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 Post subject: The whole Noah thing!!!?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:48 am 
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Hello to you all today.......

I've been thinking lately "about this whole Noah and the Ark thing"....
and it led me to this..

Noah built this huge "chest" "Ark" It housed/protected/separated the chosen that obeyed and got on from the world (that was going to be desstroyed/cleansed)
The animals listened and followed the direction of spirit to gather and enter by obeying and getting on the ark also.

The Ark is like the womb of the woman that holds/protects/shields off the seed (offspring)

Could it be that the Ark represented the same thing that the garden of eden did for adam?
Adam was from the phyicical dust and placed into the garden where the tree of life is (spiritual) his true house/dwelling.

You think Noah went from the physical realm and when he entered into the "Ark" it was spiritual for the time he was held/spared/protected from the outside realm being destroyed?

Remember those in "New Jeruselum" where the tree of life is...is where those enter into the gates. Those outside are in darkness/cursed/void of life(truelife/holy spirit) Was cleansed by fire.

Just something that has been on my mind at lately.

Any thoughts are welcome!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:48 am 
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Are you accepting that the Noah sort is allegorical? Surely you can't believe in a literal world wide flood?


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Yes I do believe that the flood was literal physically.....

But I don't see now that the inside of the ark was.
The "Ark" represents the covering/protection /womb/that housed /separated from the physical realm the seed.

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Are you accepting that the Noah sort is allegorical? Surely you can't believe in a literal world wide flood?
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Well I guess it could have been real just large enough to house two of all the animals in his area

I don't think Noah had any clue as to what a Panda or Platypus looked like ;D
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Hello HP

actually even more that that! Seven each of the unclean animals for sacrifice (male and female)

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Seven each of the unclean animals for sacrifice (male and female)


Interesting, dear 'Mom (the greatest of love and peace to you!): I thought it was seven of the CLEAN animals... and TWO of the unclean. Genesis 7:2

Although, perhaps he took two of each, clean and unclean, but brought the clean onboard in sevens...

Just thought wanted to point that out, though (before someone else did - LOL!).

Again, peace to you!

Your servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

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Dear aguest

: sorry bad mistake. I did mean seven clean!!!!
Thanks for catching that

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I have begun wondering lately if some of the stories in Genesis; Noah and the ark, Adam and Eve and the original sin, etc... might not be allegorical rather than literal. Many elements of those stories really seem over the top.

I don't think that understanding portions of the bible as allegory undermines the message.

One of the things that has never made sense to me is how a married couple who has been together for God only knows how long, could suddenly become so ashamed of being naked in front of each other that they ran off to cover their nasty bits. Makes no sense. HAS TO represent something else.
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I have begun wondering lately if some of the stories in Genesis; Noah and the ark, Adam and Eve and the original sin, etc... might not be allegorical rather than literal. Many elements of those stories really seem over the top.

I don't think that understanding portions of the bible as allegory undermines the message.


Greetings Criminy

something that was shared with me is Hebrews 11:3 "By faith we perceive that the systems of things were put in order by God's word, so that what is BEHELD (physical/literal ..has come to BE out of things that do not APPEAR (spiritual/literal (where maybe your allegorical/figurative comes in)"
And it does not undermine the meaning in any way

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P.S. The garden of eden had the tree of life in it...same one in new Jeruselum...Noah entered into an "ark'/chest with a covering,concealing him from the outside(physical)/Moses as an infant was put into an "ark" and covered/concealed...there was an ark/chest built that contained aarons staff/manna(showbread) 10 commandments (thelaw)
that ark should be on our hearts with the law on it NOW partaking into us the manna


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One of the things that has never made sense to me is how a married couple who has been together for God only knows how long, could suddenly become so ashamed of being naked in front of each other that they ran off to cover their nasty bits. Makes no sense. HAS TO represent something else.


Indeed, it DOES represent something else, dear Crim (peace to you!). If you can please bear with me (and my verbosity, indeed please feel free to break this up and read over time, if you need to - ) I will explain.

It wasn't the nakedness of their fleshly bodies that they were trying to hide: the flesh body only had significance OUTSIDE the garden; INSIDE the garden the fleshly body was "of no use at all." (John 6:63) In order to enter the garden, therefore, Adham/Eve had to be IN SPIRIT; hence, they didn't place THEMSELVES in it, but God placed them in it. (Genesis 2:5-10)

[A side note: the NWT rendition of the order of events at Genesis 2:5-7 is absolutely inaccurate. Their version is:

"Now there was as yet no bush of the field found in the earth and no vegetation of the field was as yet sprouting, because Jehovah God had not made it rain upon the earth and there was no man to cultivate the ground."

This suggests that at the time JAH formed Adham and Eve there was no vegetation, etc., because there was no man to cultivate the ground. That is a LIE. The ACCURATE translation of those verses is:

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: BUT JaHVeH had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. A mist came up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. And [because up to that time there was no man to till the ground] JaHVeH formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Emphases mine.)

I digress.]

Adham and Eve could not initially place themselves IN the garden... because "Except a man be born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". So, in order for them to do it on their OWN... they would have had to die... and be born AGAIN... as spirits. OR... they had to be allowed to transform... by God... into spirit (i.e., be IN SPIRIT).

