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*grabs a piece of cornbreadand; eyes the shotbread cookies*

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10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.


6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

42 And many believed on him there.


Now that you mention it, I remember that.

I do not put God in a box and I do not define Him for others. That only leads to trouble.


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Shortbread cookies?? Someone brought shortbread cookies?? WHERE?? I LOVE shortbread cookies ('specially the ones with blackberry, strawberry, or peach jam... or pecan "sandies"... or... or... jus' plain ol' shortbread, chile! Gimme 'em!

Oh, uh, piece!

SA, trying to look calm and "cool", but actually drooling and looking frantically 'round the board... on her own...


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Shelby,

Peace to you my sister. I think you have a good point about the voice.

I tend to use feelings as a description even when it may be a voice, and I think that perhaps that may be a mistake on my part. For me I have both, and when trying to describe it tend to interchange the two. This may be a habit I have picked up due to the fact that perhaps I try to tone things down and make them more relatable to others.

I agree the voice is definately seperate. However he communicates to me in other ways than just a voice, I tend to label these a 'feeling' only for the fact in that they do not always contain words, and yet I completely 'get' the message. I do wonder sometimes that he does this when he doesn't feel like having a long discussion about it. hahaha perhaps in a way that a parent says 'just do it'. He also knows I communicate and understand better when things are taught to me a different way. Me and language I think sometimes don't get along so well and I struggle to use it. I sometimes feel like it is a 'second' language that you stumble through so that you can relate to those around you, but never feels natural.

I believe he can bond with us in many ways, and if someone attaches to him and it doesn't happen to be a voice and yet they 'feel' his prescense anyway, they should not feel bad about it. Not that all things are not possible, perhaps sometime he may use a voice too.

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I don't hear a literal voice anymore, though initially I did (outside my body) but since I am losing my hearing perhaps Yaheshua decided it was time to move "indoors"?
This voice for me isn't so much a literal voice, but rather as if I was reading words on a page to myself and reading those words in a voice not my own. This voice is very soft and sometimes difficult to hear over the Adversary who is quite LOUD. I realized why this is so. Having a soft voice forces me to listen closely and really pay attention, whereas the Adversary is loud enough for people across the room to hear (I sometimes think). I have to concentrate very hard sometimes to hear what is being said because of all the noise the Adversary (Satan) is making. For me it's like being in a noisy room with a loudmouth and a soft spoken person. Really then who's message is more important? The loudmouth or the person who refuses to raise their voice and makes me listen all the more harder to comprehend what is being said? It makes sense in a Master to pupil relationship (obviously Yaheshua deals with each one of us differently) so no two experiences will be exactly the same.
When dealing with people I sometimes get a glimpse of what ails them, perhaps a quick image or a feeling. If it's someone I should talk with I get the message "Go to them" or if it's a preacher talking nonsense I get the message to "speak to them with kindness and put them back on the narrow road". I don't get these messages literally all the time, but sometimes a hint of disapproval and the appropriate scriptures to back up what needs to be said. If need be some personal information about the person that is not known by anyone is given over, only on the condition that I share it with that person so they will know where I am getting my information from. This is rare but has happened and has caused more than a few wide eyed stares or uneasy looks in my direction. I suppose some might even think I was in league with someone other than Yaheshua, but the Adversary would not want someone to worship/serve Yaheshua the correct way now would they?

Sometimes I have dreams about future events and these dreams are usually very cryptic, meant only to show me at a later time that I am on the right course. It's kinda like those Awake magazine puzzles that featured small clips from a bigger picture that you could only figure out if you read and look over the entire magazine. So I get flashes of imagery, sometimes while awake (no pun intended) of future events. places, people and weeks, months or years later I will get a "de ja vu" and recall the dream, realizing that despite any doubts on my part, that I am on the correct course.

Doubt is a terrible thing to feel. This first started happening to me when I was 24 years old (I'm now 42) and all I could think was "It's the Devil" (kinda like in the movie "Little Nicky"). I prayed about it constantly, so sure that I was being demonized or possesses, but I never made the accusation that was what it actually was. In other words I stopped short of blaspheming because the though from the voice was "what if it's not from Satan and you make the accusation that it is?" I realized I was teetering on the edge of a cliff with that thought and decided to calm down. Without going into a lot of detail and making a long drawn out post I'll simply say that I eventually figured out several things (though it took a few years). For starters the WTBTS was wrong about the heavenly calling because it's Yahveh's business as to whom he calls, how old they are, how long they've been Christians is largely irrelevant because Yahveh sees the inside of a person, not the outside as we see it and makes his choice based upon that. I also started to see Bible verses in a whole new way and started to discern that the WTBTS was wrong about many teachings and despite what was said from the platform and for long time witnesses, the WTBTS were and are False Prophets, possibly even the one mentioned in Revelation (based simply on the fact that no other religion deals in prophecy or attempts to foretell Armageddon as much as they do).
Suffice to say it has been a hard road but I am learning more and more to trust that inner voice and to listen intently when it speaks. It seems very odd at times because I will get a piece of advice as to what I might need on a particular morning when going out (I'm homeless by the way) and what I need to take with me or get from my storage. It's always right. It seems a little odd that the Holy Spirit would be giving me this sort of advice but I suppose it's for my protection. Sorta like Shelby's story about how a friend would hurt her and later cut her palm.

