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Family found.
A gypsy woman in Bulgaria Sasha Ruseva, age 38 and her husband Atanas Rusev claim that the girl is their daughter. They have more children and the woman claimed that she sold Maria (for 250!!!) as she didn't have money to feed the children and return back to Bulgaria from Greece where she was working collecting olives.

1. Mother and sister


2. Maria's some brothers and sisters (mother claims she has given birth around 10 times...)


watch video here:http://www.antenna.gr/news/General/article/320621/brikan-toys-goneis-tis-mikris-marias-stin-boylgaria-

Oh what should be done now? Should she return to her real family here?

Continue to live in her current residence with the gypsies in Greece?

Or be given to another family for adoption to have a better future?
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And still I am confused. How can the children be blond and the parents dark colored? Maybe not even their children but from another family? But the dark haired sister looks similar to Maria. What is going on here? Evolution in action?

Very strange situations with these Roma and all the children they seem to procreate and then give away. That one child with the orange hair, that seems like they have dyed it, no one has that color of hair naturally.

Zoe, why do you say procreate instead of have children?

Whatever the reason for the child's red hair, she's their child. Clearly there are at least two other children in that family who have similar colouring to Maria in Greece. As well as that, the mother says that Maria is hers and that she sold her as she had no money and couldn't cope. Exactly what the Greek Roma family said.

In the last few days a second fair-haired child was removed from a Roma family, amidst suspicions that the family she was with was not her own. This time the child and family were in Ireland. Next thing we knew, the Irish authorities had to do an about-turn, when DNA tests proved she was with her own family and the dark-haired couple were indeed her own parents.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/o ... turned-dna

This whole scenario opens up one of the biggest untold and hardly-known areas of racial prejudice, against the Roma, the gypsies. They suffer widespread discrimination from so-called "civilised" communities. Western-type civilisation seems to have a complete dislike of them and a determination to treat them as the lowest of the low, almost as outcasts or sub humans. Remember that Hitler sent the gypsies into the gas chamber as well as the Jews.

I for one find this kind of covert racism to be highly objectionable. It's everywhere. There are many Roma who are actually fair-haired. I know that; some are in this area. One characteristic of the Roma is in fact their love of children, and the kind of cynical response that implies that they want children just for begging (which was in I be but of news coverage) simply won't do. It is untrue, and it's racist.

Finally, I am reminded to point out the facts of genetics. Two brown-haired parents can give birth to a fair-haired child if the genotype is autosomal recessive. If the parents are both Bb ( B=Brown, b= blond) then the children can be BB, Bb, or bb. The B gene is the dominant gene, so only the bb children will show as fair-haired, or blond.

Great injustice was done to the gypsy family in Ireland, and it seems very probable that great injustice was done also in Greece. If Maria had spent most of her little life with that family, then they are the parents she knows.

Yes, I know child-selling is wrong, but it doesn't happen only among the Roma. It happens everywhere, sometimes among the wealthiest people, and is it any better because it happens in a Western society to a family with money? Or worse because those involved are among the poorest and the most despised?

Anomos, I've just seen your comment about evolution in action.

No. Let me draw your attention to my post above, headed to Zoe, because I was responding to her comments, but my post was meant for everyone and especially to you who created the thread.

One more word. If you look at the photos of the Bulgarian family above, what do you see? Wilful neglect? People who shouldn't have children?

What I see is a family of obviously very happy children living in the kind of poverty that exists all over the worldly. For many millions of people those living conditions are the norm. One reason is the imbalance in the world that enables some to live in luxury squandering the earth's resources, and essentially living off the backs of the very poorest. It ill behoves those who have to despise the have-nots, especially when I so much of Western society millions of tons of food are thrown away and left to rot.

I wasn't being negative against the Roma's, just musing as to what their lifestyle was about. I don't know anything about these people as we don't seem to have them here in Canada. Chariklo, you have explained it well and it gives a better perspective.

I correct my wrong choice of using the word Procreate (though the dictionary definition seems to say its the same meaning as "have children")

Online Dictionary:
pro·cre·ate (prkr-t)
v. pro·cre·at·ed, pro·cre·at·ing, pro·cre·ates

v.tr.
1. To beget and conceive (offspring).

2. To produce or create; originate.

v.intr.
To beget and conceive offspring; reproduce.

DEFINITIONS OF: procreate
1
v have offspring or produce more individuals of a given animal or plant
“The Bible tells people to procreate”
Synonyms:multiply, reproduce

So Have children - is better choice? I was trying to be more sophisticated but I stand corrected.

Well, now, seems we DO have some common ground, dear Char (peace to you!)... because I absolutely, totally, agree with EVERYTHING you've stated here... from the genetics to the... mmmmmm... unintentionally racists comments (my apologies to any who are offended... but that IS what they are, sorry!). The... mmmmmmm... "European" (for lack of a better word) authorities... and MANY of the world... made some very... heinous, IMHO... assumptions. The h*ll with genetics (and I did try to point that out in my first post - darked-haired folks can very well have VERY blonde children, whose hair tends to darken as they age). And the h*ll with poor people actually loving children and particularly their own children ('cause they're all nothing but "rabbits", who breed indiscriminately and so place SUCH a burden on the rest of "us").

