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Oh the personification of Death is nothing new, every culture has that.
I am just surprised that you believe that death existed BEFORE The Word of God (Jaheshua) through which ALL was created.
That's all.

Again, spot on, Paul!

Agreed, the personification of Death is nothing new.

It's just so surprising to find here as an understanding partially understood, combining the kind of seventeenth-century thinking that placed skulls and bones on old graves and memorial stones, and the mediaeval thinking that showed the great gaping maw of Hell with the skeletal hooded figure of Death hooking anguished people in with his scythe...there is one on a chapel window in a particular ancient building not three miles from here, dating back, I believe, to the twelfth or thirteenth century, combining all that with partially understood Jewish theology. Death personified as a fearsome figure harvesting souls has been portrayed in literature and artwork as far back in time as the Neolithic period...and no, that isn't somehow what one would expect to find on a way out Christian site, where audible voice-to-voice communication is both claimed and encouraged.

It's just surprising, as you say.

The darkness existed before the Light, dear one (peace!). The darkness wasn't created... and so, did not come through the Word. The Light was brought forth... to CONQUER the darkness. Without life... there is death. So, until the Life came forth from the Father, there was Death. Death had NO power over the Father, though, and so wasn't a threat. It wasn't until the Son... Light... came forth... that Death became a threat. Hence, JAH put a division between the two - so that the darkness could not harm the Light... until the Light was fully trained and strengthened... so as to be ABLE to conquer the darkness.

You don't need to take my word for it, dear, dear Paul. You know this.

I hope this helps and, as always, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Char,

I have been directed by spirit to ask you then as regards to Death as a " being"....

Who or what is New Jeruselum?

Revelation 21

Think city...

Foundations
Pillars
Stones
Gates
Temple

Who are these people?
Justmom

Wow. I bet you have.

I've heard things like that before.

No way will I engage with the spirit talking to you, in your words, by your own admission, directing you.

Absolutely no way.

Yes, but you seem to be implying that the personification of darkness/death existed before the divine Logos.
And now you are saying that darkness/death wasn't created, which implies that it was in existence as God is.

I hear you, dear P (peace!). My understanding is that everything that was CREATED came through Christ, the Word/Logos. Darkness (death) was not created, but like Life (JAH) was there. He is IN JAH... just as Sarah, Hagar, their wombs, the world of the dead, etc., are all IN JAH... and that it was the SON who came OUT (forth from) JAH. You do see where the Light was "said" to "be"... yet, the darkness was already in existence, yes?

Please... don't take my word but ask for yourself. Then share what YOU receive. That way, I'm not (falsely) accused of (trying to) mislead you... and you are not accused of "following" me? I think that's best for ALL, yes?

Peace, my dear brother!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

JUST as I hit "submit", our Lord said to me, dear P (peace, luv!):

"Did death come through ME, then, child? How can that be - I am the LIFE. I don't bring forth death, but life. How, then, could death have come THROUGH me?"

I am sure you remember that Death entered THIS world... through Adham. How, though, did he enter the SPIRIT realm? Through Christ... as is suggested by all CREATION coming through that One?

No, dear one: Death didn't enter the spirit realm - he was always there... as was EVERYTHING that was "in" the Ark. IN... JAH.

I hope this helps!

YSFS of Christ,

Shel

Char ...what is your fear? That possibly you just dont know the answer. "'Perfect love casts fear aside."

Death is a being / person/ a spirit.

New Jeruselum is a city that are beings/ people/ in spirit.

Can't build a physical city in heaven. It is a spiritual entity out of people. People being pillars, stones, foundations, gates. How can that be? A gate, a person?
The same way death can be an entity.

Just asking nothing to fear
Love to you Justmom

Well! A reasonable person might well think that death is actually the process of dying, the moment when breath leaves the body. Anyone who has sat with a dying person knows that.

Well! Again! So you've started the Shelby/Tammy habit of, when desperate and feeling trapped and hemmed in by a dose of common sense, resorting to a quick accusation wildly flung, sometimes in the form of a question that you ask and then answer yourself. Your question to me was why wasn't I answering? And then another, just like Shelby does, of another wild question, but with no truthful or reasonable link to the first one. An old trick of JW's and others when on their back foot.

In this case your supplementary and illogical question to me, was to ask why I was afraid to answer?! And since to make your oh-so-clever...not! reply making a further illogical statement of your own, designed to make the reader think that I was full of fear...the corollary being that you think you are proving to any who read that look! Chariklo's afraid! She doesn't know Christ...because of course you have to think that now that Shelby has pronounced that I don't in at least two posts.

