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AGUEST SAID



Along with what dear tec said, dear HP (peace to you both!), I would wager that what such literature itself stated might be one safety/stoppage. For example, let's take the Bible, which is supposedly "from God" (although it isn't, but let's assume that, for now). It says, at Jeremiah 8:8:

New International Version (©1984)
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

New Living Translation (©2007)
"'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?

English Standard Version (©2001)
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
" 'How can you say that you are wise and that you have the LORD's teachings? The scribes have used their pens to turn these teachings into lies.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly he made it falsely; the pen of the scribes made it a lie.

American King James Version
How do you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? See, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

American Standard Version
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of Jehovah is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes hath wrought falsely.

Douay-Rheims Bible
How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood.

Darby Bible Translation
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of Jehovah is with us? Behold, certainly the lying pen of the scribes hath made it falsehood.

English Revised Version
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes hath wrought falsely.

Webster's Bible Translation
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain he hath made it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

World English Bible
How do you say, We are wise, and the law of Yahweh is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has worked falsely.

Young's Literal Translation
How do ye say, We are wise, And the law of Jehovah is with us? Surely, lo, falsely it hath wrought, The false pen of scribes.


And it says:

New International Version (©1984)
You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

English Standard Version (©2001)
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

International Standard Version (©2008)
You examine the Scriptures carefully because you suppose that in them you have eternal life. Yet they testify about me. But you are not willing to come to me to have life.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Search the scriptures, for in them you hope that you have eternal life, and they testify concerning Me, And you are not willing to come to me that eternal life may be yours.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You study the Scriptures in detail because you think you have the source of eternal life in them. These Scriptures testify on my behalf. Yet, you don't want to come to me to get [eternal] life.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
[You] Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And you will not come to me, that you might have life.

American King James Version
Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And you will not come to me, that you might have life.

American Standard Version
Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; and ye will not come to me, that ye may have life.

Douay-Rheims Bible
[You] Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that give testimony of me. And you will not come to me that you may have life.

Darby Bible Translation
Ye search the scriptures, for ye think that in them ye have life eternal, and they it is which bear witness concerning me; and ye will not come to me that ye might have life.

English Revised Version
Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; and ye will not come to me, that ye may have life.

Webster's Bible Translation
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye may have life.

Weymouth New Testament
"You search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those Scriptures that yield testimony concerning me; and yet you are unwilling to come to me that you may have Life.

World English Bible
"You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me. Yet you will not come to me, that you may have life.

Young's Literal Translation
'Ye search the Writings, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning me; and ye do not will to come unto me, that ye may have life;

I mean, what more does one need? How about:

"I am... the Truth" (John 14:6)? Or...

"No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)? Or...

"You will know the truth and the truth will set you free. ... Therefore, if the Son sets you free you will truly be free." (John 8:32, 36)?

Or...

"The word [of God] became flesh." (John 1:14) and...

"He has a name... it is the word of God." (Revelation 19:13)


Just for starters? People see... what they want to see, dear HP. And don't what they don't want to. Same thing with hearing - folks hear what and who they want (ask any parent!)... and don't whomever they don't.

I hope this helps, dear one, and again, peace to you!
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SA

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Thank you both for the thoughtful responses

I broach the subject to create a discussion and to remind all to always question others and ourselves
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I have a Bible app on my iPhone that contains many versions of the Bible. I am curious as to the Watchtower version. I don't believe ive ever come across it at any bookstore. Is this a book that is only available through the WTS?
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TEC SAID


I thought you were, and am glad you're here to do that

Also, I do think the nwt is only available through the wts. I used to have one, but I got rid of all my old wts stuff.

Peace,
tammy

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Lol I just found the JW-bible app in the AppStore ;P
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AGUEST SAID

I was just going to tell you about that app, dear HP (peace to you!). Glad you found it!

Also, I think I got the purpose of your question, too; I hope I didn't "overdo it" with my response, though! Please, don't take me too seriously (although feel free to take what I post on these matters seriously) - I get very "all involved" some times and so it can come across a little intense. It's really cause I type almost as fast as I think and so that's what sometimes comes out, although no "tone" or "offense" intended.