It seems so overwhelming sometimes that Yahveh or Yaheshua would take the time to even notice a lowly creature such as myself who is so undeserving of any type of notice, yet so much evidence to the contrary that it's very humbling and a little scary at times. It's a huge responsibility and one I worry about constantly as to whether I will be able to carry out to it's completion. I feel like Moses must have felt when Yahveh told him to go speak to Pharaoh. I just don't feel qualified or up to snuff for such an important task.

However IF it were just me, then yeah I would fail. But it's not just me. I have Yahveh of armies on my side and his Beloved son Yaheshua guiding my steps by the fine example he left for all of us.

May the undeserved kindness of our Lord be upon you.

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I hear what you are saying Morgan. I also agree that He speaks quietly, and that we have to stop and listen, and so miss less than what we would if we were listening to the 'loud' voices of others. Because those are all for show... you are supposed to pay attention to how loud that is (or how extravagant, or boisterous, or whatever); anything other than what is actually being said. But with Christ, you listen to what He is actually saying.

I found it interesting that as you were losing your hearing, His voice became internal.

I wanted to say that I relate to the following sentence:

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However IF it were just me, then yeah I would fail. But it's not just me. I have Yahveh of armies on my side and his Beloved son Yaheshua guiding my steps by the fine example he left for all of us

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I tend to label these a 'feeling' only for the fact in that they do not always contain words, and yet I completely 'get' the message.

I understand exactly what you mean, dear LeAnn (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!)... and while it may not be with "words"... it IS still a voice. The writer of Hebrews actually describes it thus:

"For ​YOU​ have not approached that which can be felt and which has been set aflame with fire, and a dark cloud and thick darkness and a tempest, and the blare of a trumpet and the voice of words; on hearing which voice the people implored that no word should be added to them. For the command was not bearable to them: “And if a beast touches the mountain, it must be stoned.” Also, the display was so fearsome that Moses said: “I am fearful and trembling.” But ​YOU​ have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, and [Jesus] the mediator of a new covenant, and the blood of sprinkling, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s [blood]. See that ​YOU​ do not beg off from him who is speaking. " Hebrews 12:18-25

What this is saying is that while the speech may not be with WORDS... it is still SPEECH, and thus a VOICE... because the blood SPEAKS. That is what some of you are interpreting as a "feeling": his blood "speaking" to your blood... so that it seems to be occurring in the deepest part of you. Since it isn't done with WORDS... there is an assumption that there isn't necessarily a voice.

Abel's blood "cried out". Thus, it spoke in a voice, with words. Once combined with holy spirit, however, OUR blood can "speak"... in a BETTER way... one that doesn't necessarily require words but still has a VOICE! (Romans 8:26, 27)

Because the blood speaks, dear ones. And what you "feel" is HIS blood "speaking" to YOUR blood, even in your bones (where the spirit lives!). If you can grasp the truth of that, you will learn how to "listen" even better!

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you all!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

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Do You Want To Know If You Are Hearing From God?

Let me personally tell you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQm01vPN ... ature=plcp

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Shelby,

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What this is saying is that while the speech may not be with WORDS... it is still SPEECH, and thus a VOICE... because the blood SPEAKS. That is what some of you are interpreting as a "feeling": his blood "speaking" to your blood... so that it seems to be occurring in the deepest part of you. Since it isn't done with WORDS... there is an assumption that there isn't necessarily a voice


Sis, thank you so much for describing it perfectly. What you just said, explains some images and experiences I had that until now had not been tied together.

Much love to you.


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Yes, that was very well said!

I feel/hear that too. You once described it as something that you know... even deep in your bones. I was 'YES' when I heard that, because that was a great description.

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As his servant and thus yours, I am grateful to YOU, my dear, dear sisters (the greatest of love and peace to you, both!)... and to our dear Lord... that YOU (and others) have "ears"... such that YOU could "hear" and get the sense of what I've shared with you on this matter... and many others!

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

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Let me personally tell you....