AND... if we think people in the western world don't sell their children... then perhaps reading up on the "fees" associated with adoption will disspell THAT myth. Actually, we do worse: we kill them... before they ever even come INTO the world... because we can't handle the "inconvenience"... and are too stupid to use contraception.

This was SUCH a stupid, stupid, UNintelligent fiasco by the authorities... and most of "us" (who considered them right, with NO question)... should be ashamed of the thoughts it cultivated IN us... and the words that came OUT of us as a result.

Just my (very honest) $0.02.

Judge not...

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

I do understand where you're coming from, dear Zoe (mornin' and peace to you, luv!), but there is an insidious assumption when it comes to the extremely poor that they're tramps and thieves. This is especially true as to the Roma, who are poor NOT because they don't/won't work... but BECAUSE of the prejudices against them worldwide! They have no "home" and so roam... and because of this, are viewed with great suspicion. So MANY myths have been created so as to make these the scapegoats for a plethora of crimes committed by... "civilized"... people! Child missing? Gypsies stole him! Property missing, a gold watch, a chicken? Gypsies stole it! No one ever looks at, perhaps, the missing child's parents... or a relative/friend or other traveler when things come up missing.

At one point these myths were SO bad... they gave birth to "DRACULA"! Why? To scare the crap out of folks as to these nomadic people! How? By teaching that they are blood drinkers! So, when a young girl was found raped, bloodied, and dead... well, "the gypsies, who just passed through, did it!"

I learned this as a JW, when one of the "sisters" in my congregation, a Roma, was treated like CRAP... BY the congregation! I didn't understand it - she was SO sweet... and so I allowed my daughter to babysit her kids... while she went to work!! But wait, gypsies don't work! I was told by another sister that she was "gypsy" (it was whispered, of course)... and so I asked her about it ("So, you're a gypsy, eh?"). Dumb me, I thought "gypsy" was either a real ethnicity... or a kind of suspicious kind of folks. SHE explained the Roma to me... which prompted me to look into it further.

As an African American, I was not only appalled by what I found out... but felt a sort of kindred connection: here are people, originally driven from their home (centuries ago), who have been wandering ever since... and blamed for every bad event in the vicinity of their camps (which they lived in for YEARS... because they weren't PERMITTED to live in towns!). They like to eat and drink and dance and celebrate... and they love children. To make money they read palms, tea leaves, tell fortunes, etc., and do day labor/harvesting. Much of their travel is DUE to following the harvests (which those in the US should understand, because we have migrant workers HERE... and THEIR living conditions are DEPLORABLE).

They do this kind of work, though, because they're not ALLOWED to do much else. But so, of COURSE... by the more... mmmmm... "civilized" and "worthy" society... they are considered scum! Their dark-haired women exist ONLY to lure away the oh-so-innocent husbands of "civilized" women, pawns of Satan used to lead "good" men down the "bad" path (well, of course! Look at how many CHILDREN they produce!). And the men are all thieves and tricksters, dishonest and conniving... because crime sometimes increases when gypsies are in the vicinity (nevermind, the "civilized" folks who take advantage of their presence to COMMIT such crimes)... and the list goes on!

TODAY, though, there is enough information out there (internet, books, documentaries) that tell the TRUTH... that no one needs to be ignorant.

Dear ones, if you don't know much about a people, don't just buy into the PROPAGANDA put out there by biased, corrupt, prejudiced authorities! LOOK IT UP.

I hope this helps.

Peace to you all!

A slave of Christ, who descended from Israelites/Jews... who lived a VERY similar life to the Roma, early on... and more particularly, after the fall of Jerusalem (hence, the many prejudices against THEM, for centuries)...

Shellamar

Want to say good morning Shelby and say,

My children are considered black and if you saw my youngest from birth to about 6 months he had blue eyes and was blonde til he was 4 yrs. old.

Some people asked if my boys all had the same father.

Also this reminded me of a stand up comedian who talks about young girls who brag about still being single and no children and HE says to the effect ..

"NO!! Your actually a serial killer because you didn't count your 6 abortions."

Just a thought as well.

We ALL have stuff in our hearts and things we say and do.
For me it's just another reminder to have CHRIST with us as we look in the mirror.

Thanks for sharing
Love Justmom

Seems a safe bet to me that whenever one group of people is singled out and persecuted (by words if not by deeds), that it is a result of propaganda, fear, 'witch-hunt', etc... and a good reason not to trust it. Something I try to keep in mind (though I too sometimes forget and need to be reminded, by another person, or by Christ himself), when momentum starts to build against a particular group (like Muslims).

It is good when blatant injustices are brought to light though... because some people WILL think about what they are doing. (Not everyone of course; some will keep their prejudices because they want them. But those who act in ignorance, who are deceived, may wake up.) Like that example of the child they took from that Roma family, above, thinking the child was not theirs... when DNA then showed them wrong.

Peace,
tammy

I love learning about people and cultures and there are so many. Now I have learned about a new one I have never honestly known anything about which is the Roma's.
Fascinating and enlightening, I wonder if anyone has written a book to help see things from their perspective.

