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Yes, I do know exactly what it means, dear Char (peace to you!). It means someone is trying to "get somewhere" with someone, although not literally (as in a literal place), but metaphorically, yes. Which is what I responded to: "where"... or, if you prefer... to what END... are you trying TO get to? And I answered that, too: agreement. Regardless of whether that end is TRUE or not. So long as it IS agreement, such that it puts us common ground. I TOTALLY get that. I think EVERYONE gets that, luv.



I did... and do.



I didn't have to TWIST anything, dear Char. I simply responded to your comment.



Twisting, no. But I wasn't the one who "twisted". I stated what I stated and stuck with what I stated... and didn't try to convince anyone that I meant something other than what I meant... and stated. Which, which done (but I won't say by whom), is not a very good thing to do.



Char, I am NOT convinced I am right. Which, again, is what YOU don't GET. I... don't KNOW... ANYTHING. I have shared that TRUTH... well, I don't think ANYONE can really count the times as this point. I have shared... ad nauseum, perhaps, that what I DO share... IS NOT MINE. So, how can I be right?? How can you think I THINK I'm right? Everything I share on these matters is what I have RECEIVED, been GIVEN - I did not come up with it. Goodness, girl, I realize I'm not the dullest crayon in the box, but even I know I'm not THAT smart!

The things I have shared on THIS matter, I STATED where I got them, WHO I received them from. I did not take the credit... because I CAN'T. It would be a LIE. A kind of plagarism. Yet, when I tell you the TRUTH... you STILL can't grasp it. The issue isn't mine, dear Char - it's yours, luv. Truly. You can't GRASP when someone TELLS you... TRUTHFULLY... that they're not telling you what THEY know... but what they RECEIVED... from someone who DOES know. Truly, it can't be THAT hard to grasp! Or can it???



Char, you are absolutely RIGHT. And I can openly admit that I... am WRONG... WAY more often than I am right! I TOTALLY acknowledge that. Which is WHY I can't RELY on what I THINK I KNOW. Because I DON'T KNOW. There IS One, however, who IS... ALWAYS... right... who DOES know! And both you and I claim to belong to and follow him! Yes? Yet, when I attribute and give the glory for what I DO share to HIM... well, you fall apart! Why IS that?

YOU speak as to what YOU (think you) KNOW. I simply share what the very one we BOTH claim as the Truth... tells ME... and tells me to SHARE... with YOU. And you take issue with me. Yet, if I SAID to you that these things WERE mine... you would have absolutely NO problem with it. Indeed, you would most probably even be like another (former) poster, who wanted me to TAKE credit! Even when I have TRUTHFULLY stated that it's NOT MINE.

But... you and he are not the first to call for such from me... and certain not the first to call for such at all:

Do you SEE?

Now, others... who have absolutely NO knowledge of, let alone indwelling by, Christ, the Holy Spirit, can tell you all manner of things. They agree with/approve this... or disagree/disapprove of that. But this is nothing new under the sun, dear Char. Indeed, I am reminded of what our own Lord is recorded to have said to those who demanded the same of HIM:

"I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?" John 5:43, 44

Now, if you want to pick and choose as to what is "right" and what is "not" among what I share... by all means, DO that! That is entirely YOUR prerogative. You are admonished, are you not, to "test" the inspired expressions? Then, by all means, DO that. I would just suggest that you test them against Christ, against love, against what is written... utilizing the holy spirit that YOU have been anointed with... rather than against what some who have NO spirit say... and have taught you. But that, too, is your choice.



Then, please... by ALL means... REBUT what I have shared, dear Char... and include YOUR basis/source! Rather than just say "You're WRONG, Shelby!"... please... show us ALL... just how that is! Please! I mean, if what I've shared is wrong... and YOU have what is RIGHT... are you not OBLIGATED to share it, so that those here are not MISLED?? So, please... put your money where YOUR mouth is, dear Char. Or consider keeping it in your pocket.



Then by ALL means... open that pocket and pay up, dear one. SPEND that talent/mina! SHOW us, please... where what I've shared in WRONG... and your basis for saying so. Please. But to just say "You're wrong!"... means... what? How does that prove YOU are right??



And I have NEVER disputed that. To the contrary, I have shared that I am ALWAYS wrong... which is WHY I must rely on what CHRIST tells me. Who do YOU rely on, Char, to tell YOU what is true or not?

Really, I think you need to SERIOUSLY consider just what it is you want... from whom... and from where. Because you seem to keep expecting something DIFFERENT than what you get here. WHY??

