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And yet Char,

It hasn't stopped Catholics from praying to these " Dead" in hopes of being looked after or for some miracle on earth after a dead Pope to determine whether he is deemed worthy to be a saint.
And all the other reasons that yes I'm not as clear on which you'll mention but doesn't change the fact that it happens. As well as praying to Mary. And giving money so that babies and loved ones can be prayed out of purgatory.

Dead is dead! They cannot benefit the living only CHRIST can do this. To call upon any other is disregard for what and how our lord gave his life.

Love Justmom

Char you often mention that there might be differences in understandings of expressions between England and North America. With respect I have to say that to us here in North America that saying you are a muddled old thing is a insult. We might want to say you are mixed up instead and we would not use "old" because that makes it sound like the person is also senile. Just saying this because maybe you don't realize that your British Expression comes across as insulting and I know you say you do not intend to insult Just Mom.

This Death being a person with a name too and existing before creation and Christ is totally totally way out there. I am totally boggled right now. I better go and do some googling. LOL

Oh, for goodness sake, justmom, you haven't got a clue about what Catholics believe or do.

That's about as accurate and true as the silly makicious untrue nonsense and gossip you posted about Pope Francis, just off some Protestant, antiCatholic media coverage.

Why not check your facts before exposing your ignorance?

Nope, in England it is a kindly expression, often an endearment. Depending, maybe, on social background.

Mind you, then we get posts like the one again, with intended mockery about Catholics that rebounds on the poster because it is just so much hogwash...she didn't know or understand what Catholics really believe or how or why they actually pray.

Pathetic.

Catholics don't pray to Mary then, Char?

Because I'm pretty sure that's a fact.

Or any of the Saints (even though all who are anointed with holy spirit are saints)?


Perhaps anyone wishing to see about catholic prayers for those in purgatory can check this link out (and this is today, nevermind a thousand years ago)

http://www.ourcatholicprayers.com/praye ... atory.html


Peace,
tammy

Lol you all got busy

Insults and praises are region specific

Take "bless your heart" for instance. In the US south it can also be a nice insult

Things I learned yesterday:

Paddling a canoe against the current is hard yet thrilling when progress is made. Eventually the arms tire out and the canoe ends up back where it started

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Oh and to address the topic at hand ....

Christ had to die because we put him to death. "We" as in mankind. We may not be responsible for the acts of our ancestors but we are responisble for our acts today and perhaps to a degree the acts of those who come after us.

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Yes, JustMom, you're spot on. Catholics do pray to Mary, and to the dead saints. They also pay a lot of money for prayers to be offered to get their loved ones' souls out of the (fictitious) purgatory and into heaven! I'd say you are VERY clued up, indeed.

I am getting very offended at the way you are speaking to JustMom, Chariklo. I hope others feel the same, because its unacceptable behaviour to a lady who is always loving and kind to all here. Says an awful lot about you though, and none of it good.

Loz x

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I googled Abaddon and lo and behold he exists, he is in the bible and he is King of the Demons and is referred to as presiding over Sheol. Amazing that there is hardly a day goes by that I don't learn something new.

I find this all very fascinating. It still seems to be a bit symbolic but I haven't read enough about it yet to jump to that conclusion.

I could only find two references to the son of destruction:

John 17:12 (NWT): When I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me; and I have kept them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled.

This appears to be in reference to Judas Iscariot in this verse. The "them" in this verse is referring to vs. 6 "to the men you gave me out of the world."
NIV says "doomed to destruction"
KJV says "son of perdition"
G5207 - hyiós - means: properly, a son (by birth or adoption); (figuratively) anyone sharing the same nature as their Father


2 Thess 2:3 (NWT): Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

This is in reference to the "man of lawlessness", or "man of sin" (KJV)
Same as above:
NIV says "doomed to destruction"
KJV says "son of perdition"

I don't see either of these referring to the Adversary. Can you please explain what you mean by this?

Who is the Adversary?

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It was CNN interpreting him on the plane home. And the internet news sites. That's all!
But it made a whole lotta gay people happy I saw as they picketed in support of him.
And been doing some reading and I promise you they are NOT ANTI-catholic sites. They are pretty proud of their religion.
Justmom

Satan/the devil...


Peace,
tammy

Is Satan proactive or reactive or nonactive in the world?

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