/

I personally choose not to hold it against them to use a form of God's name. What I do hold against them is that because they make such a big deal about it, they should go ALL THE WAY and use the REAL name, popular or not. It is hypocritical not to.

Oh, I don't hold it against the MEMBERS - they don't know any better! Their "lord," the WTBTS, is telling them that "Jehovah" is OKAY! But the leaders/institution... and particularly those who profess to be "anointed"?! How in the WORLD can you have received holy spirit... and NOT know the name of the SOURCE? "Jehovah" doesn't grant holy spirit. Nor does "Jesus." They don't HAVE holy spirit. They don't EXIST. Which is why those who claim to have received holy spirit FROM [them]... can't tell anyone ABOUT it. OR show SOME proof/manifestation OF that spirit! It's always some vague, "Well, it's between me/them and 'God'," melarkey!

True, they may hear the CALL... and not know the name of the One CALLING them. Because he just refers to himself as "the Spirit" ("The Spirit and the Bride keep saying..."). That is WHAT he is... the HOLY (glorified) Spirit, however; not WHO he, that Spirit IS: the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA... who is the Son of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAHVEH ("JAH of Armies")... the One who came in the NAME of the Father.



YES! Keeping in mind, though, that the accurate PRONUNCIATION is not "YahWAY"... but "YahVEY".



Okkaayyyyy?? In doing this they DISRESPECT JAH... because HIS command is for us to kiss the SON. It's like ignoring Joseph, whom PHARAOH but IN POSITION. Ignore Joseph, though, and you ignore Pharaoh himself! Same thing!



YES!! Since ALL authority has been GIVEN Christ... BY JAH... then it is CHRIST we are to look at/to... because HE is the One JAH raised UP! Just as Moses raised up the copper serpent in the wilderness... so that all who were bitten by poisonous snakes looked on THAT image... the ONLY image commissioned and sanctioned BY God... would NOT die physically. ALL of mankind have been bitten by "vipers"... or poisonous SERPENTS... those bad spirits that "belong" to the Adversary. ("Offspring of vipers!"). For the SAME reason, then, we... the TRUE Israel (those who look for/seek God)... must keep OUR gaze on CHRIST... the "copper" seraph (remember, his feet, etc. are like copper/bronze??)... for the SAME reason - to keep living SPIRITUALLY! Until we are changed to the body that NEVER dies, the "white robe" of the incorruptible SPIRIT body!



As they should have been... because he is the HEIR! Once he received the kingdom, it all applied to HIM, with the exception of sovereignty of JAH Himself. Thus, as some rightly believe and Thomas stated, he is our god. He is not the MOST HIGH God, but he is OUR High Priest and so High God. Just not the HIGHEST God. That position belongs to JAH alone... until the time comes when He gives the kingdom to the Son IN FULL... at which time He becomes ALL things... in ALL... and NOT just in His Son.



We could not find it in the previous Bibles, though... and that's really the only thing (besides the WT) that most JWs read. Well, they don't really even read IT, but... let's say "peruse". Glance through. From time to time. Most times... they just rotely nod their heads to what they are TOLD it states...



I didn't know any of that, either, so thank you for that info!



I haven't either, but I know someone who might. Dear hubby is a GENIUS when it comes to the various Bible versions! He has virtually every version (yeah, I know - it's all online now, but he loves hard books - LOLOL!)... and have studied most of them quite extensively. Some even in other languages. He actually has one in German written in the 16th or 17th century! The covers are crumbling, but the innards are intact. I'm going to check with him about Byington's and the WTBTS. Also, can we trust the ASV now that they own it? Not that ANY version is to be completely trusted - I just mean, can we trust that they haven't changed THAT? Things that make you go "hmmmm..."

Goodness, I just don't understand... nahhh... yes, I do. It's not FOR them to know, not as long as they keep touching the unclean thing. Dear LQ, it's obvious you no longer touch it with your heart. May JAH give you... and ALL those of your dear household... the strength and courage... and safe passage... as you move away from touching them in EVERY sense!

May your journey OUT of "Egypt"... and through the "wilderness"... be guided... and GUARDED... at ALL times... by the TRUE "shekinah" light: the TRUE Light that is our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)!

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Thanks for the quote comparison. The more times they can remove the words "confesses" and "union" the easier it will be to lead JWs away from feeling they need to partake of our Lords body and blood. The easier it will be for them to continue placing themselves as leaders and the Savior. They continue to put themselves in a seat they do not belong in.


Your brother in CHRIST

FinalCall

This is absolutely the BEST line of reasoning? Why?

Rev 14:1: "Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads."

How could this be and then NOT use the proper names?

I am surprised you never got a Byington bible. I have one. Same height with watchtower magazne but not so wide. I love the smell of it. Good old times of letterpress on fine white paper. The criminals have stopped printing the most important book: the Bible (apart from their twisted NWT). Not even their Interlinear, to keep the dubs in ignorance.

Just a little side note:

This "lukewarm" Bible no longer contains the long conclusion of Mark 16 (verses 9-20), or the short conclusion for Mark 16. Nor does it contain the wording found at John 7:53-8:11 (regarding the woman caught in the act of adultery). Nor are these found in the footnotes or appendices. We're told to search for these in previously printed editions of the NWT.

Interesting.

--Armand

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Now that the WBT$ has gotten rid of the Bible..
Should they Change their Initials?!..
WBT$ (WatchTower,Bible and Tract Society) to... WTS (Watchtower and Tract Society)..

NO!..They get to keep the "B"!!..
They still have (Jehovah) "Baloney"..
It`s now the "Watchtower,(Jehovah) Baloney and Tract Society"..

We get to keep the "B"?!..
....Thanks OUTLAW!..


.........................................OUTLAW

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