Again, peace to you, dear, dear Char... and ears to hear... what I've shared above, if not the Spirit and the Bride when they say to YOU:

"Come!" so as to "Take 'life's water'... the HOLY SPIRIT of God... FREE!"

Because that call is still being made to YOU... else you wouldn't be HERE. Because "something" is keeping you here. I would venture to say that it IS... primarily... the TRUTH that we share here.

May you, then, be given ears to hear such truths, if you TRULY wish ears to DO so! Psalm 40:6

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Thank you, Shelby.

Fair enough.

IMO:
RE being God's children:
We are ALL children of the Creator God, that isn't the issue at all.
In terms of creation, we are all his children, including Satan of course and all the fallen ones.

But only those that believe and/or do what is right are the spiritual children of God ( but that doesn't mean we are saved by what we do, but because of God's grace through Christ).

It matters not to which organization or religion you belong, it matters to WHOM you belong and we are to belong to God through Christ.

RE: our inherent bias:
Yes, we are ALL victims of seeing and understanding things through our cultural and experience driven bias.
We are able to understand or not, the truth of ANYTHING only as it relates through that bias.
No one here has a monopoly on the truth, only Christ because HE IS the WORD of God.

Even those that do have the truth given directly from Christ must still convey that truth through their "bias view" and through OUR "bias understanding".
This is why ALL of creation, including the bible, is in need of redemption and that redemption is Christ.

All any of us can do is POINT to Christ, none of us can speak for Him.
All we can do is express OUR understanding and, as flawed and imperfect humans, we have to accept that at times, we won't be able to make ourselves understood correctly, sometimes it is our fault and sometimes it is the audiences.
That is why we must always ask for those that read and listen to Us to, in the end, ASK CHRIST and NOT take our words for it.

I am going to try and explain further, dear, dear P (mornin' and peace to you, dear one!)... as our dear Lord has directed me... and ask that you not take offense at my ZEAL. Because the spirit is VERY active within me, right now, on this matter. Because, for some reason, some wish to stick with what they THINK (they "know")... much of which is based on what they have been told by men and allowed themselves to BELIEVE... because such beliefs "feel good"... rather than listen to and receive the TRUTH... FROM the Truth. Which is (a thing that SO many who profess "faith" tend to miss):

Children... are NOT "created." Children... are BORN (of a father/mother... which is why the angels/beasts, etc., CANNOT be sons: they are merely CREATIONS)... or ADOPTED. Like Christ, who was BORN (indeed, the FIRST born... not just from the dead... but from JAH's FREE wife, "Sarah"... or Jerusalem ABOVE... the spirit realm)... Adham was BORN. Of a Father (JAH) and mother ("Hagar", the earth, from whose WOMB he was brought forth). Christ, however, WAS BORN... AND ADOPTED.

WE, mankind... are the children... of MAN... ADHAM... NOT of GOD (JAH)... until such time as we are BEGET... then ADOPTED... BY JAH. We are BEGET by Him, by means of HIS (holy) spirit, HIS blood/breath/seed... so as to BE His sons. One can only BE His son... if one is BORN... of HIS blood/spirit/semen! Christ is and Adham was! (Matthew 1:20; Genesis 2:7; John 20:22). And it is the SAME for US: one is NOT a son... until one is BEGET... BY... JAH. WE... receiving the "begetting"... from HIS Son, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, His CHOSEN One (MischaJah)... who GRANTS us that spirit! Then, it is FURTHER ratified (that we are sons)... when we are also ADOPTED by that same spirit!

Why also an adoption? So that there can be NO contention as to the FACT that one IS His son! He not only gives us His blood/spirit... but HIS word... that one IS His son!

Before you take issue with this TRUTH, consider what is set forth in these verses:

Psalm 2:7
Matthew 3:17; 17:5
Mark 1:11
Acts 13:32, 33
Romans 1:2-4; 8:15
Galatians 4:6
Hebrews 1:5; 5:5

WITHOUT that blood/spirit, however, JAH's HOLY spirit... which is ratified by JAH's own WORD... one is NOT a son. Creation does not MAKE one a son of ANYTHING or ANYONE... including God... any more than creation makes a computer the son of its designer/creator.

And sice those who ARE sons RECEIVE that blood/spirit... from the SON of the MOST HOLY One of Israel... HE then is called their "Eternal Father" - because HE is the LAST "Adham". The FIRST Adham... gave us DEATH. And so, OUTSIDE of Christ... ALL ARE DEAD. JAH, however, is the God... of the LIVING. And so, THROUGH Christ... the LIFE... some "come to life"!