I never thought about Gypsies, thought it was just a term for people who are transient. Then one day my husband and I were in Prague, Czech and we asked the owner of the small hotel we were staying in how to get downtown as we were staying in the outskirts of the city. She explained how to get to the subway/tube/underground and warned us several times to beware of those terrible gypsies that hang around in the subway and in the city. She said they are always stealing so hide your purse and watch out. I was looking out for them and nervous but didn't know what they were supposed to look like??? If I saw them I didn't know it and we were never in danger or robbed?

I SO thought of your dear baby, dear 'Mom (mornin' and peace, luv!), who I've known for close to 20 years now... but didn't want to risk offending (since it's your personal stuff). But since YOU brought it up - LOLOLOL!... unlike his darker, two older brothers, that baby WAS a blondie... and I could see how some might raise an eyebrow (when looking at the other two). There is no way they would have considered him the brother of the others... unless they looked past his colorings, to his FACE: from day ONE I thought he looked like your dear hubby's brother... and as he grew it just got more and more pronounced. Such that there can be NO denying is lineage! He, of ALL of your boys, look most like his uncle! Thing is, dear hubby's mom's family has a LOT of blonde/light-skinned folks... even though they're [considered and consider themselves] BLACK... because they're mixed (his grandfather was German) - LOLOLOL!

Which makes me wonder: I wonder if anyone has thought that perhaps the mother of these blonde children was raped (by some local-yokel)... which happens to these poor people ALL the time, but they can NEVER report as they would either be run out of town as prostitutes, liars, and slanderers... or the child WOULD be taken by the authorities (only to be abandoned to some orphanage, etc., later, sadly, when their colorings began to darken).

You know, come to think of it, MY son is relatively dark-skinned ("hershey" color)... but was QUITE "white" as a baby, and very light as a child - LOLOL! This isn't unusual, though - in my culture, we have a custom: look at the baby's ears and fingernail beds to tell what his/her TRUE coloring will ultimately be - LOLOLOL! I think dear Miz Shirley (hey, girl! Peace!) might even corroborate!

You know, this reminds me of "Hannibal" (you remember, our German Shepherd... that was brought home because the ex swore up and DOWN that he was a Rottweiler?! LOLOLOL! And who could tell, he was so young when we got him! Puppies and kittens are always cute. ALWAYS. Then... they grow up... and become dogs/cats. Which aren't AS cute, if cute at all... and may not even be the breed you thought it was - LOLOLOL!).

Ah, well... maybe folks need to allow some more time before concluding what a child will ultimately look like!

Peace, girl!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

I am sure there are books, dear Zoe (peace to you, and I am GLAD you want to look into this more!), but you might want to start here, with shorter but interesting information:

https://www.google.com/#q=The+Roma

https://www.google.com/#q=the+romani


One of the most surprising things I learned about them was that they're NOT descendants of Europeans but, again, of East Indians/Pakistanis! Which MIGHT be why they incurred prejudice to begin with, when they migrated into Eastern Europe. That... and religion. Of course. This site has some interesting information about that:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/roma.htm#

Hope this helps!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

A bit off topic but it reminded me when we speak of prejudice of cultures and people.

Over here in Canada at least, we have a very large Pakistani population of immigrants, their culture is very different from ours and I always hear negative things about them as far as how they treat women and view how people should live and think. They are referred to as Paki's here and even my deceased husband despised them as he dealt with them a lot as a police detective and then as a traffic ticket defender. I never had a good impression of them as I saw and heard only the negative things about them here in our culture. I mostly encountered men though, the women I have met more recently seemed so lovely and kind but I still let prejudice rule my thoughts.

Then last week I read the book called "I am Malala". The girl who was shot by the Taliban because she spoke out for education and against their ways. Well that book is amazing, it explains the history and culture of the people in Pakistan and brings you into their homes and thoughts. I am now in love with these people and Malala and her family. These people have suffered such oppression at the hands of Politics and religion and yet they survive and have very good moral standards. Absolutely recommend reading this book.

The baby looks like a mini- Milla Jovovich.... well, Lelu, actually from the Fifth Element... with that bright red hair and orange clothes. I have never seen natural red hair that color either, lol.

I would have assumed at least that those three had a different father from the others, and that might even be the case. Not just from their coloring, but also their features. But I also forgot about genetics and dominant/recessive genes, etc.


My mom and her brothers (all dark hair)... were all pale blond for their first few years, as well.


Peace,
tammy

My maternal grandmother was so dark and all her sisters were too. They are German on both sides. My Oma had raven black hair, olive skin, eyes so dark they were almost black. We (my Mom and I) were always speculating that some Romans or Spaniards must have got in the mix of the genetics way back when. My cousin who lives in Germany did a background ancestry thing for about 12 generations and no mix of anything but German apparently. ??
Then my daughter had her blood tested for genetics and ancestry earlier this year and found out on the maternal side that we originate from Africa (Somalia or Ethiopia) or Egypt...WOW. You just never know what is in your gene pool so sure shows you shouldn't go around being prejudiced about other races, you might have some of that blood in your own veins lol.