If it helps, picture a small, oldish black lady saying, "See, heah's wut's all 'bout, chile! Jus' sit yo'sef down ovah theah and take a listen', now!" as she hands you, say, some cornbread - LOLOL!

Something sorta kinda maybe almost like that - LOLOL!

Peace to you!
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Su sirviente, compañera de estudios, y un esclava de Cristo,

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YPPUPLLEH SAID

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:18 am Post subject:
LoL from my experiences with lil oldish black ladies they can be pretty vicious especially if they have roots in the South .

Friendly as can be but when they turn on the stove the heat quickly burns wildfire
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AGUEST SAID


Vishus?? Lil ol' black ladies?? Lawd, chile, ya'll bin wachin' way too much Madea. 'Dat wumin ain't no tru pikchur o' us, not 'tall - jus' a par'dy 'o wut sum folks thanks blak wimmens, iz lyk. Tru, yung blak wimmens can be kin'a gangsta' (tho' Lawd no's ah don' no WUT dats all 'bout!). But not us ol' blak wimmens. Madea ain't gotz da grase o' mos' blak wimmens ah no's 'bout, chile. Naw, she be a ruff'in, IMHO. Whilst tru ya'll don wan' mess wit no ol' blak wimmens, mos' us blak ladees IZ ladees n' not ruff'ins. Wyle we willz tell ya'll off 'n put'chall in yo' plas fum tyme t'tyme, we don' tend t' go t'jail... o' cus much... nah, we dont.

Troof is, we ain't vishus, chile, jus' reel iz all. Ah no's ya'll unnerstans 'dat.

Peese!

Yo sirvint 'n a slav o' de Lawd,

Shebbie

JUSTMOM SAID



Hello HP
Sorry I overlooked your question...
I have never been a star trek lover but......yes sorta yes! Sounds a little strange but like that. They were "changed" from physical to spiritual beings inside the ark and returned to the physical when they got off.
Just like what has been mentioned repeatedly, adam and eve were spirit beings/bodies inside the garden of eden and put on the physical being/body everytine they went out of the gardenof eden to the ground that adam was made from "dust"

Love justmom

AGUEST SAID

Is it possible the same thing occurred with, say, baby Moses, dear 'Mom (the greatest of love and peace to you and yours, dear one!)? For example:

"Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. But when she could hide him no longer, she got a papyrus basket[a] for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him.

"Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the riverbank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her female slave to get it. She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said." Exodus 2:1-6 (compare with Genesis 6:14; 8:15, 16; Exodus 25:17-22)

Perhaps you can explain what you mean a little further? Thanks!

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID




Good Morning my sister and.....YES! This is another example our Lord showed me when I was reading about Noah. I asked "Is there more like this?" He showed me a picture of "baby moses" and said "you remember what you used to see in the bible story book" I said "Yes" a baby floating in an open basket being protected from the lol "aligators and pirahnas"

He told me to read it through! I saw then it said in Exodus 2:2-6 that Moses's mother made an ARK or CHEST (same as Noah) and put him inside (concealed him from the outside/physical) and when the Pharoah's daughter found him in verse 6 "She opened it and saw the child weeping"

So it was then I realized it was NEVER an open basket. It was closed and moses was concealed/protected inside. The society indicated to us that it was so short a time until he was found by the daughter of pharoah. Few minutes probably cuz of the dangerous waters he was in and all the wild animals
But it does not say. My understanding is that it could have been a "while" but it doesn't matter because if he was transferred into spirit while inside his lack of physical needs were not relevent anymore.
And then I went back to the same thing with Noah and the ARK and how all things transferred into spirit inside and then physical when they got off the ark.
Yes It was amazing and new for me to see and be shown
Praise JAH and His son JAHeshua that he cares and loves us enough to share such profound wisdom to his servants. Something the society as false prophets and teachers would NEVER give to those asking!!!
Because they don't know it themselves/hate those that say they can see and hear and if they did know...they would keep it from us

Wanted to share what I was shown by spirit
your sister in Christ justmom

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Wouldn't it be simpler if Moses was only floating for like an hour or so? I don't think wild animals would tip over a floating chest.

