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SKALLY SAID

And Perhaps it was god telling them to die for him. No one COULD know. How could they if they were not present?

You trust it could not, therefore, was not god speaking these dreadful things to these men, of god.

I trust that it very well could have been. Is it so hard to THINK, BELIEVE, that god DID speak that these men go forth and demonstrate their FAITH and LOYALY?

{almost finished w/ my dessert and heading to bed to watch tv)

sKally

TEC SAID

It is to me, yes. Absolutely. At least in the manner that they claim that such a demonstration be done. Because that is against the teachings and example of Christ, and of love.

So for me it is simple.

God does not need anyone to die for HIM. For what purpose would He need such a thing?

Peace,
tammy

SKALLY SAID

no tammy, please re-view what my question is above that you replied to with your quote.

I'm off to the bedroom now.

Sweet dreams!! bye now

YPPUPLLEH SAID

she overlooked my post
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

TEC SAID

Good night, sKally. Talk more tomorrow then.

Peace,
tammy

SKALLY SAID

sigh, just saw ur last reply, but alas, i'm sleepy and want my pillows!!

Thanks for trying tammy. E for effort. I mean it. nite

SKALLY SAID


um, pupalupagus....i did answer you, just not directly, as this thread is for the masses:



THAT WAS IT!

Then I proceeded to try it again.

YPPUPLLEH SAID

after that post silly ;p the last one in page one

AGUEST SAID

Dearest Skals... the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one! The truth is that I cannot add any more to what I responded... and what dear tec and HP (the greatest of love and peace to you two, as well!) responded. In a much more concise and succinct way that I could ever master, these two answered, I believe, your question. If, in your good opinion they did not, then perhaps my final response to you... that only YOU can answer the question(s) you pose... FOR you... is the "answer" you are seeking.

I, though, have nothing else. YOU have to decide for yourself, dear one... whether you believe another is telling you the TRUTH... or is not. I can only add is that the DIFFERENCE between what each one CLAIMS to hear... is the "fruit" of that "inspired expression." Nothing else really matters... does it?

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

GLADIATOR SAID

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:21 am Post subject:
sKally


I suppose the simple answer to your original question is that we have no way of knowing. We can choose to believe that there is a god that speaks to humans or not believe. If people believe that a god is speaking to them and telling them to show love and tolerance to people, then I have no problem with that. If they believe that god is telling them to do evil things such as suicide bombing, then I do have a problem.

The idea that people believe a loving god is speaking to them is of no concern to me at all. What concerns me is the message. People don't just act on messages they hear from their god. Charismatic leader in the political arena have also whipped up huge followings and encourage them to do both good and harm. The morality of all this once again comes down to what they are being told to do in the name of their advisor.

What other people believe and do is of no consequence to you if they are not causing harm. In the past people have harmed you due to their beliefs. My advice would be to not waste too much sleep or waking time over it all. Enjoy your moment in the sun and take the best you can from life.You will never put the world right so avoid such people and move on.

FINALCALL

Good Morning sKally

I do not beleive it is so much about a person being mentally ill as it is about a person being able to hear Holy Spirit and identify when our heavenly Father is talking. That means an indivedual must first come to know the one speaking. That will help identify whom the meassage is coming from.

When my son was very young I received a call one day from his teacher. She said he had done some things that would probably get him expelled from school. When I was told what he did, I knew my son well enogh to know this particular thing was not something he would do. After, the teacher investigated the matter further, it was discovered the other kids were lying, for whatever reason.

Just like I knew my son, I now know my heavenly Father Jah and his son Jaheshuah. So, when I hear the Holy Spirit or voices, I am able to distinguish whether it is from my Father or another source. Having faith and learnig to hear His voice is the only sure way not to be misled.

There will always be people, leaders, religions, various causes that people will stand for and may say it is for good (and it may truly be for good) or that God told them to do this.
And these people will always have other people that will follow them. Why? Because most have not come to know Jaheshuah. It is easier to look at someone or a religion and see with ones own physical eyes and
beleive than it is for most to gain faith in and hear what they may not initially see with their spiritual eyes.
That is why it is important to come to know Jaheshuah and learn the faith that enables us to hear Him. Because He will not mislead us, but mankind will.

In short. These types of leaders you speak about will always be here and will probably always find followers. The difference is with the followers. When you follow mankind this happens. When you follow Jaheshuah and hear His voice you do not follow any man or woman.

I was a born in JW. Only from gaining faith and learning to hear His voice was I able to know the JW religion is not the truth and gain the strength to leave it.

I hope this helps address your question at least a little.

Finalcall
A fellow servant of Christ

PSACRAMENTO SAID

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject:
A few things IMO:
One, Shelby doesn't ask anyone to follow her or anything she says, she always tells people to follow the Lord.
Two: there moderators here that are not christians and certainly do NOT agree with what Shelby says.
Three: I am a Christian, as close to "orthodox" as we have here I think, I am getting my Bach in Theology and Shelby and I do NOT agree one a few things here ( they use of Jaheshua for example and God's "triune"nature).
We discuss things civilly and never insult each other but I think it's pretty clear that not everyone agrees with everyone else AND that no one has been asked to follow ANYONE other than Christ.

PSACRAMENTO SAID



In regards to that:
A prophet in the bible is someone that hears/speaks to God and because of that, is followed by believers BUT in the bible, the prophest proved they spoke to God and that God was using them as messengers.
The proved it by raising the dead, prophesing future events, controlling the elements, healing the sick, freeing the opressed, etc.
In short, people (some not all) believed them because the proved it.
Nowadays we have the HS that speaks to those that wish to listen, so that we do NOT need any other person. We HAVE a person that is our advocate with God, and this is His Son Jesus Christ, Our Lord and we need NO ONE ELSE.

Those that follow anyone else, any other Man are going against the teachings of Christ.
Those that claim to speak for God and ask anyone to follow THEM are NOT speaking for God.
Those people did NOT hear God's voice, why?
Because they told others to follow THEM, because their works were death and destruction.

JUSTMOM SAID



I can only answer that what was truly in their hearts was manifetsed by their actions. If an individual claims to hear a voice tell THEM to do something, then it is up to the individual to obey the voices command. Not to enforce others of what you yourself hear. Where is the free will in this?
Unfortunately those individuals that died with their leaders "made their own choice"! Right or wrong? Whether they were misled or used their free will the outcome was the same.
They ALL will still stand before the throne in the resurrection. Jah will read and understand their hearts. He "IS" truly loving and merciful. He will judge!

Just my .02 cents
justmom (who drank kool-aid for many many years and was dying a slow death. And yes it was my choice as an adult)

SKALLY SAID

Not even close.

"in the way that he spoke to others"...the context, the tone, the content, the verbatim....

NOT....the way he spoke to them...the WAY.

Any clearer?

sKally