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Well, I thought I would look it up. There is a name for it...when people are born with no eyes:

Anopthalmia


There are some pics online, and they were all of eyes being shut.


Just some fyi.


Peace,
tammy

I did not see a man with closed eyes, though, dear ones (peace!) - I saw a man with NO eyes (and now that I think of it I recently saw a parrot born like that... literally no eyes, not even lids... on a Jack Hanna show!),

Which would explain the question, dear LQ (peace, luv!) AND why he wasnt recognized. How can one's "eyes" BE opened if there IS no opening... and who of us would recognize someone WHI formerly had NO eyes now with eyes and opened!? If you Google "Chinese Boy Born With No Eyes" you might see what I mean. Unfortunately... or fortunately, however you wanna look at it, we dont see much of this in the WESTERN world. But there are a LOT of deformities in the non-western world even today. And we're talking close to 2,000 years with THIS incidence!

I hope this helps and yeah I did intend that last pun - LOLOL!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

I guess that little boy looks like someone being born with eyelids sealed shut (and no eyeballs underneath)... rather than simply no eyes at all... because we are (or at least I think I am) PUTTING eyes underneath the skin. As in: my mind is 'filling in the blanks'... with what my mind thinks should be there.


Does what I just said make any sense at all to anyone other than me, lol?


Hmm... do you remember that scene from the matrix where Keanu Reeves does not have a mouth?. Not just a mouth that has been sealed shut, but no mouth at all. Would that be an apt analogy for what you saw, except eyes instead of mouth? (making allowance for the imperfect special effects of course)

I do hear you though, Shelby. No eyes at all. I can totally understand how people would have a hard time recognizing a person THAT changed (and eyes where there were none before is a huge change).


Peace,
tammy

Wow. Just wow. Either you are whacko, Shelby, or you really do have a direct line to our Lord. (I tend to think of the latter... I mean, who could make this stuff up?!?) I mean this in a teasing sort of way... LOL! <smile> <wink>

Seriously, I have learned more here in the past few months than almost 40 in as a JW.

Thanks to you for sharing, and to our Lord for revealing it to you!

~LQ

Lol at LQ!

Okay, so you mean the man actually had no eye sockets at all - just smoothed-over skin in that area? It gets wilder all the time. But I guess we shouldn't be surprised, as if there was anything he couldn't do, if we're going to believe that a whole body will be resurrected.

I did not see eyelids at all, dear tec (peace to you, luv!)... sealed or otherwise, but something like this (although on a much older person):




When I read the article about this child (or a similar child, but I think it was him), it didn't say he had sealed lids but that he only had skin "over" where his eyes SHOULD have been. I think this similarity is why folks wanted to know "HOW" our dear Lord "opened" the man's eyes. Meaning, how... without, like, a scalpel/surgery!

And remember, dear At (peace to you, too, dear lady!): the Father said "Let US make man..." and our dear Lord said of himself, as Wisdom personified... that he became a "master worker" alongSIDE the Father. If the Father can create an entire human body from dust... or dust and a rib... it doesn't surprise me that Christ could make some eyes from dust. Clay, actually (I thought I saw mud, but the dirt was actually clay).

I hope this helps... and I AM your servant, dear, dear LQ (peace to you, dear one!)... so all I am doing is what I should be doing. I received free... so I am sharing (for) free.

Peace to you all!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Yes sis and thank you. This picture is a good example of why our dear Lord had to use dirt to FORM the eye in the blind man and then to infuse life by his saliva into the eye.

Interesting stuff, wonderful stuff!
Love to you all,
Justmom

Yes, that's what I thought of when you said there was no opening there; I had this silly thought of the Lord poking two holes in there first. heehee (Kinda like three stooges meets Pillsbury dough boy)

I was looking this up in the Greek interlinear and sometimes it said eyes opened and sometimes it said gained sight; I guess that's different words in the Greek but I don't really know - they look different, that's all I know.

But since I read that, now I have MORE questions. In verse 11, where the translation is "gained sight", under the Greek word, it says "I saw AGAIN". And again in verse 15, it says 'how he saw AGAIN'. So my obvious question is since he was blind from birth, why use the word 'again'?

Also an interesting thing I read, also verse 11: Answered that one The man the one being said Jesus clay made and he anointed upon of me the eyes.