Once IN, however, they could eat from the Tree of Life... and as a result of THAT... go in AND out... between the two. By means of the DOOR that the Tree [of Life] was and provided... they could "be 'like' God"... go between the two worlds... without having to die in the flesh. Because that Door and Tree is Christ... the "Narrow Gate", "True Vine," "Root of Jesse"... "Sprout!" (Genesis 3:22-24; Isaiah 11:10; John 10:7-9; 15:1; Romans 15:12; Revelation 22:1, 2). It is the same way that man can "enter" NOW... without dying.

So, what did this "hiding of nakedness" represent? It was hiding the nakedness of their SPIRIT! What was "in" them... which they could no longer "view"... without a ruined conscience! And if one's conscience is "ruined"... it is due to UNCLEANNESS. Uncleanness, though, of the SPIRIT. It was the revealing of this uncleanness of spirit... IT'S "nakedness"... that they tried to hide... and ultimately needed to cover!

Which is why the Most Holy One of Israel gave them a "long garment of skin"... the fleshly body with ITS blood... to "cover" them. To hide what was IN them. THAT garment, however, is prohibited from entering the kingdom. Because it is "befouled". It is the body WE inherited from them, the befouled and thus corrupted (by sin and death) body.

The bodies Adham and Eve originally had were not so, though. They were clean, WITHOUT sin and thus death IN them.

But all is not lost: one CAN get back to that state, of possession a CLEAN outer garment, so as to enter. To do so, one must receive a "WHITE outer garment" (i.e., the "white robe")... which is a SPIRIT body... so as to enter. THAT robe results from having the BEFOULED robe... washed... in the blood of the Lamb. Zechariah 3:1-5; Mark 16:5; Revelation 6:10, 11; 7:9, 10, 13, 14; 3:18

This is the gist of Paul's discussion at 1 Corinthians 15:35-55:

"Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain, it may be, of wheat or any one of the rest; but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to each of the seeds its own body. Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort."

Note, Paul could NOT have been comparing the stars and planets with the bodies of humans and beasts, because of what he writes next:

"The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, star differs from star in glory.

By our definition, these are ALL "heavenly bodies"; yet, Paul speaks of the glory of these being different. He goes on the explain what he means:

"So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.[b] It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Nevertheless, [b]the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven. As the one made of dust, so those made of dust are also; and as the heavenly one, so those who are heavenly also. And [b]just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, [u]we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one.

"However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord [Jesus] Christ!

So, it was not the "nakedness" of the flesh such as we have that Adham and Eve were covering, trying to hide... because they didn't HAVE flesh such as we have. They hadn't been GIVEN that body, which includes the "long garment of skin," at the time they ate from the Tree (of the Knowledge of Good and Bad). They didn't receive such a body until AFTER they ate, just before they were cast out and restricted from re-entering.

So, how is one, perhaps like you, to know these things, to know how the account WASN'T referring to just regular ol' nakedness? One way is to UNDERSTAND that many of these things don't refer to the physical body at ALL, are not with regard to earthly and thus physical things... but are SPIRITUAL and relate to things of the SPIRIT.

Another way, though, and the BEST way... is to go to the Source yourself for clarification, he that is the Way, the Truth, and the Life: the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). Buy from HIM... eyesalve. Luke 11:13; John 14:6; 1 John 2:26-29; Revelation 3:18

Again, I apologize for my verbosity and thank you for sticking with me to this point. I hope what I shared helps give you a better glimpse into these things. It is just a glimpse, though, as much as can be shared by one who is only a servant in the household, and thus a partial revelation. For the complete, one would have to look... and listen... TO.. the Source.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant, servant to the Household of God, Israel, and a slave of Christ, the Source,


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Can someone please explain the whole ''Noah, the Ark and the flood'' to me please? I have never understood it although I am drawn to thinking it's not literal?

I'm very confused and need it unravelling for me, if any of you would be so kind.

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My thoughts were and anyone can share is that the outside world (the physical) was to be destroyed by water. Noah being the righteous man and his household to be spared/preserved/delivered entered into the ark with a covering along with the animals. The ark represents a spiritual place. In their case a protected house provided by Jah. The earth was physical. The ark represented spiritual.
Just like to adam the earth he was made from (dust) was physical, then he was put into the garden which was spiritual.
In Noahs case though, since there was a destruction coming he needed protection, therefore not able to go off the ark. Adam and eve COULD come and go inside and out of the garden until they sinned. Then they were barred from entering.

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Yes I do believe that the flood was literal physically.....


Question: how do you think all the insects were able to survive being underwater for several months?


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Well Genesis 7:13-15 tells us everything that was brought upon the ark.
"Every sort of flesh in which the force of life was active." So that included insect species (male and female) Then EVERYTHING else outside the ark died/expired. Genesis 7:21-23

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There are literally millions of unique insect species on the earth (probably more back then). It's quite a stretch to say that they could fit this many insects into the arks finite space, even if it is only a subset.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/30/scien ... ecies.html

Then there is the problem of continental travel, how could the insects and mammals that are unique to only certain continents traverse oceans to get to ark?

There are so many holes with this story...


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