Isaiah 9:6
Romans 5:12, 17
1 Corinthians 15:45
John 4:10, 13, 14; 7:37-39
Revelation 22:1

JAH is the LIVING God, dear one; NOT the god... OF THE DEAD.

Matthew 22:32

And so, Christ SAID:

"UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink HIS blood... you have NO life IN you." John 6:53

If you have NO life IN you, dear one... you CANNOT be a son of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies! You CANNOT. Because... He is the LIVING GOD... and so the FATHER... of the LIVING. The DEAD... "have NO life" IN themselves.

Matthew 8:22

They are "dead"... because they don't have CHRIST, the HOLY One of Israel and HOLY Spirit... who is the LIFE... NOR God, the MOST HOLY ONE of Israel... IN them. Those who DO... are the NEW Jerusalem, the beloved City and TEMPLE of God. And God and Christ are the temple within THEM:

John 14:23
Romans 8:9, 10
1 Corinthians 3:16
2 Corinthians 11:2
Matthew 25:1-10
Revelation 19:7; 21:2, 9, 10, 22

BUT... for the sake of PEACE... I hold out to those of you who take issue with this as being truth... and admonish you: SHOW IT WRONG. Please... don't just state YOUR opinions, beliefs, and thinking. Give us the BASIS... the background... the SUPPORT... for WHY (you think) it's not correct, inaccurate, wrong. GIVE us a reason to "listen" to YOU. Refute it but with the SOURCE of your refutation.

Because that is what many who take issue with us claim... and what some of YOU are also claiming... that what I share is merely mine, that there is no basis. But I SHARE with you the Source, the Very One who tells ME these things: the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, who has revealed himself to ME as "JAHESHUA, MischaJah (the Chosen One of JAH)." I have not withheld that truth, even though it makes me appear "crazy, unstable, delusional" or worse. I have not LIED to you. And I have always, ALWAYS shown you where that One has revealed to ME something is "written." I don't just make assertions; I provide scriptural, written, and even secular corroboration... as HE provides such to ME... for YOUR benefit.

So, please... show me where I am in error in what I have shared. Please. Because this is NOT a joke with me or something I take lightly. We are being watched, NOT just by man, but by angels/spirits. We are among those fulfilling the prophecy of Malachi during OUR generation:

"Then those who feared JaHVeH talked with each other, and JaHVeH listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared JaHVeH and honored his name.

“On the day when I act,” says JaHVeH Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not."

Malachi 3:16-18

Since the sons will be spared... and some will NOT be... ALL... CANNOT BE... sons. It's just simple LOGIC, dear ones. But I defer to your rebuttals. Please... show me where I have shared ANYTHING wrong as to these matters. Please.

I leave it to you.

As always, PEACE... to you ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

We can ask, encourage, admonish, ever exhort, dear one (peace to you!)... but in the end, it is up to each one to DO so. If they don't, then their inability to RECEIVE the truths shared with them that are RECEIVED from Christ... is on them. Or on him, should HE perhaps know of some reason why they are not given "access". Sometimes, it's merely a matter of a hard HEAD (such that it won't LISTEN)... a hard HEART (such that it won't CONDESCEND and HUMBLE itself), and STIFF neck (such that it won't allow the head to be TURNED... so as to LOOK to and AT Christ).

None of which is the one sharing... or so asking, encouraging, admonishing, and exhorting [one TO go the Christ]. Each one, then, will have to give an accounting... as to why they DIDN'T listen, condescend, or turn their heads.

Again, I know YOU know this...

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Ah yes, I see your point.
Yes, I agree.
I don't wanna get into a battle of semantics, that all must be created before they are born and so forth.
Your point is quite valid and correct.
My point was simply that in the creative context we are all His children just as even this Universe can be viewed as His Child since it came from Him.
BUT in the more correct view of parentage, you you are correct that only those BORN directly OFF God or Adopted By God can correctly be called His children.

Good morning ,

I thought it was a perfect explanation, Praise Jah!!!


And sice those who ARE sons RECEIVE that blood/spirit... from the SON of the MOST HOLY One of Israel... HE then is called their "Eternal Father" - because HE is the LAST "Adham". The FIRST Adham... gave us DEATH. And so, OUTSIDE of Christ... ALL ARE DEAD. JAH, however, is the God... of the LIVING. And so, THROUGH Christ... the LIFE... some "come to life"!

Great point also.

It helps us to understand the verse that says " Let the dead bury the dead".

Those outside of CHRIST as you mentioned or are not " part of his body" are considered 'dead' in Jahs eyes.

Now can they be " sheep"??? YES! Inherit the kingdom??? YES!

By how they " treat " Christs brothers, this is what Matthew 25: 31-46 describes.