Sad. Pathetic. Schoolyard behaviour. Did it not occur to you that some people actually have a life and do other things?

Again, you are a muddled old thing, not as skilled at giving vent to spite as Shelby is. Stop trying to play Shelby's games, justmom. You don't have that tell-tale streak of malice. You let yourself down.

Odd. When someone asks me a question... I just... answer it. If it was rhetorical and wrong... well, answering it will show that to the person questioning and anyone reading.

Because Char, you are doing in your post above the VERY thing that you are accusing JM (and Shelby, and me, by extension) of doing to you.

Telling her what she is doing and why she is doing it.

Can you see that?

Peace,
tammy

In this case your supplementary and illogical question to me, was to ask why I was afraid to answer?! And since to make your oh-so-clever...not! reply making a further illogical statement of your own, designed to make the reader think that I was full of fear...the corollary being that you think you are proving to any who read that look! Chariklo's afraid! She doesn't know Christ...because of course you have to think that now that Shelby has pronounced that I don't in at least two posts.



No Char, I wasn't actually. I was very serious and thought that you might not have any problem sharing your understanding from Holy Spirit. If you test it and disagree, then offer what truth you have.
We don't have to agree but at least share.

But I must add that the issue you have with with my statement and what you thought I was portraying is sorta like the same comment trying to insinuate to everyone here that Shelby is
" shutting up the kingdom of heaven." Where did that come from? And who are you trying to convince of that?

But it's okay. No need to worry about addressing the question, just wanted to share what was given me to reason with.

Love Justmom

Yes, that is the result of the what Death reaps. The process of dying.

Just as the result of Life which is CHRIST giving Holy Spirit, is the process of a new life. The real life!

Love justmom

Yes... the same as such "reasonable" person might also think that life is actually the process of living. And truth is actually the state of being without falsehood. And a word is something you speak, read, or write. And the light is something that emits from a lamp, lantern, flashlight, bulb, candle, sun, star, moon... And a door would be something connected to a building. And a rock/stone is something you might in the ground. And a tree/vine is something you might find growing out of the ground. And a temple is a building. And a house is a building. And a bride is a human person (woman). And a city is an urban setting. And a pillar is a column in/on a building. And a harlot is a wanton human woman. And mothers are human women. And women are human females. And wisdom is something one possesses as a quality and faculty, not is... and builds. And so on and so on...

And yet:

"I am the... life."

"I am the... truth..."

"The Word was with God..."

"The Word became flesh..."

"I am the light..."

"I am the door..."

"I am the true vine..."

"You are the temple of God..."

"Christ, who is the rock-mass..."

"I am laying in Zion a stone..."

"Your are living stones... "

"You are... being built up into a spiritual house..."

"I will make him a pillar..."

"I saw a woman arrayed with the sun..."

"The Mother of the Harlots..."

"Jerusalem Above and she is our mother..."

"They did not defile themselves with women..."

"I wisdom have resided with shrewdness..."

"True wisdom has built it house..."


And so on and so on. Indeed, the SAME way a reasonable person might think a/the "church"... is that little white building with tall steeple on top and rows of pews inside down the street. Yet... even YOU recognize that the church... is PEOPLE. As are all of these other things. Including Death. Some are human people, but most are spirit(ual) people.



No, no, luv. That's you. That's what YOU do. Consistently. We can almost bank on it.

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Yes. And, of course, you've gone off on another nonsensical tirade so as to skirt, deflect, change the topic... anything BUT answer. But the only person you're fooling by doing that... is yourself.



No, the only one on their "back foot" AND using "JW" tricks HERE... is you, dear Char. And it's SO obvious, it almost hurts to watch. But, I guess that means we can say you did learn SOMETHING from them. For example, when you cannot respond to the question asked, make an excuse to run off, saying you'll answer at another time... or change the topic... or get offended. That is their way... and you have learned it quite well. Would that you had paid attention and learned some Bible stuff, too, though. Because then we probably wouldn't (1) disagree SO much and (2) you would take offense at SO much.



All of that rhetoric... yet, you seem to have forgotten to answer the question. Or did you... forget?



Of course it occurs to us. That you keep coming and commenting here as you do, though, lends itself to the possibility that you might not be among them. I mean, I surely cannot see myself spending so much time somewhere I did not WANT to be... or could not be... because it just wasn't that important to me. Virtually all of us work secularly, in some one way or another, so I am sure not only have a life... but DO do other things, yes. Even so, sharing what we do HERE... the good news about Christ and what we receive from HIM... is and should be the primary work for some us, though... right?