First, let me PLEASE say that that... was WONDERFUL, dear VDH (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!). Praise JAH for such truths and that, through His Son, our dear Lord, the Holy One of Israel, He has allowed you to share such with us! My spirit bore witness with virtually all of it; however, in the spirit of that given to dear Priscilla and Aquila, who expounded some things about our Lord "more accurately" to dear Apollos (a man filled with spirit but not yet acquainted with things that had been already given to Priscilla/Aquila), I must expound on two things you mentioned:

1. The "written" word of God - dear ones... the ONLY written word of God was the Law/Moses, the Psalms, the Prophets, and the Revelation. Because those are the only writings He directly commissioned to be written. True, there are other writings (both in the Bible and not) that ones felt compelled to write. Including here: the Spirit is what moves me to share much of what I do with you dear ones... in writing. But I've asked our Lord and what we share is not "scripture"... in the sense that it is not part of the "Writings" that our Lord himself referred to. To call the Bible the "written Word of God", then, does a couple/few things:

a. It NEGATES the TRUE Word of God... Christ... who fulfilled the written word, so that it was hung on the pole with him;

b. It entices people to look to the Bible... rather than look to Christ... the TRUTH (John14:6)... FOR truth. Indeed, what is written... even in the Bible... MUST comport with HIM... and if it does not it is not "from" God nor God's "word". It cannot be. And the Bible contains MUCH that doesn't comport with Christ... which is why Christ himself chastised the scribes ("Woe, to YOU... scribes!"): they had fulfilled Jeremiah's prophecy (Jeremiah 8:8). If we look to the Bible to validate what we hear from him... rather than look to HIM to validate what we read in the Bible... we are still lacking faith... and doing things BACKWARD.

c. To continue referring to the Bible, indeed even considering it "God's word" is an invalidation not only Jeremiah's prophecy (thus, making him a FALSE prophet - never be that the case!), but our Lord's own words ABOUT the "works" of the scribes AND that we should come to HIM... versus "searching the scriptures." John 5:39, 40 In addition, we are also negating what the Bible itself states ABOUT that Word and who and what it is:

"... the Word became flesh and resided among us"... John 1:14

Notice, it does not say the Word "became [canonized in] a book."

"Sanctify them by means of your word." John 17:17

"Hence [Jesus] also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered outside the gate." Hebrews 13:12

Notice, it says that Christ sanctifies, by means of his blood. The Bible cannot do that. Thus, Christ is the word that sanctifies us.

"Your word is truth." John 17:17

"I am... the truth. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

"... he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God." Revelation 19:13

John 14:6 was a very powerful verse for me. I remember when I first FULLY understood what that meant... because I received my "sealing" directly after receiving that understanding. It was February of 1998 and I was reading a WTBTS "Question" (in the spot in the magazine where "Questions from Readers" was normally printed) that asked, "What is the truth that sets us free?" The WTBTS answer was, "It is the truth contained in God's Holy Word, the Bible." Okay, no problem, right? Or...

At that moment I heard my Lord's voice, loud and clear, say to me, "I am the the truth that will set you free, child!" OMG... I began to yell and scream and jump around! OMG! OMG! I immediately understood: CHRIST IS THE TRUTH that sets us free... NOT THE BIBLE! And HE is the WORD of God... NOT THE BIBLE! I immediately shared that with those who were present who were asking me, "What?! What?! What's going on with you?!!"

After telling them what I heard I sat back down to read but for some reason was compelled to raise eyes and when I did I could see in the distance a very bright "light" coming at me at great speed. It came and "smacked" me in the center of my forehead (pretty powerfully, too, because I remember feeling the pressure and being kind of thrown back!)... and left a "mark" there (which I can see even still). I knew it was a sealing and the imprint of a "new" name... because the "voice" told me it was.

Because someone among us at the time didn't really believe what I had told them, we were later directed to read the words at John 8:32, which state:

"​YOU​ will know the truth, and the truth will set ​YOU​ free.”

So, okay, we've read THAT verse many times and have heard its meaning: that knowing the truth will set us free. We got that. Or did we? No, we didn't... because we were directed to read further, and did. We read John 8:36, which states:

"Therefore, IF THE SON SETS YOU FREE, you will actually BE free."

O... M... G. So, it's only by the Son that we can be set free so as to the actually BE free??! Major revelation, dear one; major. And since we now knew that the Son, and NOT the Bible, was the Truth... AND the only means to set us free... we went on to ask as to the Bible and whether it is God's word. It was then that we were shown what "scripture" is:

"Now as they were conversing and discussing, [Jesus] himself approached and began walking with them; but their eyes were kept from recognizing him. He said to them: “What are these matters that ​YOU​ are debating between yourselves as ​YOU​ walk along?” And they stood still with sad faces. In answer the one named Cle′o‧pas said to him: “Are you dwelling as an alien by yourself in Jerusalem and so do not know the things that have occurred in her in these days?” And he said to them: “What things?” They said to him: “The things concerning [Jesus] the Naz‧a‧rene′, who became a prophet powerful in work and word before God and all the people; and how our chief priests and rulers handed him over to the sentence of death and impaled him. But we were hoping that this [man] was the one destined to deliver Israel; yes, and besides all these things, this makes the third day since these things occurred. Moreover, certain women from among us also astonished us, because they had been early to the memorial tomb but did not find his body and they came saying they had also seen a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive. Further, some of those with us went off to the memorial tomb; and they found it so, just as the women had said, but they did not see him.”