Thank you for sharing this Shelby as you heard from our Lord!

Love to you all today
Justmom

Well I am not dead, ... yet.

That might depend on how you look at it, dear ANOMOS (mornin' and peace to you!)... and/or who you ask! LOLOLOL!

Peace, luv!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Char, it is good to ASK : who Knows?

I read a book long ago entitled GREATEST SALESMAN IN THE WORLD.

Your STATEMENT, reminded me of this book.

~skally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I realize you've addressed dear Char, dear Skalls (mornin' and peace to you, both!)... but I must ask: ask WHO? Other than other humans? How would you know which one was right/truthful? I realize your question was rhetorical... but I am compelled to address it, if you don't mind. Thank you!

We (humans) don't have the answers, luv. Nor do we here. We (here) can only publish to you the One who does... and what HE says. Even as to matters like this. From him, we at least know what KIND of person will be shown mercy (the merciFUL). Yet, except for his chosen ones (who he calls by name - John 10:3, 4), even he doesn't say who ELSE... SPECIFICALLY... and why would he? The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, shows mercy to WHOMEVER He wishes to show it.

His Son, however, gave us a CLUE as to who these others would be and, guess what? They're MERCIFUL, too:

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’" Matthew 25:31-40

You might already know what occurs for those who are NOT merciful... those on the King's LEFT... so I won't restate that here (but you read if, if you want to, at Matthew 25:41-46).

I cannot speak for another but I have to say: even if you're not at a place where this makes much difference to YOU, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!), claims a union with Christ. So his words here would (should) have some meaning for HER. Which is why I am sharing this. They are not MY words... nor is the idea/decision as to who will be shown mercy mine. Your question "Who knows?" suggests that someone WILL be shown grace (and perhaps some won't be). I offer that if one is even CONSIDERING whether mercy is to be shown or NOT... then one must also consider by WHOM. And if one concludes that THEIR understanding is by "God"... then one might considering LISTENING to what HE said on the matter. Which saying is made... through His Son, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah).

We can't have it both ways, dear Skalls: one cannot believe in God... as such is related to Christ (if they believe in Christ; I am not speaking as to those who do not believe in either, or believe in a god NOT related to Christ - that's beyond the scope of this thread)... and NOT LISTEN to what HE says as to matters. It just doesn't work like that. To the contrary, if one only wants to hear what such one himself/herself thinks... or believes... or wishes to hear... then one most probably WON'T hear Christ... because what comes from HIS mouth... is the TRUTH. Always. Regardless of what one wants to hear... or not.

And so, if one isn't trying to HEAR the truth, one isn't trying to HEAR him. And if one isn't trying to hear HIM... then one isn't trying to hear the Truth. And that really is the case with most of mankind... which is why most of mankind DON'T hear (him).

I hope this helps.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Hi Shelby,

When Char said "who knows", it was a brilliant deduction. And I gave her the book title of a book I read years ago about that very concept when talking about the 'knowing of god or a "higher power type thingy". So, I grabbed it [her declaration, if you will] and shared that with her.

Ever hear of the book? It's author is Og Mandino. It's a fast read. Check it out sometime and then you'll say: "oh, THAT is what she was referring to. Got it."

Have a pleasant evening Shelby.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

And before you say: but you said the word ASK.

Simply, and pardon me for not clarifying, ASK ones SELF.

The answer will be the same too. It is fabulous, as far as I see the concept, to ask yourself this question and get the answer in the same relation...who knows? Indeed.

It is a win win if you will.

~sfskally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Hi SKally,

Thanks for your interest. I hadn't heard of that book before. Interesting.

I understood what you meant. You weren't asking a question.

Other than that, considering and rereading all the posts on this page, one thing stood out for me just now. Shelby, I wasn't talking about going anywhere with anyone, as you thought, even metaphorically. I was just talking about the discussion. I suspect that I tend more towards the abstract than you do, and possibly this will be at the root of past misunderstandings.

Neither mode is more right than the other. It's just a matter of different styles.

But Shelby, I don't "claim" anything. I have spoken merely of what is. No onus on you to accept it, and your non-acceptance, if the use of the word claim implies that, does not affect what is in any way. Nor am I taking offence at the word. It may be different linguistic patterns across the Atlantic, but to me, to say that someone "claims" something carries an inherent implication that they may claim it but its existence is in doubt.

Shelby,



We went over these dynamics months ago dear. It certainly does not help, even now.

For ME and in MY lifes journey with the Unknown, the very best I can now conclude is : who knows? I do not Know.

Thank you.

~s-kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."