I also wondered was this painless? And if there is anesthetic in the saliva?

I don't know why I am fascinated and in awe of this; I believe he can do these things, but these vivid details like this just make it real.

LOLOLOL! No, that's not quite what I saw, dear At (peace, luv!). I saw my Lord pick up some "dirt", spit on it (in his hand), dip his fingers into it, and smear it on the man's face (which had no eyes - I did not see "lids", as in "closed" although blind eyes). I then understood what was taking place... my Lord was "forming" eyes for the man... because I saw the formation "from the dust" of Adham. I did not see the man "open" his eyes; I only saw him WITH eyes afterward. And that is what made me realize he had NO eyes before, versus he had some but they didn't work and his lids were closed over them.

And learning THAT... helped ME learn even more... as I will share with you now.



Yeah, that might depend on who later "interpreted" or transliterated the writing, dear one. Or who transliterated the verse, AND... and THEN who (later) "interpreted" it! And... what such ones either thought... or wanted readers to think! LOLOLOL! But for the simplest of circumstances, our dear Lord just gave me an example to share that might help you/those who don't quite understand: where one might interpret the Greek word katecheo at Luke 1:4 as "taught" or "instructed"... the TRUE meaning is "learned of." Wait. ORALLY learned of. As in, someone TOLD someone. And so, "learned OF" as in one "came to know [of] because someone TOLD them." Unfortunately, the word has been mistransliterated in OTHER languages (Latin, English, etc.) and so misinterpreted to mean "taught" or "instructed." With a more formal denotation (like, in a class or via some purposeful instructional process). But it only means that someone told someone (Theophilus) of the things Luke was now writing out IN ORDER for him.

Can you see how that could occur? How where one may have learned OF something orally, the absence/oversight of the "of"... OR the mistransliteration/misinterpretation of the word katecheo COULD be make the word misrendered as "taught"... or "instructed"?

And this is the case... in virtually EVERY case... where someone who took it upon himself/herself to interpret what was written about the account didn't understand THEMSELVES what actually occurred. RATHER than let Christ, the Holy Spirit, TELL and LEAD them (into ALL truth, including the truth about the event). In such instance, they WILL misinterpret (because interpretation does not BELONG to them)... and so misstate a thing... and so misteach a thing. And... others are then MISled.

That's why it's important... IMPERATIVE... for US to remember that interpretations BELONG to JAH. They are NOT ours, they can NEVER be ours... they are HIS... and so the glory must ALWAYS go Him when one IS given accurate understanding. And one glorifies Him... by doing what HE said... and glorifying ("kissing") the Son. Always and in every instant. Otherwise, one is either only leaning upon their OWN understanding... and you get what you described above: something stated two (or more) different ways, one or more of which appear to confuse the matter, if not outright contradict Christ himself... or one is taking the glory for himself/herself. Which is, if they DID receive from Christ, the Holy Spirit... blasphemy. The same as stating that something they did NOT receive from that One came from him (i.e., false prophesying).



Like English, different letters/symbols can make a word mean different tenses, etc., or even an entirely different thing...



Again, I had to ask... and what I learned from my Lord is sublime. First, he said that it's a misunderstanding based on the (erroneous) use of the Greek word anavlέpo, which means "recover" (as in previously lost) sight, which word was, apparently, "used somewhat loosely" in this case. (See Thayer's: http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/ ... G308&t=KJV). In MOST instances, however, the word was used to denote the RECEIPT of sight. The thing is, it never occurred to those who did the transliteration that some who could NEVER see (due to having no eyes) could EVER see. So... from THEIR perspective, the account COULDN'T have been talking about someone who, from their POV, could NEVER see... but HAD to have been talking about someone who had LOST their ability to see and had it restored... or could have it restored (because they had eyes, just those that could not see).

One thing that helped them come to this (erroneous) conclusion is OUR sight... those of us who HAVE physical eyes. Christ promised to restore sight to the blind. They take this to mean that since we HAVE physical eyes, we just can't SEE spiritual things (anymore).

What they don't understand... what I didn't know but have just learned (and learned that this is why we are being given the truth as to the man's lack of eyes) is that we NEVER could see... spiritually... unless and until we are GIVEN eyes TO see. Which is the SAME... as with ears to HEAR!