"So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe on all the things the prophets spoke! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” And commencing at Moses and all the Prophets[i] he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the [i]Scriptures." Luke 24:15-27

"And as he was reclining with them at the meal he took the loaf, blessed it, broke it and began to hand it to them. At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; and he disappeared from them. And they said to each other: “Were not our hearts burning as he was speaking to us on the road, as he was fully opening up the Scriptures to us?” Luke 24:30-32

"He now said to them: “These are my words which I spoke to ​YOU​ while I was yet with ​YOU, that all the things written in the law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms about me must be fulfilled.” Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures...
" Luke 24:44, 45


2. Your comment regarding us attaining to a "standard of holiness" is an error, dear one - WE... can NEVER... attain to a standard of holiness. Hence, it is our Lord's BLOOD that gives us that "standard." Holiness means cleanness... and we are unclean. Except to the extent we have washed in the blood of the Lamb. HE, then, makes up our deficit - "stands in the gap", to coin a phrase... BETWEEN us and the Most Holy One of Israel. We WILL sin. Again... and again... and again. (1 John 1:8-2:2). While our Lord's blood covers all sins (except blasphemy against holy spirit)... it does not cover all of sins ONCE - like Israel, we must drink from the rock-mass (that is Christ - 1 Corinthians 10:1-5) DAILY. We must observe the "constant feature" that is the sacrifice of Christ DAILY... because we sin... daily.

Now, his blood can COVER those sins... daily... or even if we miss a day, he covers us when we "return" to eating from "the Tree of Life" (Genesis 3:22), because the "leaves" of that Tree... HIS flesh... is for our "curing." Israel AND the nations.

But we need HIM... and his leaves and "water"... so as to have a "standing" of holiness, to have righteousness attributed to us by means of his blood and not because we ourselves have attained to it. We can't, so long as we are in the vessels of flesh that we are. As our enemy, it won't let us. Yes, we will conquer from time to time... but after awhile we will find ourselves right back where we started... and needing him to atone. That is why Israel wandered in the wilderness... in circles... coming right back to where they started over and over again: because they didn't GET that they needed HIM... in order to get where they were going!

If we think we can attain a standard of holiness... we are fooling ourselves. Only One attained that standard... and because of him we can have righteous attributed to us... UNTIL we can attain to it: once we've put off flesh with its blood... and put on flesh with HIS blood: the WHITE "robe."

That, dear one, is the very reason why we NEED him: to make up OUR deficit before God. To bridge the gap between us and God, something we can NEVER do alone. Unless we attain to God's standard of holiness. Which WE... cannot do.

Praise JAH, though... He has provided a MEDIATOR and High Priest who CAN!

I hope this helps! Again, your video was awesome and I look forward to viewing the others.

Peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA


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Shelby,

I too had asked to know Truth. I didn't know what way to turn after being shown that JW were in fact false. I said I would follow wherever he wanted me too if he would just let me know The truth. Little did I fully realize that the Truth was my lord. When he showed me such I was overwhelmed with unworthiness, and yet grateful that he want little sinful me to belong to him.

During that time many significant understandings were given to me that to be honest I thought were a mental breakdown, those around me felt I had lost my mind. It was shortly after I had what I would call being awoken, that I had felt a huge compulsion to paint a picture. The feeling inside built up and out came a picture of blood and fire. The very same sensation that created that picture is where I feel much of what he says to me.

Much love my sister.


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I was overwhelmed with unworthiness, and yet grateful that he want little sinful me to belong to him.


I well know the "feeling," my dear sister (peace to you!) - LOLOL!

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During that time many significant understandings were given to me... those around me felt I had lost my mind.


(Smile) And I can certainly identify with THAT, even now, depending on who's weighing in (i.e., the "usual suspects") - LOLOLOL!

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I had felt a huge compulsion to paint a picture... blood and fire.


Do you know what that picture depicted, dear one? If so, can you share that with us? If not, I am permitted to share with you...

Peace, dear LeAnn... and your household (how's dear J doing?)!

YSSFS of Christ,

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As I understand it was a representation of his blood and spirit combining to dwell in me. It would now burn within me, like a lamp with oil.

Please share with me what you are permitted to share, my sister.


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LEANN SAID

Jacque is doing wonderful. She has such faith and never hesitates to talk to our lord and listen.. truely faith is seen through the eyes of a child.

Much Love
LeAnn


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