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PSACRAMENTO SAID

The RCC and most protestant religions accept that there are 7 arch angels.
These are angles that have a special place with God.
While only 3 are (typically) named: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, 7 are still accepted.
While the names tend to be different, Uriel is also mentioned at times, the reason that the RCC, for example, names Raphael is because his name appears in the RCC canonical book, The Book of Tobit which is also considered canon in the Anglican and Orthodox religions.

I won't be mentioning 1Enoch because most don't know enough about it and it is regarded as canonical only in the Ethiopian and Eritrean church.
To note, Jude does quote from 1Enoch, the book of the watchers.

To some the arch angels are also the seven spirits that are in front of God in Revelations:

Revelation 1:4 - John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Revelation 3:1 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Revelation 4:5 - And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

And perhaps most directly:
Revelation 8:2
And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them

Of course the JW's will note that only Michael is called "archangel" but they forget that, according to Daniel, Michael is ONE of the "chief princes".

I recall our beloved Shelby (peace to you my dear sister) mentioned that the archangels were 2, the two angels on the arc of the covenant and that they were Michael and his counter-part Lucifer, (forgive me if I am mistaken on that Shel).

Thoughts?

YPPUPLLEH SAID

*eats popcorn and waits*
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

WILLIAM SAID

*pops up a fresh batch*

**has a vague recollectionl being taught of the demon's seven points of entry on the human body and wonders if there could be a connection**

***makes another batch of popcorn***
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When you get to a fork in the road, Take it. ~Yogi Bera

AGUEST SAID

I posted a response, dear P (the greatest of love and peace to you)... then accidentally deleted it. I will try and repost it again, later. In case it takes awhile, though (I am trying to process some recent very bad news) the gist was that there are 7 "princes", yes, who have been given "principalities"... or territories in the physical realm... all of whom have angels under them... two of which are also "arkangels". I will elaborate later.

Peace to you all!

A [very saddened] slave of Christ, right now...

SA

AGUEST SAID

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:55 am Post subject:
Sorry for the delay, dear P (the greatest of love and peace to you!).

I am bummed out because, again, I had typed on a very comprehensive post on this... and then accidentally deleted it. And I just don't have it in me to do it again, right now. To summarize, though (and I'm sure you're all glad I am - LOLOL!), here is my understanding:

While there are many cherubs... including (but not limited to), the two of the ark, the two guarding the garden, the four living creatures, those four that are situated within the wheels of the Most Holy One of Israel's "chariot", the one that leads that chariot, the seven (besides MischaJah'El) who are stated to have voices like trumpets, those that pour out bowls, the 7 of the "seven congregations"... and many, MANY others... there are only TWO cherubs... angels... of the ark... both of whom are "chief" angels, such that they command/lead OTHER angels:

"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought..." Revelation 12:7

I realize that there is more on this from others but what our Lord has explained to me is that many have confused with "archangels"... because of the responsibilities given these... with what is actually a CHERUB (an angel with great responsibilities and foremost places in the assembly - not all angels are cherubs). The word "cherub" (well, in English) is what denotes high rank and responsibility... even a "chief" position of sorts.

Others (the RCC, Eastern Orthodox, Islam, Judaism, etc.) state there are 7 or so "archangels" but this really isn't accurate. There are, again, many cherubs of great responsibility and so, in that light, there are MANY "archangels." But that really isn't an accurate rendition of the word. If we want to be ACCURATE, there are two angels of the ark... and these two were the HIGHEST ranking of cherubs... and thus, accurately called "chief"... or "arch" angels. When speaking of "arkangels," then, our Lord refers to MischaJah'El (Michael) and Beli'Jah'El (Belial, the one called "Satan" and "Devil").

When speaking of the OTHER angels of great responsibility, then, they are "cherubs" (kĕruwb). Together, these are "cherubim", and have the foremost place among ANGELS... spirit beings... in the assembly (Job 1:6; 2:1). It was one of these (our Adversary) that had led the rebellion in the spirit realm.

An angel is not necessarily a cherub (or Nephi, or of the ark); however, all of these... cherubs, nephi, and the two of the ark... are angels... and seraphs.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

PSACRAMENTO

I hope things are better now Shel, you are in my prayers.
My our lord strengthen you always.
Bad news always sucks.

On topic.
Question, why would God have put Satan on the arc ??
Michael I can understand.
Was it as a symbol of "conflict" over the arc? was it symbolize their fight over the arc? is that why they face each other as if in combat?