My Lord directed me to re-read Psalm 40:6, rendered by many Bible versions as:

In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted,
but you have given me an open ear."

The words, "given me an open ear," also rendered as "my ears you have opened," is LITERALLY translated as "excavated" or "dug out"... ears. So, just as he showed me the man with no eyes, he THEN showed me a SPIRIT body... that had no ears... and JAH then FORMING those ears. That is why, dear one, I am often directed to state, "Let those who HAVE ears to hear..." and "May you be GIVEN ears to hear"... and things like that. Some take issue with how I "speak" when I share these things, but I have shared many times that I share it just as he gives it to me. I did not understand, until this matter (the man being given eyes), though, that when our dear Lord stated that (Psalm 40:6 - yes, that was him speaking, not David!)... he wasn't saying he HAD ears but such were stopped up, so, please Father, open them, but that the Father GAVE him ears... dug out/excavated them in his body... so that he COULD hear!

And so then I heard, as to the man without eyes, "His 'form' had not been completed, child, before he was sent into the world, so that the Father could FINISH him... THROUGH me." I thought... "Wow." Just... wow.

Of course, I HAD to ask whether that meant that ALL who come into the world with unfinished forms... or DE-formity... do so for the same reason? My Lord's response was, no, that is not the case. It was the case with THAT man... as well as some (many) of those he healed: they carried sin in THEIR flesh, which sin HE was sent... to "take away." And he did so, taking it to the grave in HIS body.



Yes, but in a physical sense, to "anoint" simply means to put something "upon" or "on" someone... usually in a pouring or spreading fashion. It means the same in a spiritual sense, as to "pouring." God's spirit... or blood... is poured out from WITHIN Christ... and UPON those he chooses.



Per my Lord... there was no pain at all (and even had there been, the very BLESSING of what the man received would have overshadowed/compensated for it!). But he said there was none... and then reminded me of what he said through Solomon:

"The blessings of JAH makes one rich, and He adds no pain with it." Proverbs 10:22

I am sure the man believed he had received a blessing! We certainly do, yes? No pain, though, whether technically or literally, comes with a blessing from JAH. Even where one undergoes physical pain for the sake of JAH and/or Christ, such pain is tempered by the rejoicing that comes with knowing one is being persecuted FOR the Christ. Remember the Prophets, the Apostles, Stephen, Paul, etc. ALL considered it a blessing to suffer in a LITERAL way for the Christ.

BUT... and I am going to share this because I think you dear ones might find it interesting. I won't say what I "saw"... because I am still trying to come to grips with it myself... but think of JAH's energy... and think "laser beam." I CANNOT say that that is what I saw - I really cannot say WHAT I saw; I truly do not know. What I DO recall, though, is remembering that they are not in our PAST... but in our FUTURE. Which is why/how TRUE prophecy can be: the one issuing it already KNOWS what will occur... and usually that's because it has ALREADY occurred (in such Ones' past).

I know that might sound confusing, but I can only describe it like... well, picture two trains traveling on parallel tracks. One travelling much faster than the other and so crossing territory long before the other... but able to somehow send information BACK to the other as to what it WILL encounter in its route. That ability is ENHANCED, however, because although those on the one train have already traveled over the tracks that the other must still cover, but see what those on that train DO at intervals... and send information back BEFORE that. I don't know if I'm painting a good picture... but it's like that: they KNOW what we will do/what will occur in this world... because it has already occurred. OUR real time is their past. Their real time is OUR future.



Because it's all fascinating and aweSOME?? LOLOLOL! I mean, I think so!



Yes, they do... and SEEING them, even more! For that reason, I EXHORT and IMPLORE you ALL: ASK for the holy spirit that gives us eyes and ears! Just remember, your asking must be for a "righteous" purpose: NOT personal gain... but for the building up of the Body! To give praise, honor, and glory to the MOST High God and MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and HOLY Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One OF JAH (MischaJah). ANY other reason is folly - it won't be granted. Because there is NO OTHER reason for us to HAVE ears and eyes at this time... except perhaps to mislead others. It won't be given if that is the underlying intent.

And so, one must cleanse the INSIDE of the cup, the physical body. Because nothing is hidden from them, even though we currently reside in flesh that hides what's inside from other HUMANS and spirits. We can fool ourselves and THINK we only want it for an righteous purpose... but they will know if that's true or not.