Char, I am not sure what "game" you're playing now, but it's quite unkind and mean. Without a doubt... and borders on malice. May I remind you of the forum rules as to such? I don't think it's anything to suggest banning for (nor do I want to make that suggestion; I actually consider you quite harmless...), but it really makes you appear as a sour, beaten old lady. I know dear 'Mom (peace!)... and she isn't anywhere near old. Please don't ask me to ask just where YOU are on the age plane. Although, perhaps your answer might make a LOT of things clear(er).



Oh, quit trying to cover up your ineptitude by taking out your frustration on dear 'Mom, Char. Pick on someone (you believe to be) your own "size." Your beef is with me... so direct your blows here. Otherwise, others will see you as the nasty piece of work you keep showing yourself to be (which I saw when you not only wouldn't stop your attacks on dear Loz, but turned on me for simply asking you about it, then on dear tec for corroborating). Stick to the issues, including the questions you are asked... as you call for us to stick those YOU ask.

And I have absolutely no malice toward you, at all. Neither you, your beliefs, or your loyalty to the RCC pose a threat to me, MY faith or MY beliefs. The ONLY one in danger... is you. But you have nothing to fear from ME - I am not the one going where YOU are to oppose YOU. I am right here, on my own little forum... keeping to the purpose OF this little forum: being FOR Christ. And in being here, I don't have any fears that you or others like you are going to bring me/us "down"... OR change anyone's faith. Why? If someone TRULY belongs to Christ... such one HEARS HIS VOICE. If not now, at some point, they will. How do I KNOW? Because the Christ I put MY faith in... SAID, "MY sheep HEAR my voice."

Now, unlike YOU... I do have faith in that One's words, whether those that are written... or those he speaks literally. So, I have absolutely NO worries that folks... perhaps like you... are going to be able to undermine HIM. He doesn't lose ONE, dear one... except, perhaps, the son OF Destruction (oh, ohh, wait... ooh, a SON! Destruction has a SON? But then, wouldn't that mean... Destruction is a... wait for it... father?? But, but, but... how can THAT be? Fathers... are... PEOPLE. Right. OMG... Destruction isn't a PERSON... IS he? Or.. IS he?)

Check your heart, dear Char... because it appears to be getting darker... and darker. Doesn't need to, though. All you need do is shine LITTLE... Light... on it. Push past your fear, dear one... and do it. Shine that Light... and LOOK! You might be surprised what you might "see". Better YOU see it, though... FIRST... so as to put some clothing on it... than for others to see and go "Oooh... look at HER nakedness!" Trust me. It's just better.

My wish for peace for you remains.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Yes... the same as such "reasonable" person might also think that life is actually the process of living. And truth is actually the state of being without falsehood. And a word is something you speak, read, or write. And the light is something that emits from a lamp, lantern, flashlight, bulb, candle, sun, star, moon... And a door would be something connected to a building. And a rock/stone is something you might in the ground. And a tree/vine is something you might find growing out of the ground. And a temple is a building. And a house is a building. And a bride is a human person (woman). And a city is an urban setting. And a pillar is a column in/on a building. And a harlot is a wanton human woman. And mothers are human women. And women are human females. And wisdom is something one possesses as a quality and faculty, not is... and builds. And so on and so on...

And yet:

"I am the... life."

"I am the... truth..."

"The Word was with God..."

"The Word became flesh..."

"I am the light..."

"I am the door..."

"I am the true vine..."

"You are the temple of God..."

"Christ, who is the rock-mass..."

"I am laying in Zion a stone..."

"Your are living stones... "

"You are... being built up into a spiritual house..."

"I will make him a pillar..."

"I saw a woman arrayed with the sun..."

"The Mother of the Harlots..."

"Jerusalem Above and she is our mother..."

"They did not defile themselves with women..."

"I wisdom have resided with shrewdness..."

"True wisdom has built it house..."


And so on and so on. Indeed, the SAME way a reasonable person might think a/the "church"... is that little white building with tall steeple on top and rows of pews inside down the street. Yet... even YOU recognize that the church... is PEOPLE. As are all of these other things. Including Death. Some are human people, but most are spirit(ual) people.


All I can say to this is......

JAH and CHRIST are absolutely AND so positively WONDERFUL!!!!!

Thank you so much for sharing my sister.
Love to you all
Justmom