Or do you maybe believe that the story of Moses/Noah is an allegory and that such a person never really existed?

I could be wrong but I don't remember reading that the animals, Noah, and Moses took spiritual form while in their ark or chest.
It's an interesting concept for sure . Not saying it didnt happen but it seems to add in complexity. If the physical conversion to spiritual and back again occurred then wouldn't it be described in the Bible records as that is a fantastic and miraculous occurrence?
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AGUEST SAID

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject:
Thank you for that, my dear sister (peace to you!). The WTBTS doesn't under the meaning/significance/symbolism of an "ark", neither as to Noah, baby Moses, the Ark [of the Covenant], nor the "ark" in which "God made the heavens and earth."

The "ark" (i.e., "In the ARK", NOT "In the beginning"... "God made") is the spirit realm, the womb of the Woman, "Jerusalem Above", the free "wife" of the Most Holy One of Israel. Thus, whenever something/someone is "in" an "ark"... whether it be Noah's ark, the tiny "ark" that Moses was placed in as a baby, or the the Ark of the [New} Covenant, the significance is that the one(s) IN it are "protected"... IN SPIRIT. For some (Noah, Moses, et al.) it also resulted in protection of the flesh (Romans 9:10, 11).

The Ark of the [Old] Covenant was a physical replication of the spiritual "womb"... or place... in which the seed is "concealed". For the seed of the woman (Revelation 12:1, 17) it's a "place" where her "unborn children" are protected... until their "birth" as spirit beings (Isaiah 66:8; John 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). That place... is the spirit realm.

Such ones are granted "partial" entry now, by means of the TOKEN representing their future "birth"... holy spirit... the blood of God... which allows them to be "transferred" at God's will (Matthew 17:2; 1 Corinthians 13:12; 15:50-53; 2 Corinthians 1:2; 5:1-5; 12:2-4; Ephesians 1:13, 14; Colossians 1:13; Hebrews 11:5; Revelation 4:2; 6:9-11).

In its ignorance, due to the LACK of holy spirit (and thus, lack of knowledg - 1 Corinthians 12:8)... the WTBTS teaches that the "ark" in which Moses was placed was an open vessel... and that it was only for a short period of time. They teach this because they cannot fathom how a baby could survive in a closed vessel, let alone for any significant period of time.

Because they LACK holy spirit, they don't understand how the spirit works. For example, Christ fasted for 40 days and nights because he was able to overcome/surpass is flesh... with his spirit. This very same thing could occur for anyone who has been granted to "transcend" for whatever period of time: Noah, Moses, Jonah.

Most importantly, for our Lord... during the time he was in the grave.

I hope this helps and thank YOU for sharing what you did!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID



Hello HP

For some they may choose to believe these accounts are fictional but for me I have to faith in what I hear and see.

You mentioned as to why it is not recorded or described in the bible.

Well, my Lord shared with me it is why he spoke in illustrations. He even asked his apostles if you cannot understand illustrations, how will you understand other things?" It is sacred secrets that he was referring to. Matthew 13:3-17 &34,45 Mark4:2 12:1 Luke 8:9-10

Things spiritual that you will not necessarily see/hear in what is physically wriiten. But when you do read things recorded (and remember it has all been tampered with) my Lord reminds me to listen to the spirit of the message. That is who he is talking to... your spirit!

Hebrews 11:3
"By faith we perceive that the systems of things were put in order by God's word, so that what is BEHELD(physical) has come to be out of things that do not appear (spirit)"

So for me I try to take it to the next level lol when I read things. What is this REALLY saying/speaking to me (my spirit)
Hope this may help. Thanks for sharing
Justmom

YPPUPLLEH SAID

How did Moses' mother construct the ark/chest so as to imbue it with interdimensional powers though? If we go by the consensus between AGuest and Mom then I have to view the story of Moses and the Nile as allegory.

The Nile isn't filled with crocodiles and man eating fish to attack anything the moment they step foot it in. Wasn't the floating crib supervised from a distance as it floated into the midst of the women?
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