If, though, LOVE is the SOLE motive... love for JAH and Christ... such that one wants to do THEIR will... and not one's own... including telling folks about THEM... the TRUTH about them... for THEIR glory and honor... and not because one wants to be "somebody" or "something"... or have others think they are... then it MUST be granted. It would be UNrighteous for the MOST HOLY One of Israel to withhold it! Because... HE made a promise. And HE... cannot, does not... lie.

I hope this helps, dear, dear At! Truly!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Wow...

This is too wonderful for words right now; I only have a few sniffles.

Thank you Lord for giving this to Shelby to share with us.

Yes, I can agree with that Ataloa. Wondrous truths indeed.

Loz x

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Thus His father was glorified! Wow is right!

Loz x

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Mornin' and peace to you all! Sick after all so won't be on much today but I must add to what I shared previously as well as have been directed to share more: the motive behind wanting ears and eyes is love of JAH and Christ FIRST... AND love of TRUTH... AND love for one's neighbor "AS oneself."

ALL of these MUST be the underlying motivation FOR asking in the first place. So that we can glorify and WORSHIP the Father... in spirit in and THROUGH [the] Truth... AND because if WE want to know and receive these things and for FREE... we should want the same for others! And for FREE... just as WE receive it. To hide it from them, sell it to them, change it when/before giving it to them... or giving them our OWN understanding/interpretation... VIOLATES the command, "ALL things you want men to do to YOU, YOU must do to THEM."

None of us want to be lied to or misled EVER again, particularly as to these things. And none of us want to have to PAY for them, whether directly... or through false pretenses (often called "donations" or "contributions"). The MOST HOLY One of Israel does need "Caesar's things!" And any "donations" are for widows and orphans - we CANNOT take what is THEIRS... by God's OWN decree... and use it for ourselves - either personally OR to "support" our work!

We can accept others' HOSPITALITY, which might include a meal or place to stay for a short while... but we CANNOT solicit, ask for, or accept their money. EVEN if they have it to give. If they DO, then it should go to the poor among us who are widowed or fatherless. To KEEP it FOR ANY OTHER REASON... could literally be blasphemy (if one is claiming it is for/has ANYTHING to do with [furthering] their work for God)! We RECEIVE free (IF we truly receive from Christ and not all who claim to DO!)... and so we must GIVE (what we receive, IF we receive from Christ) free!

And as you all may be learning, HE says what he means and means what he says... and free MEANS FREE! Not kinda sorta free! And if one is trusting in HIM... and doing HIS work... one does not NEED money from others! JAH will FEED and CLOTHE such one (so no need to be "anxious" about that)... Christ didnt have anywhere to lay HIS head (and so homelessness CAN be a part of one's "torture" pole)... and the disciples were told either to NOT "secure a purse" for themselves (in which cases JAH would provide FOR them, perhaps through others)... or to do so (from their OWN resources).

But he NEVER took from widows and orphans to support HIS work... nor did he EVER tell his disciples to do so. Rather, like HIM, they were to rely SOLELY on the Father, having FAITH that HE would provide. Always!

And this is one way one can tell that the spirit of the MOST HOLY One of Israel is NOT with someone who claims to receive from Christ - asking/soliciting for money... whether directly or indirectly. Such ones not only overstep Christ's command, but do not get the SENSE of what he MEANT when he said "There is MORE 'happiness'... in GIVING... than in RECEIVING.

In asking for such spirit, then, and the eyes and ears that it grants, one should COUNT THE COST... FIRST! Ask oneself, "Can I take on the work I might be given with what I receive from JAH and His help... all through Christ... ALONE... or will I have to depend on the resources of other (men)?" If the answer is the first, then one SHOULD ask. If the answer is the latter, then one should ask for faith to do the first... FIRST. If we are thinking WE are "something," though, then that might be difficult to do.

MOTIVE... is EVERYTHING... with God and Christ, dear ones. And while we may be able to hide ours from others... even hide it from OURSELVES... we CANNOT hide it from THEM. Because the " two-edged" sword that comes OUT of Christ, God's ONLY Word... which "sword" is TRUTH... will uncover it. It will DIVIDE the truth from the lie and the lie from the truth... EVEN IF IT'S DEEP IN US. So deep, even WE don't know it's there! To the bone and its marrow... or the SPIRIT.

Which is why we are given the opportunity to cleanse the inside of our "cups"... OURSELVES. So that our "dirt" is NOT exposed before men. But one must first ACKNOWLEDGE that there IS "dirt"... and not just generally, as MANY teach ("Forgive me, Lord; I am a sinner")... but SPECIFICALLY ("Forgive me, Lord; I am a sinner... and I have sinned in that I... Please wash me of this error!").

But not just the "easy" sins ("I yelled at my dog!"). No... even the darkest ones. Because there is NOTHING hidden that will NOT be revealed! And so we might THINK we've addressed and asked for forgivness for our "worse" sin(s)... only to on day have them pulled out of their hiding place and revealed FOR us... before God AND ALL CREATION.

There is NO FEAR, though, in trying to cleanse inside. No reason to dred approach... IF one is approaching THROUGH Christ. Because as Christ himself SHOWED... the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... IS merciful! And so long as one DOES go THROUGH Christ, the Door, the HOLY... and not try to climb up and enter by/through "some other way"/means... one WILL be granted entry to GO in... and freedom TO approach the HOLY OF HOLIES and MOST HOLY, JAH of Armies!

I, SA, have shared this, too, with you, just as I received it from my Lord, my King, my Master, and MY savior, the Son of God... he Who is the HOLY One of Israel and HOLY Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). I TRULY hope it helps any who NEED such help and that it gives them the courage, if they lack it, as well as the humility it takes TO cleanse the inside of one's cup... as well as ears to hear when the Spirit and his Bride say to YOU:

"Come! Take 'LIFE'S "water"'"... which is the holy spirit of God, He Who the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and is His breath, blood, semen, and more!... by means of which He creates, forms, gives sight, gives ears, gives LIFE... and is poured out from the innermost parts of His cistern... His Son... the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH... FREE!"

Servant to the Household of God, those who LOOK FOR JAH AS THEIR GOD... "JAH'isra'El" ("Y'isra'el")... and all those who go WITH... and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Good morning EVERYONE and.....

Shelby thank you my sister for sharing just as you have heard from our Lord the Holy Spirit.
Wonderful truths to ponder on even more.

With these accounts of the blind and deaf we are always to take them to the next level of not just the physical fulfillment but the spiritual fulfillment.

I have read numerous times throughout the bible in between illustrations and the Revelations the words " Let the one who has hears, listen or hear what the spirit is saying."

I appreciate this and also what you mentioned in your posts that if we do NOT have ears then we are to ask for them and it will be given. If we HAVE ears that have been given to us spiritually then we are to listen and obey what we hear.

This subject we are discussing is so wonderful as to seeing and hearing spiritually because we have gone back and forth many times with individuals that do not believe that Christ can speak to US in the way he does. If we are told constantly to " listen" and to ask for ears " TO HEAR" then of course he would HAVE TO speak!

Wonderful truth and reminder for me,
Thank you, your sister and fellow servant of Christ Justmom

i've always been in awe at God's ability
to cause coalition armies to fight one another
then the Hebrew army finally shows up
and finds only dead enemies

HOW God does it does not come to mind
but i've seen enough small incidents
escalate into madness

such as ruffian kids throwing snowballs at British soldiers
escalating to shots fired
and turning into the historic Boston Tea Party
(oft repeated by stone throwers in any modern mass demonstration
as recently as in Egypt last week)

or (1980s hockey) a forward bumping a goalie
so Dave Semenko feels obliged to retaliate
and it turns into a bench-clearing brawl,
similarly
how easy it would be to drop a rock onto an Amalekite
and have him turn around and blame a coalition soldier
resulting in their own bench-clearing brawl
and subsequent mutual annihilation of entire armies

this was explained to me
as God not being dishonest
but rather
God withholding information that could bring peace
so onlookers did see Truth
just not all of it

which then makes it valid for us
as mere humans
to employ the same withholding of the whole truth
and let our audience be left to their own presumptions

it's not lying
it's just allowing the listener's own predisposition
to fill in the blanks

lying would be if we filled in those blanks
with outright untruthful info

so leaving blanks
works well with many listeners
except
inquisitive little girls who ask very direct questions
one after another
bang bang bang bang bang
until i'm cornered

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